The moment, that fine line if you will, where you go from being passionate about a cause to radicalized is a blurry one but in the age of social media it’s crossed faster than ever before. I don’t know if Pretti had been radicalized or not, we don’t know enough, but the video on Jan 13 is not encouraging. If I kicked an LEO’s car or spat on an agent, I would expect to be arrested. Full stop. Followed by a wife- mandated trip to the nearest psychiatrist’s office.
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“Go ahead. Make me the new Jimmy Kimmel if you want”. Now he gets to play free speech martyr. The 1st Amendment also protects the freedom of worship. Churchgoers should be able to worship peacefully without their service being terrorized by deranged lunatics. If you want to advance the narrative that Ice are violent terrorists, then scaring grandmas and little kids in a church seems a peculiar way to go about it.
Kinda wish they hadn’t arrested Lemon though. It doesn’t appear he was the ringleader although he obviously got a heads up well in advance. This will help his fledgling career so that’s unfortunate.
That said, protesters are generally allowed to protest on the sidewalk of a church, but going inside without invitation is generally considered a violation of the FACE act so it’s well within the law to arrest all involved despite what you’ll hear from the msm the next couple of days.
Fun drinking game: every time you hear the word chilling or draconian the next few days take a shot.
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A new batch of Epstein files was released today. Unfortunately, a lot of the perpetrators are still illegally redacted. However, there are some lowlights that are not redacted. See below:
Full files available at: https://www.justice.gov/epstein
Any thoughts? Odds Iran gets bombed this weekend before the media can pick this up?
Full files available at: https://www.justice.gov/epstein
Any thoughts? Odds Iran gets bombed this weekend before the media can pick this up?
You imply that there’s a coverup to protect Trump and the alliance with Israel ( usual bases covered) along with a host of other random things, but for some reason the DOJ released evidence so damning that Trump is going to bomb another country just to divert the public’s attention for the weekend? If there’s any sort of coverup concerning info damning to Trump why not just redact all of it?
On Kaitlyn Collins’ show just tonight she was reviewing a part where a 13 year old said Trump raped her. If you were going to cover something up, seems like that would be right at the top of the list.
As for the media pretty sure they’re aware. One of your sources was Jake Tapper. He works at CNN last I checked.
I don't know how many times I have to tell you I do not accept anything from any news organization at face value.
He wasn't at a protest. He wasn't a protester. ICE is patrolling Minneapolis on a phishing expedition... where people live. He peacefully recorded them, then peacefully intervened on behalf of a woman who had been assaulted. It's in the video.
Somewhere out there, there's a picture of you wearing a different shirt than whatever you're wearing today. Does that destroy the narrative that you're wearing the same shirt? WTML does that even mean? If it doesn't justify his murder a week later when he wasn't doing any of those things, why bring it up at all?
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Neither Renee Good's nor Alex Pretti's behavior was unhinged in the moments directly before their deaths.
But here's why I could ignore it even if they were: Being unhinged never warrants being murdered by govt thugs. In and of itself, it doesn't even necessarily warrant arrest.
I'll believe it matters when MAGA folks like @Mac9192 and @KDSTONE stop rationalizing it all away, like they are currently accusing the Left of doing with the govt-sanctioned murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti. Oh, and Luis Gustavo Núñez Cáceres, Geraldo Lunas Campos, Víctor Manuel Díaz, Parady La, Luis Beltrán Yáñez–Cruz, and Heber Sánchez Domínguez, too, while we're at it.
Every accusation is a confession...
The silence is deafening. The only response to my lowlights post was to criticize the excerpts I selected. No attempt was made to address, discuss, or unpack any of the substance within. A simple deflection, though at least @KDSTONE acknowledged it.
I often wonder what the response from the right would be if you swapped Trump’s name out of these files and replaced it with Biden or Obama. Not hard to imagine what would be happening.
Instead, go look at the Fox News website; you’ll find absolutely no mention of any of this. Better to pretend it’s not real, I suppose. The ironic thing about all of this is that there really was an elite pedo ring all along. It wasn’t a conspiracy. They just had the wrong people; it was Trump and his friends instead.
I guess blocking a road with your car and blowing the horn constantly is not considered unhinged in your world. Screaming at police is also a normal behavior too. Good grief.
Yeah, they sit there waiting for law enforcement to screw up, and are quick as hell to condemn them. Yet they NEVER criticize anything done by their side.
And we all know their side is nothing but a bunch of screw ups.
I understand that it's obnoxious, but no, it's not unhinged. It's strategically wise. The whistle-blowing and horn-honking, for example, can be heard at a distance, so it alerts people -- particularly BIPOC citizens who have been consistently harassed on the ICE phishing expeditions -- to take cover. Blocking traffic -- in roads or at lunch counters -- has always been a thoughtful, strategic choice. Disruptive? Yes, that's the point. Unhinged? No. Unhinged is murdering people in the streets for being obnoxious. Unhinged is pouring drinks over people's heads because they expect to be served.
There's also a lot of room between "unhinged" and "normal." It's really lazy rhetoric to substitute one term for the other. No, screaming at police isn't normal. These aren't normal circumstances and ICE isn't "police." They do immigration enforcement. Pretty much everything else is overstepping their role. Here in NC, our own Senator -- our own Republican Senator -- Thom Tillis, is one of few GOP Congress members who has found the courage to speak up about this. Listen to him if you don't believe me. ICE is unhinged.
And yet AGAIN, even if Good or Pretti or any of the other people ICE has murdered this month-old year were unhinged, unless it is paired w/ a threat to safety, it doesn't warrant deadly force.
The govt is still pushing the lie that Renee Good was trying to run over disgraced ex-ICE thug Jonathan Ross. As I mentioned the other day regarding being outnumbered here, why would I concede an inch on this when the govt is counting on us to crumble under the weight of their lies?
@KDSTONE , you've been somewhat reasonable of late; help me out: does "unhinged" qualify for the use of deadly force?
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Here's info on the "violent criminal illegal alien" ICE was looking for when they instead murdered Alex Pretti: "Huerta Chuma's record includes traffic violations, and that he pleaded guilty to a disorderly conduct misdemeanor offense in 2018...linked to a domestic violence arrest, and that the offense was later expunged... The Minnesota Department of Corrections said in a statement that Huerta Chuma has never been in the state's prison system and that it did not find felony convictions in his case."
In summary:
* a 7+ year old misdemeanor DV plea that has been expunged, and traffic tickets
* no prison time, no felony convictions
Oh, msm?
Tell me any facts contradicting these from any source of your choosing. Not just a description of him as a scawy bad man -- actual facts. This is who ICE was pursuing when they murdered Alex Pretti. This is what our govt is wasting time on to meet a PR quota.
In summary:
* a 7+ year old misdemeanor DV plea that has been expunged, and traffic tickets
* no prison time, no felony convictions
Oh, msm?
Tell me any facts contradicting these from any source of your choosing. Not just a description of him as a scawy bad man -- actual facts. This is who ICE was pursuing when they murdered Alex Pretti. This is what our govt is wasting time on to meet a PR quota.
I’ll give you credit, you’re really good at spinning things. People that block traffic and keep others from getting to work so that they can earn a living is not at all thoughtful. The sad thing is that if the hard working citizen that is trying to get to work would be the one who is punished if they try to get the unhinged person blocking traffic out of the way. Oh, but they’re thoughtful. That’s another reason I hate the Democrats. The welfare party that has plenty of time to protest.
Never said it did. I used the Jan 13 video of Pretti to push back against the narrative that Pretti was a”peaceful protester”. A week later I still hold that his shooting wasn’t justified, only that the msm has lionized Pretti in order to villify Ice.
Blocking traffic may be “strategic” in the middle of an Ice op. It’s also illegal and a federal offense. This has nothing to do with whether Good’s shooting was justified or not but rather that the msm never bothers to mention that she was obstructing Ice agents when she was shot. They were likely trying to arrest her when she fled the scene. Should she have been shot? No.
A lot of them are paid to be there. So they’re working. Well kinda sorta. These obstructionists would normally be arrested but the absence of local pd help makes things rather challenging.
So he’s been in the country illegally for at least over seven years? Go try to pull that in France or Japan or any other civilized nation and see how it works out. Huerta has had a good run, when he wasn’t wasting local pd resources. Time to hit the road, the voters said in Nov 2024.
"Thoughtful" as in "they thought about it and deliberately chose it," not "considerate." But don't let that stop you from ranting about something I didn't mean. Talk about spin.
I see little distinction between your acknowledging the Pretti killing wasn't justified and villifying ICE. If the Left "lionizes," the Right uses unfounded character assassination to justify murder. And how many times do I have to say I don't care whether they were unhinged or not because it has nothing to do w/ why they were shot? Just like I don't care that George Floyd had a record, or that Eric Garner was selling loosies, or that Trayvon Martin was an irrational & ornery teenager, or that Sandra Bland had an attitude, or that Alton Sterling was infringing copyrights. None of those things has anything to do with making their deaths acceptable or justified. That's not lionizing a single one of them. It's an acknowledgment that even criminals and lowlifes and scumbags have rights. They're the ones most at risk of having their rights violated because of conservatives who are totally fine with it.
Over 20 years. Working and contributing to society. What you voted for in 2024 was focusing on deporting undocumented immigrants who commit serious, violent crimes., because that is what was promised. Did you vote for raiding courthouses to abduct people who are showing up for court proceedings about their residency? Crippling agriculture, construction, and service industries by rounding up all of their undocumented employees who are vital contributors to our economy? Terrorizing communities and citizens to get a single guy smeared with fantastic lies at any cost?
And I take it that's a no, huh? No, you can't dispute any facts from the article I linked.
When will y'all procure a single receipt proving that? Has a single person in all these years come clean about that after realizing it wasn't worth being arrested? After being offered a deal to confess it?
Until then, it's a lie and repeating it makes you a liar.
Receipt 1: Happy reading.
‘Compensated activist’ says majority of protesters are paid
A self-proclaimed “compensated activist” told NewsNation that paid protesters make up a large number of participants at big events.
www.newsnationnow.com
We know this is orchestrated. Maybe it’s to divert the attention away from the fraud scandal. It’s also funny (not really) that these issues with LEO are in sanctuary cities.Receipt 1: Happy reading.
‘Compensated activist’ says majority of protesters are paid
A self-proclaimed “compensated activist” told NewsNation that paid protesters make up a large number of participants at big events.www.newsnationnow.com
@Ghost of Dattier still refuses to say “his side” does any wrong. Instead, he only wants to vilify the right. When we have openly criticized our side at times.
Receipt that any of those industries have been “ crippled”. Ice has made mistakes no doubt. We’ve acknowledged that repeatedly.
Any pushback that these are peaceful, 100% organic protests to you is tantamount to saying that Ice can murder US citizens with impunity.
These two shootings are unjustified, esp Pretti’s and these protests are not entirely peaceful and at times are illegal and obstructionist. Two things can be true at once.
lolReceipt 1: Happy reading.
‘Compensated activist’ says majority of protesters are paid
A self-proclaimed “compensated activist” told NewsNation that paid protesters make up a large number of participants at big events.www.newsnationnow.com
Yeah, okay, there are groups whose business is helping organize protests. That's no different than paying a medic or caterer to be on-site. Or the sound tech for the microphones. They are hired because there is already a protest. They're not hired to create it.
There's a group I volunteer w/ for marshaling parades and marches. We wear distinguishing vests and get walkie-talkies for communicating. I volunteer, but they do have employees, and we broadly agree w/ and support the causes we help with, so technically there are people who agree with the cause who are being paid while there. That's a far cry from the idea that George Soros is pulling randos and telling them, "Here's some $ to show up and chant" and the people are like, "Sure, what's it about again?"
At many such events, there are LEO there to block intersections and keep everyone safe. They're paid, but by and large they are doing it for an event they support. Like, no homophobic cop is gonna volunteer to support a Pride march. Are those uniformed officers who accepted the extra duty to help a march for a cause they personally support also "paid protesters"?
This is not spin. This is not semantics. It's precise distinctions. The conservative narrative around this is totally bogus.
We do plenty wrong. I've covered this. You don't like what I'm saying and lack the ability to address what I've actually said, so you make up lies -- strawmen -- that aren't as hard for you to address.
Are you denying both the logic and the reality that restaurant owners, contractors, and big ag have raised this concern and that ICE has laid off those industries for the most part?
Good grief. Did you even read the article yourself?Receipt 1: Happy reading.
‘Compensated activist’ says majority of protesters are paid
A self-proclaimed “compensated activist” told NewsNation that paid protesters make up a large number of participants at big events.www.newsnationnow.com
“ 'I’m watching, I’m there, I’m making sure everything goes well and everything remains peaceful, and we’re following the rules and making sure everything is up to par. That’s my job,' she said. "
" 'I think it’s a difference if you’re paid to push a narrative that you don’t believe in because you become a puppet. And that is not what we do,' she argued. "
ICE has “laid off those industries”. Damn. No wonder groceries are so high.
I asked for a receipt and got a deflection. I guess that’s Datt-speak for I have no receipts.
You must have missed the part where the true believer interviewed said that a lot of the protesters are there because they’re being paid. Most probably agree with the protest, but we’re talking about WHY they are there, not their political leanings. If they’d show up anyway then why pay them?
You claimed that these were protests populated by peaceful amateurs. The link refutes that. Different people have different roles. Great.
Receipt 2
Congress investigates billionaire’s alleged funding of anti-ICE protests
Congress subpoenaed Singham last year, and lawmakers have requested Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent investigate freezing his assets.
www.newsnationnow.com
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I haven’t seen any Help Wanted signs at restaurants or construction sites. I guess the workers were more easily replaced than the doomsday scenarios. If it gets too bad, maybe wages will go up for US citizens. Wouldn’t that be a kick in the pants?
No one on this board has justified their deaths. You’ve created a strawman so you can pretend that any pushback to your peaceful, amateur protest narrative is an approval of the deaths of two US citizens.
This is one of many examples of the past week. Nonstop glowing testimonials that are used to demonize Ice as an agency, not the agent responsible for his death.
CNN panelist calls Alex Pretti the ‘perfect guy’ as new video emerges | Fox News
CNN panelist Ana Navarro praised Alex Pretti as the “perfect guy," as new video appears to show him confronting federal agents in Minneapolis days before he was killed.
www.foxnews.com
Trump’s deportations are causing farm labor issues. He hasn’t presented a viable, long-term solution. - Investigate Midwest
This story is is supported by funding from the Chicago Region Food Systems Fund. President Trump’s deportation of more than half a million people, along with his ending of several programs that allowed immigrants to work in the country legally, has created labor issues across the agriculture...
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Dairy farms are vulnerable to Trump's mass deportation threats. The industry hopes to get a pass
People without legal status are a key part of the dairy industry's workforce. Some producers hope their economic contribution will protect farms from ICE raids and may open the conversation around policy reform.
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Mass Deportations Are Starting to Hurt Agriculture, Analysis Says
Labor statistics and food prices now show early signs of negative economic impact, according to a new report.
civileats.com
How Mass Deportations Could Gut the US Food System | Atmos
With 40% of the American agricultural workforce undocumented, farmworkers prepare to resist Trump’s calls for an immigration crackdown.
atmos.earth
Deportations are set to explode — a huge worry for farmers already facing a labor shortage
American agriculture relies on foreign workers, and that workforce is already stretched thin. With Trump’s immigration crackdown set to expand next year, some farmers fear that workers will be even harder to find.
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Mass Deportation of Unauthorized Immigrants: Fiscal and Economic Effects | Penn Wharton Budget Model
It is well known that mass deportation reduces aggregate economic variables like GDP due to scale effects. We project that deportation also reduces wages of high-skill workers, compromising 63% of workers. Still, authorized low-skilled workers can see their wages increase but only if the...
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Yes. You are. Every time you focus on distractions from the fact that there was no justification for deadly force, you're excusing it.No one on this board has justified their deaths. You’ve created a strawman so you can pretend that any pushback to your peaceful, amateur protest narrative is an approval of the deaths of two US citizens.
This is one of many examples of the past week. Nonstop glowing testimonials that are used to demonize Ice as an agency, not the agent responsible for his death.
CNN panelist calls Alex Pretti the ‘perfect guy’ as new video emerges | Fox News
CNN panelist Ana Navarro praised Alex Pretti as the “perfect guy," as new video appears to show him confronting federal agents in Minneapolis days before he was killed.
It's not MY narrative, but Good and Pretti were peaceful. They did nothing to warrant the use of deadly force against them.
I don't watch CNN and I don't trust FoxNews' interpretation of what they say anyway.
A woman whose job is to recruit people has the opinion that the majority of protesters are paid. That's like me having the opinion that the majority of people are between the ages of 14 & 18.You must have missed the part where the true believer interviewed said that a lot of the protesters are there because they’re being paid. Most probably agree with the protest, but we’re talking about WHY they are there, not their political leanings. If they’d show up anyway then why pay them?
You claimed that these were protests populated by peaceful amateurs. The link refutes that. Different people have different roles. Great.
Receipt 2
Congress investigates billionaire’s alleged funding of anti-ICE protests
Congress subpoenaed Singham last year, and lawmakers have requested Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent investigate freezing his assets.www.newsnationnow.com
That news site gets high marks for neutrality and credibility, so it must be an exception that that article is trash. They have one anonymous source. Congrats.
Y'all like casting dispersions on my media sources, but you can't even name one because I never trust a single news source w/o cross-referencing it w/ other sources. Then you come back w/ a single source that can't be fact-checked, peer-reviewed, or supported elsewhere.
But then I'm the sheep lol
But then I'm the sheep lol
Her account is also consistent with what we know so far about a Congressional investigation.
I’d post a link from one of your preferred news sources except for the fact there isn’t one and will never be one. This notion that these protests are peaceful, organic, and mostly unfunded is a sacred cow of the Left. The msm will protect the “sanctity” of these protests no matter what. If the general public knew who was funding this crap and why, the Left couldn’t use the protests as proof of some sort of mass movement for change. The protests would be seen as the performative farce that they are.