For the record, Obama and Biden both deported more illegal aliens than Trump has. And they didn’t have to execute American citizens in the street to do it.
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Do you think Mossad was behind the assassination of Charlie Kirk and 9/11 as well?
Wasn’t scared to answer the questions. Didn’t know the answers and neither do you.
Could be a less sexy theory to account for Trump’s about face. He was paid huge sums of money to stfu. Hope he wasn’t involved with the girls but it’s hard to believe he didn’t at least know about it which would be the death of his political career if he knew the extent of it. Love him or hate him, that would be a dark day for our country.
His dad was denied asylum due to his attorney practicing law without a license. Our asylum system is abused egregiously. Jordan? Give me a break. Tragic that this young man had a rare genetic disease, but if an asylum seeker’s claim is denied, then normally the person is deported.
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We are already in the dark days of this country.
I don’t think money would be the motivator on this, he’s already making billions with his crypto setup, etc. The level of corruption demonstrated by Trump and his family during this term is unprecedented in American history. Money should no longer be an issue for them. Why would you turn everyone against you for something you’re already getting with zero oversight?
However, I can’t help but think the tide is turning on all this. Public opinion is turning. Republicans are beginning to get their spines back and the reality of midterms and life without Trump is looming. They will turn on him when it becomes politically expedient. A reckoning is coming.
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On the death of Alex Pretti, in an article posted by MSN, a clinical and forensic psychologist brought up an incident that he found strange. Dr JP Garrison said the officer who removed the firearm didn’t announce he had removed Mr Pretti’s weapon. The officer in the gray jacket then turned and ran in the other direction as soon as the shots were fired.
I can’t help but wonder if we don’t have some that are dressing up as ICE agents, which can and will, muddy the waters. I’m not saying the officer that shot him isn’t an ICE agent, but it is quite possible that a few mixed in aren’t.
I still stand by my claim that Mr Pretti should have not been in that situation to where he gets pepper sprayed, and has to be restrained. But he shouldn’t be dead either.
I can’t help but wonder if we don’t have some that are dressing up as ICE agents, which can and will, muddy the waters. I’m not saying the officer that shot him isn’t an ICE agent, but it is quite possible that a few mixed in aren’t.
I still stand by my claim that Mr Pretti should have not been in that situation to where he gets pepper sprayed, and has to be restrained. But he shouldn’t be dead either.
That’s because they didn’t have the Republicans going ape **** over it saying it was wrong. Your side suddenly shifted when it’s the Republican Party doing the deporting. Talk about sheep.
No. It’s actually possible to enforce the law without producing violence porn and revenge spectacles for boomers to watch on Fox News.
Learn to read. I said "same type of shift." As more information has come out, you've backpedaled.
You're treating this like a legal issue. It's a moral issue.
Nooooo, it's because they followed due process and laws without terrorizing citizens.
And they also had the support of local police and zero professional agitators to worry about. As for due process I’ll correct your latest falsehood in a moment
ah yes this old chestnut. I was afraid the good ol aclu had scrubbed it by now.
Sounds like a novel idea to not confront the police. Apparently Datt supports violence. He's actually a pathetic person to not see this. And he calls us sheep. You can't make this stuff up.
So anytime an illegal’s asylum is denied, as long as there’s a sick relative around or some other compelling “moral” reason, this person can just stay indefinitely?
How about an illegal with a criminal hx who is sending money back home to take care of a sick relative? A gangbanger who is helping take care of his children? Should they be allowed to stay as well? Should the judge simply ignore the law and just decide which cases would make the best “gotcha” stories on X?
@dukesince91 @Mac9192
Why is Donald Trump protecting pedophiles and violating the law he signed in November to release the Epstein files?
Why did Donald Trump send Ghislaine Maxwell to a minimum security prison when she’s a convicted child molester who’s not eligible to be in a minimum security prison?
Any thoughts?
Why is Donald Trump protecting pedophiles and violating the law he signed in November to release the Epstein files?
Why did Donald Trump send Ghislaine Maxwell to a minimum security prison when she’s a convicted child molester who’s not eligible to be in a minimum security prison?
Any thoughts?
Come on KD. You know there's no criminal illegal aliens here. It's just right wing conspiracy. You should know better.
And apparently based on his emotionally manipulative memes, he thinks I said that every person here illegally is a pedophile.
Under the moral guidance of these two, no one could ever be justly deported. Almost everyone on Planet Earth has someone they provide for either financially or emotionally. Before long, he’ll be posting memes from the animal shelter of a pit bull that was impounded when his owner was deported for having ties to Trin da Aragua.
It’s amazing how such self righteous humans can not give a rip about an entire group of people for years, even decades then when the right villain takes the White House and the social media manipulation kicks in, now they’re distraught and emotionally wrecked or at least pretending to be. Now they love the illegal aliens like their own family when ten years ago they wouldn’t p— on them if they were on fire.
What’s interesting and doesn’t create any suspicion whatsoever lol is that a waiver was required to move her from a low sec prison in Fla to a minimum security prison. The waiver was granted due to “ threats against her life”. If the threats were coming from inside the prison it would make sense to move her, but not to a facility with even less security than the previous one. Low sec prisons are equipped with much more security against outside threats than min: high barbed wire fences e.g
Was this guy a violent/pedophile/illegal criminal?
Once again, for reference, the 4th Amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
What if this was you? What would your reaction be? How would you feel?
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It’s definitely a violation of his 4th Amendment rights and it appears that a civil rights suit is under way. Those responsible should be held accountable. Have you donated to his Go Fund Me page or have you been too busy scrolling for your next meme?
He will likely file under the Federal Tort Claims Act and I hope he is compensated for what he’s been through.
I'm sure there are some instances of innocent immigrants being detained. It's sad, and proof the system is far from perfect. But what about the many criminal illegals that have been detained? Many that are violent animals. It's easy though to sit where we are and complain.
ICE has a tough job, and as a whole, I'm glad they're doing what they are.
Apparently it was a case of mistaken identity related to a car being driven by his son which led them to the wrong house in the first place, but Ice’s actions after that point were unconscionable.
I support Ices mission as well, but there are too many incidents like this and it all starts at the top with Homan and Noem sending an “ends justify the means” type message.
Was Tom Homan Obama's 'ICE chief' who received award for deportations? We inspected
Homan held senior leadership roles at ICE while Obama was president, but he served as the agency's director only under Trump.
www.snopes.com
The link may claim the photo is digitally altered, but what’s not in dispute is that Homan received an award for outstanding service in immigration enforcement, as evidenced by the large number of deportations. Yes, that Tom Homan.
You guys remember the massive protests after 56 people died while in Ice custody when Obama was President? Me neither.
Report Shows Poor Medical Care Led to Deaths at U.S. Detention Centers - National Immigrant Justice Center
Exposes Extreme Cases of Substandard Medical Care WASHINGTON D.C. —A report, Fatal Neglect: How ICE Inspections Ignore Deaths in Detention , released today by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Detention Watch Network (DWN) and the National Immigrant Justice Center (NIJC), examines...
immigrantjustice.org
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Ugh. It is with rising bile that I have to say I'm really off my game and that @KDSTONE has kinda pwn3d me a couple times in the last couple days. I've made some sloppy statements and been called on them. I gotta do better. Thanks for checking me there, KD. Respect.
In before @Mac9192 demonstrates a complete lack of grace by claiming it's the only thing that ever happens at all the times.
In before @Mac9192 demonstrates a complete lack of grace by claiming it's the only thing that ever happens at all the times.
President Trump has claimed that yesterday's attack on Rep Ilhan Omar was staged*.
How should GOP leaders respond, both to the attack and to comments like President Trump's?
How do any conservatives here feel about it, particularly considering how recently Sec'y Noem, ICE Commander Bovino, and Advisor Stephen Miller told such disgusting lies about the late Alex Pretti?
(*Every accusation is a confession. Who does your ears, by the way, Mr. President?)
How should GOP leaders respond, both to the attack and to comments like President Trump's?
How do any conservatives here feel about it, particularly considering how recently Sec'y Noem, ICE Commander Bovino, and Advisor Stephen Miller told such disgusting lies about the late Alex Pretti?
(*Every accusation is a confession. Who does your ears, by the way, Mr. President?)
All acts of political violence must be condemned. Maybe the attacker thought it was truth serum and wanted to help Comer out with his investigation into her finances.
Glad she’s okay though.
“Every accusation is a confession”. Are you actually down this rabbit hole? Please elaborate.
Until we have more specificity about the liquid used, it’s hard to accurately evaluate the situation. It’s alarming that a sitting member of Congress in the most politicized state in the US at the moment would have such lax security no doubt.
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lol
No, not really. Not that specific one. I do think conservatives are worse at introspection (and that liberals sometimes get tangled up in it) and therefore blind-er to their own hypocrisies and projections. So yes, I think it holds true over time, but no, I'm not into the ear conspiracy.
You’re a unique individual. Odd, but cool, that you make an admission like you did. You’re also frustrating to deal with. You want us to criticize Trump and his people when they have, or may have made mistakes. We have. Yet I don’t recall the last time you’ve practiced what you preach.
Grace should be a two way street Datt.
I'll again give @KDSTONE some props here: Some time ago, he acknowledged that within an inner circle, he has criticisms of Netanyahu, but that outside that circle, it's kinda a "circle the wagons" and put up a united front against greater external threats.
That's pretty much how I operate here. I was no fan of President Biden. I didn't vote for him in the '20 primary. I didn't get a bumper sticker or yard sign. I didn't volunteer for him. I wasn't excited about his candidacy at all. He was the lesser of 2 evils and I celebrated his very, very, 100% legitimate win, but I was not a fan. But why would I lean into that often here? Y'all were absolutely unhinged about him, calling him the worst President "EVER, "BY FAR," way before the midterms. I'm not conceding an inch to that. I'm in the minority here. All I have going for me is my vastly superior intellect, virility, charisma, and handsomeness. Concessions are for people who are at least on equal footing, if not in power. When I'm greatly outnumbered and don't sense any balance or rationality from y'all, I'm not going to be the first person to let my guard down.
I take your point and add the above. Yes, grace is a two-way street. Yes, I will be more thoughtful about where I can demonstrate that.
This is fair enough. I don't agree with much of what you just said, but it is what it is.
In our defense, the American public was gaslit by the msm for four years ( or three and a half years until the debate debocle) that Biden was fit physically and mentally. Then we would watch him ask at press conferences for deceased reporters and ramble on about Corn Pop. He presented like he was a bad month away from the nursing home.
Granted, Trump has had his share of verbal gaffes, but there’s no denying the man’s energy. I’d argue we weren’t “unhinged” about Joe; try pissed off.
Even his touted policy succeses like helping us out of Covid contributed to record inflation and historic levels of fraud we’re just now uncovering. In the South the Ppp enriched business owners who never had to lay off workers to begin with. No oversight.
The border fiasco along with the attached child trafficking issue puts him in a class of his own in our lifetimes I’d argue.
I don’t claim to be an expert on many of the relatively obscure Pres of the 19th century or even Harding, Coolidge, etc. Of the Pres in our lifetimes I’d consider the Bushes and Obama to be average, Reagan and Clinton prob top 10-15 all time, Carter and Biden to be bottom half.
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Off the top of my head, Presidents Tyler, Pierce, Fillmore, Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Benjamin Harrison, Harding, and Hoover are pretty objectively worse. I'll throw in Wilson, Nixon, and Trump, as well, but I don't care to argue about it.
8 Republicans joined all the Democrats in voting against the spending bill. The entire issue is DHS funding.
And the former LEO who murdered Sonya Massey got 20 years.
Good wins for the day.
8 Republicans joined all the Democrats in voting against the spending bill. The entire issue is DHS funding.
And the former LEO who murdered Sonya Massey got 20 years.
Good wins for the day.
MSM, as said many times, has really benefitted the left. Had Reagan been President in this day and time, he would be ran into the gutter. As would both Bush's. I am not a fan of either Bush though.
The msm isn't what it used to be because people started to see through their lies, and blatant bias. They're still powerful though, and unfortunately many liberals still buy what they try to sell. Look no further than this board. @Ghost of Dattier only sees one side as being bad, making mistakes...
If Trump was anywhere near how Biden was (and we all know he's not), Datt would have had a stroke by now.
The msm isn't what it used to be because people started to see through their lies, and blatant bias. They're still powerful though, and unfortunately many liberals still buy what they try to sell. Look no further than this board. @Ghost of Dattier only sees one side as being bad, making mistakes...
If Trump was anywhere near how Biden was (and we all know he's not), Datt would have had a stroke by now.
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Blatant bias. Look no further than the coverage of Good and Pretti. Both highly questionable deaths. Both should be investigated particularly Pretti’s.
However, the media narrative that they’re “peaceful protesters” doesnt stand up to any level of scrutiny. Good is heavily immersed in obstructionist groups. Pretti looked unhinged in the video a week before his death. This should have little bearing on the investigation into his death, but has everything to do with how slanted CNN’s coverage has been, with its glowing testimonials around the clock. I bought into it too until I saw the video from Jan 13 when he attacked an ICE vehicle. Why he wasn’t arrested on site is beyond me.
Before anyone gets this twisted, the newly released video in no way justifies the later shooting, but effectively collapses the media narrative that the media has spun about the deceased.
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This is where I don't understand how the people on the left just totally ignore these claims. I mean, totally ignore their actions, only the reaction of law enforcement.
At least they can have the decency to say "the protestors were out of line." In many instances, the protestors are unhinged.