Now we know why bac doesn't see any issue with it
LOUD "music"
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Agreed.. I'm not there but on tv I could hear everything being played crystal clear so I can only imagine how bad it is live. It's like they're trying so hard to create an atmosphere that it's counter productive. Our fans don't need help being loud. Let them cheer/chant and let the band play
My post was partly in response to your comment referencing Molly Hatchet and the Doobies. But as for the distribution of volume, I sit in 125 on the 40-yard-line opposite the speakers, and it is futile to try to speak with anyone during the game. If something is important/urgent that has to be said, it must be said while a play is happening, and people are understandably distracted by the play itself. The sound system is incredible, it just needs to be used with an awareness of a better gameday experience. Louder doesn't always equal better, sometimes it can be overdone. I've got no issue with the type of music being played--could be rap, country, rock, whatever. I enjoy a lot of it. But I also enjoy talking about the game that I'm there to see, and that's presently impossible due IMO to an overzealous DJ.Not sure why you quoted me since I don’t think your post was in reaction to mine
whatever
I’ll repeat the main point (question really) of my post: is the volume very different throughout the stadium? We were in 105 and I can tell you, I don’t remember the music at all. And I think I WOULD have noticed it since from what I could hear I hatedbut really it was certainly not close to too loud for us.
so again - any possibility is it too loud in some areas and barely noticeable in others?
I ask because maybe the solution isn’t just “turn it down” but maybe it’s also to focus/spread the sound in a better way. So maybe the solution is more speakers spread throughout the stadium would allow the music to be played at a more reasonable volume?
125 is on the opposite side of the field from 105.
perhaps when you were getting blasted with music, it was behind or over us since we were certainly able to talk throughout without issue,
Im not doubting it was too loud where you were. but from what Im gathering, in addition to it being too loud, the sound doent seem to be getting sent around evenly. perhaps that causes them to over-compensate by blasting the music through the too-few speakers they have?
Well wouldn't the same selection of music at about 15dB lower volume achieve the same result?
As per noise exposure tables, the maximum exposure time for 100dB is 15 minutes. For 97dB, which it was in my seat for most of the game, it is 30min. Every 3dB increase in sound level represent a 50% increase in sound energy. If 85dB is considered the cutoff for potential hearing damage, 97dB represents an energy increase of over 10 times the 85dB level. (the scale is logarithmic) It should not be anywhere near this level at any point in the stadium. There really is no room for argument here as the data is well established. If you dispute this, by all means please bring a sound meter to our next game and see what you get, and look up the sound tables. If the results are the same as the Delaware game, you should legitimately be worried about your hearing, and if you bring children you have genuine cause to be concerned about them.
That’s certainly possible, though it appears the speakers are equally distributed left and right. If there’s a rational basis for the volume level (e.g. players like it), fair enough. But at one point during the game there was a timeout and the players and coaches were huddled near the end zone below the sound system, and I was wondering how the coaches were able to be heard given that they were roughly 60 yards closer to the system than me and I couldn’t hear the people next to me.
I will never go to any sports event without ear plugs again.
The only thing that is working well in me is my hearing and that may no longer be the case after yesterday.
The only thing that is working well in me is my hearing and that may no longer be the case after yesterday.
The students are 20 yards from speakers
It is obnoxious
coming out of tunnel , big 3rd downs , after scores is plenty of time to play loud music.
It is obnoxious
coming out of tunnel , big 3rd downs , after scores is plenty of time to play loud music.
We should go back to playing Lehigh and Delaware and taking naps during the games.
That's one way to process the debate. And please leave @RUScrew85 out of this, he's making progress toward being a normal human being and we don't want to interfere with anything that would inhibit that.
Thanks to jmg75 for reminding me of the OSHA standard for exposure to a loud environment!
I worked as an acoustic engineer for many years before changing careers. During that time I received a patent on a device which I trademarked "Earsaver". You can link to my patent (4,538,296A) here: Sound Inhibitor for Audio Transducers.
It's a fancy title for an electronic circuit that limited headphone/speaker volume to 85 decibels or less. I designed the device in order to allow postal workers (it was designed for postal workers) to wear headphones during an 8 hour work day. So I'm writing as someone who has done extensive research into hearing loss. The OSHA chart below shows the allowed levels of sound pressure (decibels) that are acceptable. Someone posted that the decibels from his phone app showed levels exceeding 100 dBs which OSHA says causes damage when you're exposed cumulatively for more than 1 hour. So add up all those songs between plays and I'm sure it totals more than one hour.
So I agree with the point that this is a legitimate health issue that should be addressed. I'm not going to go into legal ramifications but I don't think this should be dismissed by Rutgers.
In summary, we as fans, have some permanent hearing loss as a result of attending yesterdays' Rutgers football game. I can't be the only one who had ringing in my ears last evening which is indicative of the permanent damage.
OSHA website
The OSHA hearing loss chart.
My problem is not so much the volume of the music. What is disturbing, for me, is that it is between every single play.
Going to a game is a social event. A shared experience, with friends. The blaring music doesn't allow you to talk among friends, share your thoughts, socialize.
Going to a game is a social event. A shared experience, with friends. The blaring music doesn't allow you to talk among friends, share your thoughts, socialize.
Bethlehemfan
Consider ear protection?
Think about how absurd that is. Only slightly knocking you. It's more of a knock on RU. What's the point of going to a game with friends instead of watching on TV? The roar of the crowd perhaps? Oops, can't hear it because I'm wearing my ear protection
Consider ear protection?
Think about how absurd that is. Only slightly knocking you. It's more of a knock on RU. What's the point of going to a game with friends instead of watching on TV? The roar of the crowd perhaps? Oops, can't hear it because I'm wearing my ear protection
You've never attended a rock concert with earplugs I guess.
Rutgers stadium is not loud compared to their peers. Penn state has louder music and 105,000 passionate fans. That’s loud. Nothing wrong with ear protection imo.
How many people are really aware that they could very well experience permanent hearing damage from attending a college football game if they don’t wear hearing protection? Should a university put people in that position, especially if the patrons were not aware of the risk? It’s all well and good to just say “well you should just wear ear protection,” but how many people actually know that they absolutely should? Right now it’s limited to the people who have read this thread, minus the people who don’t believe it is necessary. Which leaves tens of thousand of people who might think it was loud, but are unaware the levels exceeded safety thresholds.
That goes for the nfl which is louder and concerts, mowing the lawn, etc etc. cmon man!!!
Not sure why you quoted me since I don’t think your post was in reaction to mine
whatever
I’ll repeat the main point (question really) of my post: is the volume very different throughout the stadium? We were in 105 and I can tell you, I don’t remember the music at all. And I think I WOULD have noticed it since from what I could hear I hated
so again - any possibility is it too loud in some areas and barely noticeable in others?
I ask because maybe the solution isn’t just “turn it down” but maybe it’s also to focus/spread the sound in a better way. So maybe the solution is more speakers spread throughout the stadium would allow the music to be played at a more reasonable volume?
Summary of really loud sections:
109, 105,
122, 125, Section 4
These sections are directly in line with the speakers on scoreboard and from about 50 yard lines down to about the 5 yard line opposite the scoreboard.
Maybe @Ruthinking , can address this, but guessing that the loudest sound overshoots the student section, and those from the 50 yard. I think the speakers are on the ends of the scoreboard, and maybe some up top, but the speakers on the ends are likely being directed right at sections 125-122 (and the club seats) and 105-109.
Maybe turds like @bac2therac who likes to play contrarian is either sitting closer to the field or in a section not impacted by the sound. They really should hire an audio engineer and install a distributed sound system.
I beg to differ. Saturday was the loudest college game/NFL game/concert/lawnmower I have ever heard. My ears have never hurt like that. It’s why I left early in the second quarter. People have complained about stadium noise as long as we have had a stadium, I guess. But I have never seen this many comments across multiple threads. It was the only game I have ever attended that I thought was dangerously loud. And the sound level measurements confirmed that it definitely was.
Dude just because other stadiums are louder doesn't mean that it's ok
So you advocate for a sleepy quiet stadium. I think that’s a bad idea if we want to be successful.
I’ve read that somewhere as well. Can’t imagine what it would sound like. And I wonder how long it’s that loud. Those are incredible levels.
Love the music, they need to crank it up to the next level! Let them hear it in NYC!!
If you are old or very young and it hurts your ears, by now you know to bring ear plugs, no excuses, the music has been playing for many years. Stop all the complaining. We go to at least three Formula 1 races every year, nothing is as loud as a Formula 1 race car, I love it, my wife brings earplugs and a headset, problem solved. Now, let's move on to the next old man complaint about the stadium, not enough bathrooms.
If you are old or very young and it hurts your ears, by now you know to bring ear plugs, no excuses, the music has been playing for many years. Stop all the complaining. We go to at least three Formula 1 races every year, nothing is as loud as a Formula 1 race car, I love it, my wife brings earplugs and a headset, problem solved. Now, let's move on to the next old man complaint about the stadium, not enough bathrooms.
No, I just like the noise to be made by then fans, not having the fan noise drowned out by music.
And you can add section 115 to the list of those bothered by the noise.
I have to yell to my kids 2 seats away for them to hear me during the games (and it's not because our stadium is deafening). I'm 34, not some cranky old man. The music guy is an abortion. Mashes 2 songs together every time, screwing with the 3rd down music, constantly playing Pedo St stuff...what is the point of even having a band if you're going to try to make the stadium like a night club blasting techno. It's horrible.
My 5 year old has been to games at 1,2,3...no problems. This year we had to buy her headphones and at times she is crying hysterically from the noise...and we sit in the old student section, so as far away as possible from the speakers.
My 5 year old has been to games at 1,2,3...no problems. This year we had to buy her headphones and at times she is crying hysterically from the noise...and we sit in the old student section, so as far away as possible from the speakers.
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You should go stroke the horsey. You are being a dick in this thread to play your passsive-aggressive contrarian game. You seem to have missed the point here about the decibel levels in certain sections being dangerously high. If I could not hear the radio broadcast with an earphone in my ear while the music was blaring, that is another indication the music is too loud, and probably dangerously loud. It's not whining to point out that the decibel level was excessive.
Seems clear that where people are seated makes a huge difference. I wonder if it's not as bad being lower to the field given that the speakers are up high.
Some say they can talk to people next to them just fine while I had to shout as loud as I could directly into my wife's ear for her to hear me almost the entire game (section 103, row 35).
I like a loud stadium. I was at the 2016 Rutgers/Louisville game. That was loud!!! The stadium was rocking. But the noise of a cheering crowd is completely different than the cacophony emanating from our scoreboard yesterday.
I've had tinnitus in my left ear for years now ... I'll be damned if I'm going to get in my right as well. It's ear plugs for me from now on.
Some say they can talk to people next to them just fine while I had to shout as loud as I could directly into my wife's ear for her to hear me almost the entire game (section 103, row 35).
I like a loud stadium. I was at the 2016 Rutgers/Louisville game. That was loud!!! The stadium was rocking. But the noise of a cheering crowd is completely different than the cacophony emanating from our scoreboard yesterday.
I've had tinnitus in my left ear for years now ... I'll be damned if I'm going to get in my right as well. It's ear plugs for me from now on.
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We must be 3-0 if the biggest complaint is that the music's too loud. Life is good. Here is a ranking of the loudest stadiums with decibel readings. If I'm reading this thread right, most of the comments are about the sustained noise, not as much about the peak noise level.
...Ours go to 11!
...Ours go to 11!
Flawed analogy. In Formula 1 the event itself is producing the noise--the cars, not an entertainment-based interlude between vehicles. In football, the piped-in music, not the event, is producing the problem, which is entirely controllable. It's a bad strategy to generate noise for which people need to wear ear protection. As for it being an "old man" complaint, you evidently missed the part about people's children crying and needing to leave, as well as wives and daughters having the same complaint. There are alternatives to a simplistic shut-the-****-up mindset, and Formula 1's noise isn't an argument in your favor.