Amen. I'm not bringing my 5 year old. It's a shame.
We all know that once we get to some competitive conference games the stadium will be rocking like it used to - organically. We don't need the "help" of some god awful PSU DJ.
LOUD "music"
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We all know that once we get to some competitive conference games the stadium will be rocking like it used to - organically. We don't need the "help" of some god awful PSU DJ.
Holy straw man Dorothy. Nobody said that and either you know that or should take to heart "Reading is fundamental".
I have wondered if the prevalence of the shut-the-**** up mindset and the popularity of the ad hominem argument style has led to the death of productive debate in our society. But every time I bring it up somebody attacks me and then tells me to shut-the -**** up. Go figure.
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It’s not really a straw man argument. It’s reality. If you think the music in general is bad I might agree but complaining that at 100 decibels the stadium is too loud then clearly the preference is a sleepy afternoon in the park or a patriot league game.
I haven’t been to a game this year yet but had seasons tickets for awhile and I agree ; the constant loud music is awful and Mickey Mouse like. If you watch big time games ; the band plays most of the time between plays at home games. They are loud enough to be heard on tv and adds to the atmosphere. This is done at every sec venue basically. For some reason we are trying to make this like pro sports which we have enough of around here. Let the game breathe and use the band more.
suggestion: someone check decibel levels and then have a lawyer send a threatening letter somewhere high up on the food chain. That should get some action.
Just look at the student section, full of young folks jumping up and down, dancing, cavorting, etc., to the music. Yeah, I think they like it.
I love loud music and I mostly like the music selections they play; I may be 59, but I've kept up with music and I strongly dislike marching band music, so I'm about 95% behind the music. I do think they could lower the volume just a tad and still have the same level of excitement, as it is hard to talk while the music is playing, but I never felt it was "dangerous" volume, probably because I still go to a lot of rock and roll shows.
Music around 100 dBs is a little less than most people experience at a rock concert or very loud sporting event (just the crowd), but it can still cause some hearing loss if exposed to it over an extended period (over 30 minutes, which usually means continuously, and the music is clearly not continuous). Given other entertainment options have as loud or louder conditions, my guess is that angle won't work, but it's worth a try - probably the best angle is the enjoyment angle.
Actually I think that all we need are enough complaints to our AD
that is happening now
In fact, I would bet that we see a difference next home game
This is my biggest complaint also. We do not need to be "entertained" every second of every game. How come at 90% of concerts, the audience "knows" the appropriate times to stand and when to stay seated and to which songs??
Having been to so many sporting events for so many years and enjoying most of them, it really hurts that these "newer" type marketing geniuses had come to the conclusion that the music should be so loud you can't even talk to the person next to you..........
Best of Luck,
Groz
Thanks for the advice. Next time I have.
insomnia I'll play some music at 85-90dB. That would solve e the problem.
The all-or-nothing style of argumentation prevails today, especially online (this is backed by research, which some studies have shown that in online forums someone being analogized to Hitler is six times more likely to occur than in person). That’s not happening in this thread, but it’s easier to dismiss others’ concerns by the same psychological process—you don’t have to see the person you’re insulting or dismissing. If I had say in the matter, I’d make it a requirement that every student take at least two courses in logic and argumentation.
I like loud music, really loud music even - when I’m listening to music, at a concert or at home or in my car. When I get to choose what I’m listening to.Just look at the student section, full of young folks jumping up and down, dancing, cavorting, etc., to the music. Yeah, I think they like it.
I love loud music and I mostly like the music selections they play; I may be 59, but I've kept up with music and I strongly dislike marching band music, so I'm about 95% behind the music. I do think they could lower the volume just a tad and still have the same level of excitement, as it is hard to talk while the music is playing, but I never felt it was "dangerous" volume, probably because I still go to a lot of rock and roll shows.
Music around 100 dBs is a little less than most people experience at a rock concert or very loud sporting event (just the crowd), but it can still cause some hearing loss if exposed to it over an extended period (over 30 minutes, which usually means continuously, and the music is clearly not continuous). Given other entertainment options have as loud or louder conditions, my guess is that angle won't work, but it's worth a try - probably the best angle is the enjoyment angle.
But it has become so bad during the games that I was thinking, in game one, that I will not renew season tix after this year if they don’t do something to both lower the volume and give us some periods of time without the nonstop non-game-related noise.
I even said something mid-game to R & A about it. It seriously hampers my enjoyment of the game. And I realized, when having to stay home for this past Saturday’s game, that I was enjoying the game much more at home due to the lack of the nonstop overly loud music.
That’s just me and I figure it’s my problem, not anybody else’s. If nobody created this thread, I wouldn’t have complained about it here, would’ve just quietly said no thanks to tix next year.
But now it seems clear it’s not just me.
If I’m Pat Hobbs, I’d ask two questions: (1) how many people will stop coming to games if the music is turned down and we give people a break from the canned music periodically, and (2) how many people will quit coming to games if we don’t do those things.
I gotta think people won’t stop coming to games because the music isn’t played at ear damaging levels or because there are some times during the game when the canned music is silenced for a little bit.
I agree. I recently came across a text aimed at Junior High students called, "The Art of Argument: An Introduction to the Informal Fallacies," a book that teaches students to form arguments based on logic and solid facts rather than on a number of easily formed fallacies, ad hominem arguments included. It was published in 2010, but as I went through it, I thought they might have aimed too low. In 2021 it might be suitable for college students as well.
The music is staying, get over it, the kids love it, the games are for the kids and the players.
Again, let's move on to the next complaint, lord knows the posters on this board will find something to ***** about, if it is not the noise, it is the parking, the bathrooms, the concessions, the security, the traffic patterns, students not showing up, fans not showing up, standing up on third down, not standing up on third down, foul language by people in their section, what am I missing, fans arriving late, fans leaving early, etc., etc. You know what the AD does with your incessant complaining emails, sends you a form email back if you are lucky, and then deletes, deletes, deletes.
Again, let's move on to the next complaint, lord knows the posters on this board will find something to ***** about, if it is not the noise, it is the parking, the bathrooms, the concessions, the security, the traffic patterns, students not showing up, fans not showing up, standing up on third down, not standing up on third down, foul language by people in their section, what am I missing, fans arriving late, fans leaving early, etc., etc. You know what the AD does with your incessant complaining emails, sends you a form email back if you are lucky, and then deletes, deletes, deletes.
Agree, the volume of the music is way to loud, they need to turn it down.
For anyone that has contacted RU, have there been any responses? I'm not an old man yet but this issue would make me less inclined to go to any more games. I hate the club like atmosphere they're trying to create. Overbearingly loud, continuous music is counterproductive to creating a organic good game atmosphere. I feel awful for the band. They must be asking, why are we even here? I truly hope the AD understands the level of unhappiness amongst the base of contributers to the program.
Maybe it will be ok when we play a better opponent but rutgers does not have an organic good game atmosphere at this point by any stretch of the imagination. The stadium is half empty. The only section that’s good is the students.
You are whining yet last week accused me of the same. Hypocrite gone hypocrite. Just saying.. we all have things we find important.
Highly doubt you go to the games in person with such an asinine comment. My little kids were in tears over it. It's obnoxiously too loud.
I have been a season ticket holder for many years, I doubt that many of the people complaining are donors/season ticket holders because if you are then you would have been asked to fill out survey after survey rating the game day experience and had way too many calls asking your opinion on the same. So why would you be complaining on a free sports board? Obviously, the majority of us who take the time to fill out the surveys and answer the phone like the music. Enough, of the endless whining and complaining, maybe it is time to pass the torch.
I like loud music. Through the years I have spent tens of thousands on music and hi fi systems as well as going to hundreds of concerts.
That stated, the music blared at football games is too f***ing loud and extremely obnoxious.
That stated, the music blared at football games is too f***ing loud and extremely obnoxious.
Wrong, the event at a college football is not the game alone, but the entire game day experience, all the sights and sounds. The music, band, dance team, cheerleaders, students, fans are the experience, along of course with the players and the game. Again, they have sent out surveys, made calls, everyone who is a season ticket holder has had plenty of opportunities to make their voice heard. Obviously, they are in the minority of people who took the time to fill out the surveys and now they are on a free sports board bitching and complaining looking for support among those who may not even attend games.
who controls the music and volume? are they exposed to it throughout the game or are they locked in a suite behind glass and do not hear it the same as everyone outside?
When you see parents coming to the game with those little orange ear plugs jammed into the ears of their whole family, you know things are too loud. I saw several instances of that over the past few weeks. I also saw a kid near me who had taken napkins, balled them up and jammed them in his ear holes… and another young kid I saw just sitting with his hands over his ears the whole game looking really unhappy. It is getting ridiculous. Before these threads I had mentioned to my wife and friends that we literally had to shout the entire game any time we wanted to communicate to one another. It’s really getting unpleasant. And I 100% agree with the sentiment from many others in this thread that a BIG part of the enjoyment of the game is discussing the plays and players etc between snaps… and we all have really noticed that it has become increasingly difficult to do this at any point of the day… really degrading that part of the experience of being there. I totally understand shouting over a raucous crowd noise during a game, which naturally subsides at certain times… but artificial pumped in music during timeouts and breaks in plays is really starting to degrade our experience.
Glad someone else understands that blasting 'The Lion King' stuff is a backhanded slap especially when you realize the guy pushing the button is a lifelong cultist.
No. He's right. The F1 analogy is an extremely flawed analogy. It is not analogous at all.
And read the thread. There are clearly many of us who go to games (seemingly most, like me, are long time season ticket holders) who are finding the piped in music both too loud and, for some of us I think, too constant. It's unpleasant for many of us.
Again, this is not a choice between music or no music. This is a question of moderation in the playing of music. It's an incredibly easy fix for Hobbs. All fan complaints should be this easy to solve.
Are those of you challenging the music complaints saying you will stop attending games unless they play the music at 100+ decibels and between every single play of the game? Seriously?
Funny thing is, I actually like a club atmosphere - but only when I go to a club. Not while I'm trying to enjoy a football game at the stadium.
I think all we're asking is for the music it to be less of the constant focal point. Don't stop it entirely; just turn it down please. And now and then, give us some time to just chat among ourselves between some plays or during timeouts or whatever.
It's not the music selections (although they wouldn't be my choices, I don't really care about that). The current music/volume situation is just too extreme. A little moderation is all we're asking for here.
Are people actually arguing that no, it MUST to be played at ear-splitting level 100% of the time? Because that's just a ridiculous argument.
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Maybe Hobbs should take a tour of classically good game day atmospheres and see how it’s done. Rutgers (take off your scarlet shades) is not one of them.
Go to Clemson, tennessee, Nebraska, florida, Virginia tech and see how they do it. You can totally play music, but it need not be at the last peg on the volume dial. Music has its time and place…but the best game day atmospheres are fan-driven, NOT speaker-driven!
Go to Clemson, tennessee, Nebraska, florida, Virginia tech and see how they do it. You can totally play music, but it need not be at the last peg on the volume dial. Music has its time and place…but the best game day atmospheres are fan-driven, NOT speaker-driven!
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I had this conversation with a colleague 10 or so years ago. The issue is what you claim. The event or entertainment used to be the game. Now it is everything but the game. The game has taken a back seat unfortunately. Resources used to go to support the game and certain things surrounding the "game experience". Band, cheerleaders etc... and most people going to the game were going to watch the game. Now the "game day" experience is geared to the casual fan that needs to entertained from the time they enter the stadium until the time they leave.
I have discussed this with people within the athletic department and they are aware that it is a problem. Noise and constant stimulation is the single greatest complaint. But for some reason they keep hiring the same type of person to run the 'game day" experience. Fan interaction cannot happen organically because there is always something bombarding the senses. As I tell my kids silence at times is okay. Let things happen naturally, let a song play in it's entirety. Let the band play longer than 15 seconds. Let the fans cheer without some choreographed piece.
I spoke with Hobss and told him to send his game day team to another college gameday so they can see how it is done. Recommended UGA, LSU, Notre Dame, USC. Somewhere they let the fans be fans and every second is not filled with ear splitting noise.
Great post!
Also take note of what the fans respond to when it's time to pump up the jams.
A popular myth perpetuated here is that the game day experience must cater to the students. I think that's horsesh*t but lets go with it. Watch what the students actually get hyped up for. It ain't techno, club, rap or hip-hop. Just watch them for a game or two before you call me an old man. They respond to singing and jamming out to all the old rock anthems. The other genres certainly have their place during the game but it's simply not what hypes up the crowd.
Oh, and to the halfwits that will tell me it's what the players want: If the players give even half an iota about scoreboard music (outside of their warmups) we have a much larger issue.
I was a season ticket holder from 2002 thru 2017. No doubt this situation is a part of my unique decision making process of coming back.
I am sure there are so many factors that goes in to the game day experience. How things look in the eyes of recruits are important too. If Schiano is involved is Hobbs going to say no to Schiano over volume of music?
I am sure there are so many factors that goes in to the game day experience. How things look in the eyes of recruits are important too. If Schiano is involved is Hobbs going to say no to Schiano over volume of music?
You're comparing apples to oranges. The level recorded for the "book of world records" was what is called a "peak level" and cannot be compared to what's called average sound pressure level which is what all the charts refer to. Peak levels are usually 30 dBs more than dBs in SPL. So if the phone app gets 103 dBs of continuous SPL it will be much more damaging than a peak level of 135 plus. BTW, I don't put much faith in the phone app data.
Let me also address the distance part of this sound level. It follows what is an inverse square law. When the distance from the sound source is doubled, the corresponding drop is 6 dBs. So what is heard in one section could vary tremendously in another section. The axis of the speakers also comes into play. (ie. they are aimed over the students) The overhang comes into play as well because it reverberates and intensifys the sound. Short of putting speakers in front of every person, the sound level will vary tremendously. What some describe as painful could sound reasonable to someone in the upper deck (with no overhang) on the far end zone.
I get all that. They should look at it. How to make it more tolerable in some sections without detracting from the game day. It’s generally not loud at rutgers throughout the stadium compared to nfl and top college teams. That’s my point. Turn it down to where people close to the speakers stop bitching and can hear each other converse isn’t going to work out well imo. I won’t say any more. I don’t want to bash our game day experience.
Why didn't you just say that the first time...
they may have a point but I'd rather have that than the high school atmosphere of a Delaware game.