Hello Title IX lawsuit.
The Players Don't Get Anything
- Thread starter BigBlueTom1_rivals
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Hello Title IX lawsuit.
Work at Mickey D's or play basketball in front of 23,000 fans? Tough choice. Be hero worshipped or yelled at by a 22 year old to clean the already clean counters. Decisions? To be able to parlay the sport into professional sport or be taken care of in the professional community as opposed to moving up to "team leader" at McDonalds. You know several of those kids would not even be in college if it wasn't for sports
Yes people are crazy upset about adidas doing it illegally. Not sure if the answer is creating a path that makes it legal (my example).
So Zion, Barrett, ja morant etc were all forced to go to college? Like they were literally forced and had no other options? Or nah?
I mean I get it; but at the same time...
I mean I get it; but at the same time...
Horseshit. Playing the race card i see. They dont have to take the scholly and go get a real job if they prefer.
Everyone has valid arguments on both sides.
For me, its simple. Would the average student trade with the football players and basketball players. The answer would overwhelmingly be yes.
If you want to play the blues then you have to pay your dues. These guys are more than welcome to go the minor league/semi pro route and see if thats more glamorous than all the perks you get playing basketball for a Kentucky or football for an Alabama.
For me, its simple. Would the average student trade with the football players and basketball players. The answer would overwhelmingly be yes.
If you want to play the blues then you have to pay your dues. These guys are more than welcome to go the minor league/semi pro route and see if thats more glamorous than all the perks you get playing basketball for a Kentucky or football for an Alabama.
Once again, totally different situations. You didn't come into your job expecting to not get paid. Student athletes did. You're being silly.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but is it not suggested by Title IX that all student-athlete's must receive equal benefits as they all have the same "job title" for the same organization (university athletic department in this case)? In other words, if you compensate the star of the men's basketball team then you must equally compensate a member of, let's say the women's golf team, for example.
I agree that players should be compensated for their likeness and jersey sales, etc. But legally speaking, I have always been under the impression that compensation based on the dollars that their team generates is not possible unless that revenue was evenly shared - which would make no business sense.
You got me. I'm involuntarily celibate and somehow made two kids. I'm just like Mary.
So, because a court decided something, it means that it's now fact and no one is allowed to challenge that belief?
I get great health care. I also get to work from home whenever I want, paid trips to other cities in the country, parental leave, free food, discounts on other stuff, and a lot of other perks that most other people don't get at their job. If I feel like I'm not being paid my worth, does that mean I should walk away because the average person don't get the same benefits I do? Or should I argue/fight for what I feel is fair pay?
That isn’t the point. Millions of athletes have gone to college as amateurs on athletic scholarship in this country. No one forces them to do it. The true question is about the traditional concept of amateurism and ways in which college scholarships are being manipulated to accommodate politics and opportunism.
When a student go to University of Kentucky he is not a member of the NCAA. When a athlete goes to Kentucky and plays a sport for the University of Kentucky, he has to become a member of the NCAA. No one is making these students play sports just like no one made the chemistry major choose their career path, it's personal choice.
Until another court rules differently, they are not employees. It's really not that hard.
Well, yes. First, it's decided law, second, courts are extremely reluctant to change precedent.
For "being a fat chick on Instagram" she went to Beijing, London, Miami, and other places on someone else's dime. She gets to live in Brooklyn in a nice apartment. I love living in KY, but that's a lot better than most of us will ever do.
OP was questioning how much it cost to treat PJ. Seems like a logical response to balance that with PJs value to the program. No?
I've been to Brooklyn, it sucks.
Seriously, however, good for her.
I find the whole "social media influencer" thing absolutely retarded (much like social media itself), but I'm clearly not the target audience.
Most schools don't make anything either - a study of the 2015 Tournament showed that 23 of the 68 teams made no profit for the year on their College Basketball program, and five lost money on the program. So much of the NCAA money schools currently get goes towards supporting the non self supporting sports.
There is a lot of griping, but I don't know the answer - nor have I heard a good workable one.
There is a lot of griping, but I don't know the answer - nor have I heard a good workable one.
I don't get it either. My wife is eight years younger than me, and she's very much into that kind of stuff (YouTube and what not). There are worse ways to make a living.
Bilas is just a mouth with a platform. Nothing he says matters to me.
No, PJ doesn't have a monetary value to the program, however, the program itself does have a monetary value.
Medical InsuranceThe University of Kentucky Athletics Department provides secondary and catastrophic medical insurance ONLY. The student-athletes’ or their parents’ medical insurance will serve as primary for all injuries and illnesses. If you are not covered by an insurance plan, verification may be required. UKAD will be responsible for any deductible or balance after the student-athlete’s insurance policy has paid. This will only apply for athletic related injuries, which occur during an organized and supervised workout, practice or competition.Medical Insurance information must be on file prior to the start of practice. Student-athletes who do not have their insurance information on file or made special arrangements will not be permitted to participate in any activity. All scholarship and non-scholarship athletes should be covered by personal or family health insurance, especially for bills resulting from injuries or illnesses not covered by the UKAD policy.UKAD will coordinate all benefits for athletic related injuries and illnesses.
That’s a ridiculous statement. The value of the program is at least partly based on the success of the program. He is a key component of that success therefor has a quantifiable value to the program.
On top of that there is an actual dollar value in tournament success.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...A-Tournament-unit-worth-Millions-13716348.php
The game is half ruined as it is, completely professionalizing college basketball will end what we know of college basketball and it’s kind of a shame.
But i mean, we have Zion and others getting free million $ homes as it is, so
But i mean, we have Zion and others getting free million $ homes as it is, so
If that’s the case how do you divide up $$ between the players? Does PJ get more than KJ? Does Herro get more than Quick? What about Hagans? Or Baker?
These are not professional players so they have no monetary value.
They get a cost of living stipend, an actual check every month. They get a per diem, they get $150 a day per diem for the NCAA tournament, they get $30 a day for incidentals. On top of having their education paid for, they get elite coaching, elite strength and conditioning, elite nutritionist planning their meals, use of elite facilities and training equipment, and great exposure and marketing to build their brand.
If they're not cool with that deal there are several leagues that will pay them, NBA G League, Big Baller League, and leagues in Europe and Asia. No one is tricking these kids, everyone is open and honest about what they get, if they're not OK with that choose another option.
Is he also gonna provide me a harem of scantly clad college girls? If so sign me up.
Unfortunately for lots of the reasons listed above it is very hard to determine how to pay the players and make it fair for everyone but at the same time it is hard to look at these kids generating billions of dollars for schools and the players getting a mere fraction of the money.
About the only way I can think of that would make sense is doing what Cal suggested a few years ago... separating from the NCAA altogether. Mid-majors in football offer very little resistance overall to the national landscape and in basketball it is great to see a Cinderella story but not very often are they actually going to win the title. The only way to make this possible in my opinion would be to have 4 super-conferences that consist of 16 teams each.
Take your 4 leagues in football and make each conference have two divisions. At the end of the season instead of having a championship for each league there would be an 8 team playoff.
So your SEC west winner and your SEC east winner would automatically make the playoff. Then you seed them 1-8 based on whatever rankings you decide and they start the playoff. The teams that are not in the top 8 could still have some type of post season bowl games and even for fun you could still match them up with the school’s left out of the super conferences.
In basketball it would be sort of the same thing, there are 64 teams so it would be easy to make a bracket out based on conference rankings also. Sec champ would play the 16th ranked team from the ACC or something like that.
Now on to the original point of how this would help the players get paid..... you would simply take the profits from each sport and divide it amongst the players, the school’s and the conferences. So 33% of the profit goes to players, 33% to schools and 33% to the conferences. Each player would receive equal pay and that still would bring up the point of Zion bringing in the money but the 13th scholarship player still gets a benefit, but it’s better than nothing I suppose.
It is key to mention that the student athletes would not get a share of the revenue, but of the profits. If they got the revenue then you would have to make them pay for things like their tuition, room and board, flights, food, etc. if they are paid based on the overall profit then you can deduct all of these costs from the overall number and then divide the money evenly.
There is no easy solution to a problem this big, especially when there is this much money involved. The NCAA profits a lot off of these kids and some how stays a “non-profit” and I don’t see any reason for them to change their system that continues to generate billions for themselves unless they think there is a realistic chance that schools would leave them in the future.
However even with this there would be a ton of issues on a national scale. It would basically turn smaller schools and smaller sports into division 2 level or NAIA level where most sports and schools are not fully funded so kids would have to get loans and play sports for the love of the game and go thousands of dollars in debt to attend college like most of America does these days.
About the only way I can think of that would make sense is doing what Cal suggested a few years ago... separating from the NCAA altogether. Mid-majors in football offer very little resistance overall to the national landscape and in basketball it is great to see a Cinderella story but not very often are they actually going to win the title. The only way to make this possible in my opinion would be to have 4 super-conferences that consist of 16 teams each.
Take your 4 leagues in football and make each conference have two divisions. At the end of the season instead of having a championship for each league there would be an 8 team playoff.
So your SEC west winner and your SEC east winner would automatically make the playoff. Then you seed them 1-8 based on whatever rankings you decide and they start the playoff. The teams that are not in the top 8 could still have some type of post season bowl games and even for fun you could still match them up with the school’s left out of the super conferences.
In basketball it would be sort of the same thing, there are 64 teams so it would be easy to make a bracket out based on conference rankings also. Sec champ would play the 16th ranked team from the ACC or something like that.
Now on to the original point of how this would help the players get paid..... you would simply take the profits from each sport and divide it amongst the players, the school’s and the conferences. So 33% of the profit goes to players, 33% to schools and 33% to the conferences. Each player would receive equal pay and that still would bring up the point of Zion bringing in the money but the 13th scholarship player still gets a benefit, but it’s better than nothing I suppose.
It is key to mention that the student athletes would not get a share of the revenue, but of the profits. If they got the revenue then you would have to make them pay for things like their tuition, room and board, flights, food, etc. if they are paid based on the overall profit then you can deduct all of these costs from the overall number and then divide the money evenly.
There is no easy solution to a problem this big, especially when there is this much money involved. The NCAA profits a lot off of these kids and some how stays a “non-profit” and I don’t see any reason for them to change their system that continues to generate billions for themselves unless they think there is a realistic chance that schools would leave them in the future.
However even with this there would be a ton of issues on a national scale. It would basically turn smaller schools and smaller sports into division 2 level or NAIA level where most sports and schools are not fully funded so kids would have to get loans and play sports for the love of the game and go thousands of dollars in debt to attend college like most of America does these days.
Damn you got to eat free at Mcdonalds? I worked at Wendys and didn't get jack ****.
Out of HS go home and did chores, then drove to work at 4 and got off around 12:30 to 1am then went home and did my homework. Went to bed around 3 am and got up at 6:30.
Did this my Junior and senior year.
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