The New Lounge

Mac9192

Heisman
Jan 25, 2017
9,500
13,731
107
Who was ICE there to arrest? Not Alex Pretti. Jose Huerta Chuma, wanted for Domestic Assault, and a few other charges. Also an illegal from Laos, wanted for child sex crimes.

The death of Mr Pretti is a tragedy. After checking out the video you posted, which is disturbing, I checked out a few more. It’s being reported that he brought a 9 mm?, got into the altercation with border agents, and possibly shot in self defense by an agent.
 

DuckDevil

Redshirt
Nov 24, 2025
95
20
8
Who was ICE there to arrest? Not Alex Pretti. Jose Huerta Chuma, wanted for Domestic Assault, and a few other charges. Also an illegal from Laos, wanted for child sex crimes.

The death of Mr Pretti is a tragedy. After checking out the video you posted, which is disturbing, I checked out a few more. It’s being reported that he brought a 9 mm?, got into the altercation with border agents, and possibly shot in self defense by an agent.
You just watched the video for yourself. Where is the altercation? In the extended video, I see him try to help the woman up from the ground they slammed down, I see them mace him in the face multiple times, slam him to the ground, hit him in the face with a flashlight, disarm his pistol (which he legally possessed), then execute him by shooting in the back while he’s on his hands and knees.

Where do you see self defense in that video? They’re on top of him. It’s 8 on 1. He’s already on the ground.

They murdered that man.IMG_5160.jpeg
 
Last edited:

Mac9192

Heisman
Jan 25, 2017
9,500
13,731
107
You just watched the video for yourself. Where is the altercation? In the extended video, I see him try to help the woman up from the ground they slammed down, I see them mace him in the face multiple times, slam him to the ground, hit him in the face with a flashlight, disarm his pistol (which he legally possessed), then execute him by shooting in the back while he’s on his hands and knees.

Where do you see self defense in that video? They’re on top of him. It’s 8 on 1. He’s already on the ground.

They murdered that man.
Let the facts decide this. We’ve seen people rushing to judgment thousands of times.

You’re leaving out a very important point though. There wouldn’t be any issues if the protesters would leave the ICE agents alone. They are only doing their job.

If what you’re saying though is true, the agent should be charged.
 
Last edited:

DuckDevil

Redshirt
Nov 24, 2025
95
20
8
Let the facts decide this. We’ve seen people rushing to judgment thousands of times.

If what you’re saying is true, the agent should be charged.
Those agents will never be charged or investigated. They’ve already labeled the victim a domestic terrorist, an assassin, among other things. How can you label someone that before an investigation? A VA nurse at that. Nonstop lies from these people.

Don’t believe what your lying eyes tell you.








IMG_5160.jpeg
“Defensive”
 
Last edited:

Ghost of Dattier

Freshman
Oct 27, 2025
147
74
28
Let the facts decide this. We’ve seen people rushing to judgment thousands of times.

If what you’re saying is true, the agent should be charged.
No, you'll find another reason to justify it.

How far has the needle moved for you by now, mac? No foreign wars, right? Oh, except Iran... and Venezuela... and Greenland?

Our President is using ICE like the Gestapo. They are attacking US citizens in the street without justification. They've been given permission to enter homes without warrants. They murdered Alex Pretti in front of dozens of witnesses recording the whole thing, and you're believing the lies Sec'y Noem put out there. He had a permit to conceal carry and a 2nd Amendment right to do so. Y'all are big fans of the 2nd Amendment when it's Kyle Rittenhouse and any overcompensating right-wing cowboy wannabe. He did not draw his weapon at any time. He did not approach ICE agents aggressively. He attempted to protect a woman an ICE agent shoved to the ground for no reason. For that he was pepper-sprayed, then jumped by 6 or more deputized thugs. An ICE agent disarmed him before they shot him. After he was shot and immobilized they paused, then shot him multiple more times.

These are undeniable facts and you'd rather believe what they tell you to believe rather than your own eyes. The right has abdicated all moral high ground they ever pretended to have.
 

KDSTONE

All-Conference
Oct 15, 2004
5,487
3,760
40
No, you'll find another reason to justify it.

How far has the needle moved for you by now, mac? No foreign wars, right? Oh, except Iran... and Venezuela... and Greenland?

Our President is using ICE like the Gestapo. They are attacking US citizens in the street without justification. They've been given permission to enter homes without warrants. They murdered Alex Pretti in front of dozens of witnesses recording the whole thing, and you're believing the lies Sec'y Noem put out there. He had a permit to conceal carry and a 2nd Amendment right to do so. Y'all are big fans of the 2nd Amendment when it's Kyle Rittenhouse and any overcompensating right-wing cowboy wannabe. He did not draw his weapon at any time. He did not approach ICE agents aggressively. He attempted to protect a woman an ICE agent shoved to the ground for no reason. For that he was pepper-sprayed, then jumped by 6 or more deputized thugs. An ICE agent disarmed him before they shot him. After he was shot and immobilized they paused, then shot him multiple more times.

These are undeniable facts and you'd rather believe what they tell you to believe rather than your own eyes. The right has abdicated all moral high ground they ever pretended to
Sec Noem was in over her head from the get go. Instead of demanding an immediate investigation into Pretti’s death she claims that an ICU nurse is a domestic terrorist who intended to kill Ice agents yesterday. I don’t know many nurses who are packing heat on the reg, but as has been mentioned it’s his 2nd Amendment right to do so. Prosecuting a federal agent for homicide or manslaughter is a high legal bar generally, but it appears his family has a strong case for a wrongful death suit based on what we know right now.
I can’t argue with your layout of the case specifically but of course object to your depiction of Ice’s overall mission.
 

Mac9192

Heisman
Jan 25, 2017
9,500
13,731
107
Oh, it's the lame-stream media so the video must be a deep-fake and the narrator is making up things that aren't in the video! :rolleyes:

People who would rationalize this are like the nice Germans during WW2.
I haven’t said the ICE agent is innocent. In this day and age, there are many times more video, or evidence, comes out to show things weren’t what they appeared to be. Or is your head still stuck in the sand, and your interest is to only support “your side” as heavily as you claim we do our side?
 
  • Like
Reactions: KDSTONE

KDSTONE

All-Conference
Oct 15, 2004
5,487
3,760
40
Oh, it's the lame-stream media so the video must be a deep-fake and the narrator is making up things that aren't in the video! :rolleyes:

People who would rationalize this are like the nice Germans during WW2
Problem is even before this tragedy the Left was comparing ICE to the Gestapo. Not only is it preposterous on its face, it trivializes the Holocaust. Ice’s mission to enforce immigration law only became sinister when Trump was attached to its mission. No one gave a rats *** when Obama and Clinton were Presidents. Throwing the whataboutism card at me doesnt absolve you of your blatant hypocrisy for caring about millions of people’s welfare only when Trump can be blamed
Kind of like the Left only cares about Muslim deaths when Israel can be blamed. Crickets about the half million killed in Syria, silence about the Iranian protesters now.
 
Last edited:

KDSTONE

All-Conference
Oct 15, 2004
5,487
3,760
40
I haven’t said the ICE agent is innocent. In this day and age, there are many times more video, or evidence, comes out to show things weren’t what they appeared to be. Or is your head still stuck in the sand, and your interest is to only support “your side” as heavily as you claim
But you’ve defended Ice in the past so let’s just all just pretend that we think the agents involved in Pretti’s death were acting in self defense so we can be the straw men needed in this morality play
 

KDSTONE

All-Conference
Oct 15, 2004
5,487
3,760
40
But you’ve defended Ice in the past so let’s just all just pretend that we think the agents involved in Pretti’s death were acting in self defense so we can be the straw men needed in this morality play
Never mind. Having trouble navigating this site. May be why some of the tribe haven’t returned or maybe I’m just getting dumber. Flip a coin.
 
Last edited:

Ghost of Dattier

Freshman
Oct 27, 2025
147
74
28
Problem is even before this tragedy the Left was comparing ICE to the Gestapo. Not only is it preposterous on its face, it trivializes the Holocaust.
Uh, the Holocaust Museum itself puts an emphasis on identifying and preventing further Holocausts. Your purity test is what will make it irrelevant for future generations, not identifying fascism before it goes too far (too late for that here). This is the first time I have ever made that comparison. Y'all have been whining about the Left doing this since at least early 2024, just like good Germans said everyone was overreacting about Hitler throughout the '30s. When are you going to realize they were right?

No one gave a rats *** when Obama and Clinton were Presidents.
I would have cared about it under President Clinton... except ICE didn't even exist until 2003, more than 3 years after he left office. What an embarrassing, stupid whataboutism for you to play, all while accusing me of whataboutism. President Obama never weaponized ICE against US citizens in locations chosen specifically to get revenge on his perceived enemies. Your equivocating is pathetic.
 

Ghost of Dattier

Freshman
Oct 27, 2025
147
74
28
I haven’t said the ICE agent is innocent. In this day and age, there are many times more video, or evidence, comes out to show things weren’t what they appeared to be. Or is your head still stuck in the sand, and your interest is to only support “your side” as heavily as you claim we do our side?
And I haven't said we should skip the trial.

Let me know when you uncover video that shows any of #1- Alex Pretti being aggressive, #2- Alex Pretti brandishing or even reaching for a weapon, #3- an ICE agent not removing Alex Pretti's gun before #4- ICE agents shooting Alex Pretti while he was unarmed and non-threatening, and #5- ICE agents continuing to shoot Alex Pretti after he was already incapacitated. Those are the facts guiding my conclusion.

You're claiming ICE as your side and Alex Pretti -- an American citizen who was legally and peacefully exercising his 1st and 2nd Amendment rights -- is not your side.

What do your eyes tell you?
 

Mac9192

Heisman
Jan 25, 2017
9,500
13,731
107
Like I said, the death of Alex Pretti is tragic. Are there some bad ICE agents? Yes. In no way am I excusing this, but some of these protestors are more like agitators.

Like them or not, ICE are carrying out their job responsibilities to catch illegals, and ones with records. They are being harassed by the likes of Mr Pretti.

I’m sure you’ll spin this Datt. You always do.
 

KDSTONE

All-Conference
Oct 15, 2004
5,487
3,760
40
Uh, the Holocaust Museum itself puts an emphasis on identifying and preventing further Holocausts. Your purity test is what will make it irrelevant for future generations, not identifying fascism before it goes too far (too late for that here). This is the first time I have ever made that comparison. Y'all have been whining about the Left doing this since at least early 2024, just like good Germans said everyone was overreacting about Hitler throughout the '30s. When are you going to realize they were right?


I would have cared about it under President Clinton... except ICE didn't even exist until 2003, more than 3 years after he left office. What an embarrassing, stupid whataboutism for you to play, all while accusing me of whataboutism. President Obama never weaponized ICE against US citizens in locations chosen specifically to get revenge on his perceived enemies. Your equivocating is pathetic.
Second part first. The INS handled immigration enforcement under Clinton, doing the same things Ice is responsible for now. Under W, the Ins was split into three different agencies Ice being one of them. A distinction without a real difference.

There is an enormous and dangerous difference, however, between the actions of Ice in Minnesota and the Holocaust. The Holocaust was a state engineered genocide. 6 m Jews were systematically dehumanized, stripped of their rights, starved, tortured, and murdered. If everything is now a genocide, then nothing is.

Comparing the actions of Ice to the horrors of the Holocaust doesn’t mean you’re on moral high ground. It means you’re digging yourself a new bottom. This comparison doesn’t use history to warn us of what might be next. It erases history.

Demand that those responsible for Alex Pretti’s death be held responsible. Good.
Advocate for immigration reform if you think it’s in the best interest of our nation. Even better.
But for the love of God, quit co-opting another group’s historical suffering for cheap political points.

As for the “embarassing” and “stupid” remarks, it won’t deter me in the future for pointing out the Left’s hypocrisy about foreign conflicts. The “Palestinian” cause is supposedly all about human rights and freeing those from “oppression”, yet again these same people are silent about thousands of protesters killed in Iran but can’t stfu about two killed in Minnesota. Of course we all hold the US govt to higher standards of conduct than Iran’s, but the disconnect is alarming nonetheless.

And has Trump chosen these locations to exact revenge? Really? You are aware that ICE has conducted many operations in red states like Florida without incident. Perhaps these cities like Minneapolis were chosen because of their sanctuary city status and their refusal to comply with immigration law? Would you concede that’s a possibility or would that interfere too much with your lazy Trump’s on a revenge kick narrative?
 

KDSTONE

All-Conference
Oct 15, 2004
5,487
3,760
40
Like I said, the death of Alex Pretti is tragic. Are there some bad ICE agents? Yes. In no way am I excusing this, but some of these protestors are more like agitators.

Like them or not, ICE are carrying out their job responsibilities to catch illegals, and ones with records. They are being harassed by the likes of Mr Pretti.

I’m sure you’ll spin this Datt. You always do.

Many on the Left will use the tragedies of the past few weeks to continue to vilify Ice because they can’t say the quiet part out loud. That they hate immigration enforcement period. Many also want open borders , but after the political disaster that was the Defund the Police movement they’ve learned not to say the quiet part out loud. As Rahm Emanuel said, “ Never let a crisis go to waste” and the Left will use these deaths to justify returning our nation to the Biden Era border sh- show.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mac9192

KDSTONE

All-Conference
Oct 15, 2004
5,487
3,760
40
Uh, the Holocaust Museum itself puts an emphasis on identifying and preventing further Holocausts. Your purity test is what will make it irrelevant for future generations, not identifying fascism before it goes too far (too late for that here). This is the first time I have ever made that comparison. Y'all have been whining about the Left doing this since at least early 2024, just like good Germans said everyone was overreacting about Hitler throughout the '30s. When are you going to realize they were right?


I would have cared about it under President Clinton... except ICE didn't even exist until 2003, more than 3 years after he left office. What an embarrassing, stupid whataboutism for you to play, all while accusing me of whataboutism. President Obama never weaponized ICE against US citizens in locations chosen specifically to get revenge on his perceived enemies. Your equivocating is pathetic.
It’s actually been a huge political gift to Walz, Frey, Omar and the rest even prior to Pretti’s death as it’s diverted attention away from the billions of fraud that’s occurred in Minnesota so there’s that.
 

Ghost of Dattier

Freshman
Oct 27, 2025
147
74
28
Second part first. The INS handled immigration enforcement under Clinton, doing the same things Ice is responsible for now. Under W, the Ins was split into three different agencies Ice being one of them. A distinction without a real difference.

There is an enormous and dangerous difference, however, between the actions of Ice in Minnesota and the Holocaust. The Holocaust was a state engineered genocide. 6 m Jews were systematically dehumanized, stripped of their rights, starved, tortured, and murdered. If everything is now a genocide, then nothing is.

Comparing the actions of Ice to the horrors of the Holocaust doesn’t mean you’re on moral high ground. It means you’re digging yourself a new bottom. This comparison doesn’t use history to warn us of what might be next. It erases history.

Demand that those responsible for Alex Pretti’s death be held responsible. Good.
Advocate for immigration reform if you think it’s in the best interest of our nation. Even better.
But for the love of God, quit co-opting another group’s historical suffering for cheap political points.

As for the “embarassing” and “stupid” remarks, it won’t deter me in the future for pointing out the Left’s hypocrisy about foreign conflicts. The “Palestinian” cause is supposedly all about human rights and freeing those from “oppression”, yet again these same people are silent about thousands of protesters killed in Iran but can’t stfu about two killed in Minnesota. Of course we all hold the US govt to higher standards of conduct than Iran’s, but the disconnect is alarming nonetheless.

And has Trump chosen these locations to exact revenge? Really? You are aware that ICE has conducted many operations in red states like Florida without incident. Perhaps these cities like Minneapolis were chosen because of their sanctuary city status and their refusal to comply with immigration law? Would you concede that’s a possibility or would that interfere too much with your lazy Trump’s on a revenge kick narrative?
Fine.
It's the fascism, not the genocide.
It's the fascism, not the genocide.
It's the fascism, not the genocide.
Better?

It's not coopting or cheapening the Holocaust whatsoever. It's accurately pointing out the connection.

Name one time any American citizen was murdered by INS a thousand miles from our Southern border under Presients Obama or Clinton.

The only reason conservatives care about Muslims dying in Syria and Iran and Gaza is as a distraction from what's happening in our own country. America First until it's convenient to distract from a shameful truth about America. And you have the nerve to claim I'm the one using whataboutisms.

President Trump has shown in word and deed that he is on a revenge tour. You're an embarrassment.
 

Ghost of Dattier

Freshman
Oct 27, 2025
147
74
28
It’s actually been a huge political gift to Walz, Frey, Omar and the rest even prior to Pretti’s death as it’s diverted attention away from the billions of fraud that’s occurred in Minnesota so there’s that.
lol
The "billions" of fraud is a made-up reason after the fact. You can't even keep this straight from post to post. Just one post ago it was because Minneapolis is a sanctuary city. Just like our current administration, you bring up alleged fraud later.

And "billions"? And using ICE to investigate fraud? Bullcrap.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: dukesince91

KDSTONE

All-Conference
Oct 15, 2004
5,487
3,760
40
lol
The "billions" of fraud is a made-up reason after the fact. You can't even keep this straight from post to post. Just one post ago it was because Minneapolis is a sanctuary city. Just like our current administration, you bring up alleged fraud later.

And "billions"? And using ICE to investigate fraud? Bullcrap.
Never said that Ice is investigating the fraud. Said that Walz and the others have benefited from attention being diverted from the fraud. The fraud was in the news long before Renee Good and Pretti were killed.

Walz resigned due to growing scrutiny concerning the fraud two days before Renee Good was killed. One has little to do with the other except for the fact the protests and the subsequent deaths have allowed Walz to play governor again
 
Last edited:

KDSTONE

All-Conference
Oct 15, 2004
5,487
3,760
40
@Mac9192 , @KDSTONE -- y'all are sycophantic cowards. GMLY.

I'll spend the rest of my energy this snowday calling my Senators to end DHS funding and impeach Sec'y Noem. Big middle finger for both of you.
I’ve called for those responsible for Pretti’s death to be held accountable and have even called into question Noem’s competency level. How does that make me a sycophant again? Oh yeh I had the audacity to call you out for your inflammatory rhetoric. Forgot who I was dealing with. Enjoy your snow day courtesy of the tax payer.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mac9192

KDSTONE

All-Conference
Oct 15, 2004
5,487
3,760
40
lol
The "billions" of fraud is a made-up reason after the fact. You can't even keep this straight from post to post. Just one post ago it was because Minneapolis is a sanctuary city. Just like our current administration, you bring up alleged fraud later.

And "billions"? And using ICE to investigate fraud? Bullcrap.
Yes billions most likely. A preliminary estimate not a final audit but we’ll see how it all shakes out. Looking forward to it.

 

DuckDevil

Redshirt
Nov 24, 2025
95
20
8
A letter from Alex Pretti’s Final Nursing Student:

“I was Alex Pretti’s final nursing student. He was my friend and my nursing mentor. For the past four months, I stood shoulder to shoulder with him during my capstone preceptorship at the Minneapolis VA Hospital. There he trained me to care for the sickest of the sick as an ICU nurse. He taught me how to care for arterial and central lines, the intricacies of managing multiple IVs filled with lifesaving solutions, and how to watch over every heartbeat, every breath, and every flicker of life, ready to act the moment they wavered. Techniques intended to heal.

Alex carried patience, compassion and calm as a steady light within him. Even at the very end, that light was there. I recognized his familiar stillness and signature calm composure shining through during those unbearable final moments captured on camera.

It does not surprise me that his final words were, “Are you okay?” Caring for people was at the core of who he was. He was incapable of causing harm. He lived a life of healing, and he lived it well.

Alex believed strongly in the Second Amendment and in the rights rooted in our Constitution and its amendments. He spoke out for justice and peace whenever he could, not only out of obligation, but out of a belief that we are more connected than divided, and that communication would bring us together.

I want his family to know his legacy lives on. I am a better nurse because of the wisdom and skills he instilled in me. I carry his light with me into every room, letting it guide and steady my hands as I heal and care for those in need.

Please honor my friend by standing up for peace, preferably with a cup of black coffee in hand and a couple of pieces of candy in your pocket, just as he would. He would remind you that caring for others is hard work, and we must do whatever it takes to get through the long shifts. Step outside with your dog, breathe in the world, hike or bike as he loved to do, and let yourself find peace in the quiet moments within nature. Stand up for justice and speak with those whose views differ from your own. Hold your beliefs with strength, but always extend love outward, even in the face of adversity.

Take one step, no matter how small, to help heal our world. Through these acts, carry his light forward in his name. Let his legacy continue to heal.”



This is the American citizen that Border Patrol murdered. This is the man that JD Vance, Stephen Miller, Kristi Noem, and Greg Bovino are calling a domestic terrorist, an assassin. The same thing they did to Renee Good. Two days later, they continue to lie and defame this person. A human being whose life is now over.

How morally bankrupt are these people? How morally bankrupt are the people who continue to blindly support them? They didn’t even put those agents on leave pending an investigation. They put them right back out on the street. Why? Because the Trump administration endorses, supports, and protects this type of behavior and violence.

Senate Democrats should shut down the government Friday over DHS funding. No more money until reforms are made. New leadership and policies for these departments, no more wearing mask, no more ignoring due process, etc. This madness needs to stop.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Ghost of Dattier

Mac9192

Heisman
Jan 25, 2017
9,500
13,731
107
His death is a tragedy, and maybe the ICE agent is guilty. No one on the left though wants to talk about the elephant in the room. Which is, protest peacefully. The ICE agents are going city to city catching illegals, many of them charged with vicious crimes.

They are on high alert because the loons harass them, get in their face, or try to run them over with their car.

I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but if I was protesting, I’d do it in a peaceful manner. Not how these whack jobs are.
 

Ghost of Dattier

Freshman
Oct 27, 2025
147
74
28
Alex Pretti and the woman he was protecting before he was murdered were peaceful. Renee Good was peaceful. ChongLy Thao was minding his own business in his home when ICE broke in and dragged him outside in his underwear. Off-duty BIPOC LEO are being stopped by ICE and harassed about their citizenship.

Exercising Constitutional rights is never a reason to be murdered.

You're not even the sharpest spoon in the drawer, mac.
 

Mac9192

Heisman
Jan 25, 2017
9,500
13,731
107
You still don’t just drink the Kool Aid Datt, you bathe in it. Good and Pretti were agitators, to say the least. Why are they confronting officers paid to do a job? Because they’re loons, just like you.

They shouldn’t be dead, and yes it’s tragic they are. But stop pretending they are only the victims. Protest peacefully and obey officers. Sounds like a formula to stay out of trouble.
 
Last edited:

DuckDevil

Redshirt
Nov 24, 2025
95
20
8
You still don’t just drink the Kool Aid Datt, you bathe in it. Good and Pretti were agitators, to say the least. Why are they confronting officers paid to do a job? Because they’re loons, just like you.

They shouldn’t be dead, and yes it’s tragic they are. But stop pretending they are only the victims. Protest peacefully and obey officers. Sounds like a formula to stay out of trouble.
The logic you're using here is unconstitutional, illegal, and un-American.

1st Amendment
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

2nd Amendment
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

4th Amendment
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Glik v. Cunniffe (2011) - ruled that the First Amendment clearly protects the right to openly record police officers performing their duties in public, and officers may be held liable for violating that right.

Absolutely nothing that Alex Pretti did violated the law. Enabling this type of behavior and policy will lead to dire consequences in the future. What happens when these tactics are turned on “your” group?
 

Ghost of Dattier

Freshman
Oct 27, 2025
147
74
28
You still don’t just drink the Kool Aid Datt, you bathe in it. Good and Pretti were agitators, to say the least. Why are they confronting officers paid to do a job? Because they’re loons, just like you.

They shouldn’t be dead, and yes it’s tragic they are. But stop pretending they are only the victims. Protest peacefully and obey officers. Sounds like a formula to stay out of trouble.
Learn new metaphors, mac. You're boring.

Neither of them were confrontational or threatening. They were both peaceful. Agitation is not illegal. You're such an apologist for anything this regime does. You might as well say that as long as you hide under your bed all day, you won't get killed.
 

Ghost of Dattier

Freshman
Oct 27, 2025
147
74
28
The odds of these tactics happening to “my group?” Slim to none. My group obeys the law, if they do protest, they do it peacefully, and don’t get confrontational with LEO’s.
Neither Alex Pretti nor Renee Good were confrontational. They were both peaceful. Renee Good's last words were, "That's fine, dude. I'm not mad at you." Alex Pretti's last words were, "Are you okay?"

I hope to God that if ICE ever were to show up in Statesboro or Salisbury, whichever you're from, you wouldn't stand on the curb watching your neighbors get beaten saying, "Mmm-mmm-mmm, shoulda complied, shoulda complied." Because if you would, you're exactly the sycophantic coward I said you were earlier. And if you wouldn't, you'd be doing exactly what Alex Pretti did when he tried to help up a woman who had been shoved to the ground for no reason.
 

KDSTONE

All-Conference
Oct 15, 2004
5,487
3,760
40

LEOs speak out against ICE's current operation


Neither Alex Pretti nor Renee Good were confrontational. They were both peaceful. Renee Good's last words were, "That's fine, dude. I'm not mad at you." Alex Pretti's last words were, "Are you okay?"

I hope to God that if ICE ever were to show up in Statesboro or Salisbury, whichever you're from, you wouldn't stand on the curb watching your neighbors get beaten saying, "Mmm-mmm-mmm, shoulda complied, shoulda complied." Because if you would, you're exactly the sycophantic coward I said you were earlier. And if you wouldn't, you'd be doing exactly what Alex Pretti did when he tried to help up a woman who had been shoved to the ground for no reason
Renee Good used her vehicle to impede an Ice operation for three minutes, refused a direct order to exit the vehicle, and then attempted to speed off, grazing an officer. None of this may have justified her shooting, but it’s certainly far beyond “peaceful protest”.
 

Ghost of Dattier

Freshman
Oct 27, 2025
147
74
28
Renee Good used her vehicle to impede an Ice operation for three minutes, refused a direct order to exit the vehicle, and then attempted to speed off, grazing an officer. None of this may have justified her shooting, but it’s certainly far beyond “peaceful protest”.
Everything you're twisting in that narrative is to justify her murder. She wasn't attempting to "speed off." Her wheels were turned to the side. Jonathan Ross deliberately positioned himself in front of a moving vehicle and pulled his gun before she started forward. He walked around uninjured afterward. No medical report has been released to support the claim that he was hit or injured.

You're repeating lies like a good sycophantic sheep.
 

KDSTONE

All-Conference
Oct 15, 2004
5,487
3,760
40
Everything you're twisting in that narrative is to justify her murder. She wasn't attempting to "speed off." Her wheels were turned to the side. Jonathan Ross deliberately positioned himself in front of a moving vehicle and pulled his gun before she started forward. He walked around uninjured afterward. No medical report has been released to support the claim that he was hit or injured.

You're repeating lies like a good sycophantic sheep.
Get new insults. You’re like a deranged parrot who just learned a new dirty word.
I’ve specifically stated that I don’t think her shooting was justified. I was merely explaining how your description of her as a “peaceful protester” was inaccurate. I’ve questioned DHS’ handling of these deaths, the Ice agents’ behavior, and even suggested that one or more of the officers involved could be charged with murder or at the very least manslaughter in the death of Pretti.
You, meanwhile, have not deviated in anyway from the Leftist script. If I’m a sheep, what does that make you?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mac9192

KDSTONE

All-Conference
Oct 15, 2004
5,487
3,760
40
Everything you're twisting in that narrative is to justify her murder. She wasn't attempting to "speed off." Her wheels were turned to the side. Jonathan Ross deliberately positioned himself in front of a moving vehicle and pulled his gun before she started forward. He walked around uninjured afterward. No medical report has been released to support the claim that he was hit or injured.

You're repeating lies like a good sycophantic sheep

 

DuckDevil

Redshirt
Nov 24, 2025
95
20
8
I think what makes this whole episode even more disgusting is that the escalation in ICE and Border Patrol operations in Minnesota (and elsewhere) since December, the abduction of Maduro, the Greenland stuff, is nothing more than a distraction to take the focus off the fact that the Trump administration has still not released the Epstein files even though they were legally required to do so on December 19th.

At best, Donald Trump is a pedophile protector, at worst, he was a willing participant in Epstein's crimes. Where is the outrage concerning this issue? How many American citizens will be sacrificed to keep the files secret? What fake news story will the administration manufacture next to keep people from talking about Epstein?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Ghost of Dattier