I don't think I saw anything but with the ease at which they spend the money it probably is true.
OT: Phil Mickelson
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Not a fan of LIV but think this is wrong.
should just have Norman make a statement that he will not talk or answer questions about LIV and is only there to celebrate the Open. Maybe they did and Greg refused or can’t accept under those terms of his contract. Who knows?
should just have Norman make a statement that he will not talk or answer questions about LIV and is only there to celebrate the Open. Maybe they did and Greg refused or can’t accept under those terms of his contract. Who knows?
First of all, not sure so many elite players is accurate. Second, no one was confused why they jumped. Well, maybe the players that jumped seem confused. $$$$$$$
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He is a good wingman.
Pat Perez is walking on sunshine. The reason he got a big deal from LIV is because DJ wanted him on his team.
He is a good wingman.
Perez absolutely can be douchey. He also can be funny with his dry wit but yeah, he carries a douche vibe.
As for Norman, he's a snake and I wouldn't trust him at all in any of this. Not that the PGA execs are spitballing truthes all the time either. But Norman is someone you shouldn't trust. At the first event, a fairly prominent reporter was tossed from the interview tent. He reached out to Norman who said he didn't know anything about it and that he'd look into it. Someone then sent the reporter a picture showing Norman standing behind the reporter watching security toss the guy.
Norman has no shame and there's nothing he won't do for a buck. So maybe the R&A is overreacting here or maybe the R&A, rightfully, doesn't trust Norman to behave if he were to show up.
As for Norman, he's a snake and I wouldn't trust him at all in any of this. Not that the PGA execs are spitballing truthes all the time either. But Norman is someone you shouldn't trust. At the first event, a fairly prominent reporter was tossed from the interview tent. He reached out to Norman who said he didn't know anything about it and that he'd look into it. Someone then sent the reporter a picture showing Norman standing behind the reporter watching security toss the guy.
Norman has no shame and there's nothing he won't do for a buck. So maybe the R&A is overreacting here or maybe the R&A, rightfully, doesn't trust Norman to behave if he were to show up.
Very interesting development. DOJ investigating the PGA for antitrust violations.
Whether they are a monopoly or not, they are desperately trying to act like one.
According to the article they were investigated before in1994 by the Federal Trade Commission in and it seems was for just about the same thing the DOJ is doing now
I wouldn't be surprised in the LIV or a LIV tour player(s) asked the government for this investigation knowing just being investigated would have the general public think the PGA was doing something wrong and that might force the PGA to negotiate a settlement .
I guess the legal question is related to did they/would they allow PGA Tour players to play in LIV events while a member of the PGA Tour. Since the PGA Tour denied their request to play specific events, the players had to leave the PGA Tour and join the LIV. As a result, the PGA Tour suspended them and they can no longer play PGA Tour (and related DP Tour) events (and potentially majors due to the PGA Tour influence). That sounds like the PGA Tour may be acting like a monopoly since being suspended from the PGA Tour may impact their ability to play on other tours/majors.
actually not a monopoly but a business that doesn't allow it's independent contract workers to work for a rival company..and be part of them as well.
A business has no say on where an INDEPENDENT contractor works. Otherwise it would require a W2 and to be an employee of said company.
Not true at all. Independent contractors often can not work for a competitor. I’ve frequently had exclusions in client contracts as an independent contractor.
You were duped... From NY.GOV
The Employer-Employee Relationship
The courts have found that no single factor or group of factors conclusively define an employer-employee relationship. Rather, all factors are reviewed to determine the degree of supervision, direction and control exercised over the services. Generally, an employer controls what will be done, i.e. the manner, means, and results.An employer-employee relationship may exist if you:
- Choose when, where, and how they perform services
- Provide facilities, equipment, tools, and supplies
- Directly supervise the services
- Set the hours of work
- Require exclusive services (An individual cannot work for your competitors while working for you.)
- Set the rate of pay
- Require attendance at meetings and/or training sessions
- Ask for oral or written reports
- Reserve the right to review and approve the work product
- Evaluate job performance
- Require prior permission for absences
- Have the right to hire and fire
BTW, you know those no compete clauses....almost never hold up in a court of law. You can add them all you want but they are not enforceable unless of very limited, clearly defined scope
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Would LIV allow a PGA tour member to play in one of their tournaments? Go play Trump as a one time event and not the others?
Well I live in Florida, you know the state that has a shitload of professional golfers living here. We follow Florida law not NY law. You might want to brush up.
Some people don’t get out much! Lol
When Florida became a state they were very pro business to attract growth. While I admit that Florida employment laws are not the norm nationwide and federal law will likely be what’s relevant in this case, any claim that non-competes are not enforceable in the state wher the PGA tour is headquartered, many tournaments are played including the planned LIV championship and many players on both tours live would be a little short sited.
@wisr01 feel free to find a different source. I only looked for 3 seconds knowing your claim was absolutely untrue in Florida.
but it has a say if they can work for them .
The business has no legal obligation to allow an independent contractor who is helping a competitor work for them along with the competition..
I mean the golfers and Norman can claim anything they like but Mickelson and DJ and Koepka jumped for the massive upfront cash payments. That's it. They can talk about the team aspect, or 54 holes, or whatever but DJ isn't jumping for 54 hole events if there isn't 9 digits of signing bonus money sitting in one of his bank accounts.
And frankly, I don't have a lot of issue with them chasing the money. Crap, it's a ton of money. Even a journeyman like Pat Perez getting $10 million (as rumored) is a big deal so who could criticize them for jumping? That being said, every decision carries consequences. Here, the consequence of jumping to the LIV Tour could result in them not being able to play in PGA/DP Tour events or the majors.
LOL. Organizations that only care about making money blaming the players for taking the money. Sounds just like the NFL owners when guaranteed contracts started to appear. I loved this line:
“We believe it undermines the merit-based culture and spirit of open competition that makes golf so special,”
Just like in business. If you don't adapt, you die. As much as I don't really like the spirit of the LIV, I like that they are giving the finger to the old school tours.
Also, in regards to Tiger's comments, he should talk when right out of college he was given a boatload of cash and publicity. He was set for life. Much easier to focus on only golf if you are not worried about cash.
I guess I don't follow the logic of liking LIV giving the finger to the old tours. What about the old tours bothers you so much? I honestly never really cared or gave much thought to what the tours did. Just give me a half a dozen to dozen interesting events to watch and that's all I cared about. I never once gave much thought to, "Well gee, these poor guys like Mickelson are really getting hosed by the Tour!"
I guess it's more about letting them play where they want to play. As long as they meet their requirements to a specific tour, why block them? The tours think they have all the power & they may for now if the majors block them. However most of the players on the LIV are players that are older, play limited schedules or would never be on the PGA Tour. Why be so strict denying them opportunities?
It was the PGA that gave the finger. All of the LIV players were willing to meet the 15 PGA minimum. You have it 1000% backwards.
Yeah, don’t know how DJ and Brooks were going to find their next meal if they stay on the tour with Tiger money.
You should try to realize by playing in the LIV those independent contractors were boosting that tours image and the PGA wanted to make sure that they wouldn't allow even a PGA part time player to have a chance to use his PGA play to legitimize the LIV and possibly losing sponsors
and other business dealings, and the profit that comes with it , to the LIV because those players were in it.
DeChambeau and Bridgestone part ways. Makes sense as Bridgestone is a key sponsor of the PGA Tour.
I realize that. Maybe you should realize that they are not employees. They are 1099 workers who the PGA says they can't make any other income from any other source without their approval. It is why the DOJ has opened up an investigation on the PGA Tour.
Huh? I wasn't the one who introduced the notion of LIV giving the old tours the finger. It was just peculiar to me that fans seemingly cared enough about the inner workings of the PGA Tour that they take pleasure in whatever LIV is doing.