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rupittsburgh

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1) Since I was going here a decade and a half ago maybe longer.

2) IDK what the point is of this comment is. Again the section is for Athletics to determine what to do with.

3) They aren't doing that.
 
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rupittsburgh

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That doesn't even make any sense here. You're lost.
That doesn't even make any sense here. You're lost.
Because you are telling Athletics what to do with their tickets. The students arnt entitled to anymore tickets than what is appropriated to them. They get a lot of tickets and when the RAC is redone I am sure they will get more. Which I am sure the same people will ***** about because the students will get first 6 rows of the sidelines.
 
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RutgersRaRa

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Where does $2 million a year come from? 500 students times 20 games a year at $75/ticket is $750K. They’d probably just build it into student fees spread across all undergrads, so it would cost each student about $20-25/year extra on their bills to keep the AD neutral.
The people who sit in those seats donate more money than the season ticket prices and mandatory donations. Many of the folks in the lower section of the RAC are also season-ticket holders and donors to football (the Towers, for example), so displacing these longstanding and donating people will result in a rapid depletion of funds. And even if the reduction of revenue was only $750k, not only is that a lot of money for our athletics department, it doesn't solve a problem because there is no problem that needs to be solved other than students finding out ahead of time that they've got tickets.

Another problem this would create is for the people in the 200's who have been waiting to move down to the 100's when something opens up. They won't ever get down there, and that will alienate them as well. It's just a thoughtless idea with no upside for a non-problem. It creates a lot more problems than it would solve, since there is nothing to solve in this instance.
 
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rcube1994

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Can someone explain to me the benefits of students sitting along the sidelines? We already have an awesome atmosphere so what is the benefit?
 

GORU2014

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The people who sit in those seats donate more money than the season ticket prices and mandatory donations. Many of the folks in the lower section of the RAC are also season-ticket holders and donors to football (The Towers, for example), so displacing these longstanding and donating people will result in a rapid depletion of funds. And even if the reduction of revenue was only $750k, not only is that a lot of money for our athletics department, it doesn't solve a problem because there is no problem that needs to be solved other than students finding ahead ahead of time that they've got tickets.

Another problem that this would create is for the people in the 200's who have been waiting to move down to the 100's when something opens up. They won't ever get down there, and that will alienate them as well. It's just a thoughtless idea with no upside for a non-problem. It creates a lot more problems than it would solve, since there is nothing to solve in this instance.
We’d still have premium and courtside seats, and donations wouldn’t go to zero. The ticket revenue would likely be made up through increased student fees. Some people from the 200s would be able to move to the 100s on the baselines in the renovated arena.

The better solution is probably having students on both baselines behind the baskets (lower value seats and would interfere with opponents’ shooting in both halves), but I’m sure it will be fine no matter what as long as the team is still good.
 
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RutgersRaRa

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We’d still have premium and courtside seats, and donations wouldn’t go to zero. The ticket revenue would likely be made up through increased student fees. Some people from the 200s would be able to move to the 100s on the baselines in the renovated arena.

The better solution is probably having students on both baselines behind the baskets (lower value seats and would interfere with opponents’ shooting in both halves), but I’m sure it will be fine no matter what as long as the team is still good.
Totally agree with the students behind the baskets on both sides. Not sure what the arrangement is with the ticket holders opposite the student section, but if there is a push for more student seating, that would be a likely place to alter that section. But that also needs to be weighed against the revenue generated by newly minted season-ticket holders.

As for transferring the revenue from the 100's people to the student fees, that would be a shitshow media-wise and from the teachers who oppose athletics. We need to keep as much money coming from the private sector as possible. The bottom line is that there isn't a problem here, only people suggesting that there's a problem for which they (of course) have the solution.

As is common with the internet and people disconnected from a sense of tradeoffs, they see a squirrel in their back yard and want to bring in an Abrams tank.
 
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RutgersRaRa

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We can't act like we've been there or spend like we've been there until we've gotten there and have those resources. For ****'s sake, it takes 15 minutes for us to take a piss at halftime, so the picture above is tendentious in our situation. As nice as it is to see arms waving in a picture and imagine that being us, those who follow the money trail know it has to come from somewhere. If down the line we have a history and the money of Duke, we can consider such wholesale changes, but we finally (finally!) have something that is working right now, and in true internet fashion some are considering going scorched earth on the big donors and the most loyal fans over the decades. The students matter, but Rutgers fans' status as alumni lasts much longer. What message would it send to students that the administration doesn't value their loyalty once they graduate?
 

S_Janowski

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Can someone explain to me the benefits of students sitting along the sidelines? We already have an awesome atmosphere so what is the benefit?

There really aren’t any.

The RAC is well known to have one of the best home court advantages in the country right now.

Moving the students to the sideline doesn’t provide any tangible increase in value/home court advantage.
 

biazza38

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SO WHAT? I am as big of a football fan as there is, **** I’m literally the only fan of the program who was chosen to be on the Big Ten special about the Louisville game, but I am 100% against this. Those seats ALWAYS should be for the students if they can fill them. If they can’t fill them, fine, then put the recruits at the top of the section. There’s absolutely no need to do this. No other school in the country does it as such.
You basically just said we should never allocate basketball tickets for recruits in the student section
 

RUinLondon

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You basically just said we should never allocate basketball tickets for recruits in the student section
Yes, he did. Dude is all over the place. Earlier in the thread he said the recruits should be given crappy seats and forced to stand. I'm sure that will help Coach Schiano secure commitments.
I am as big of a football fan as there is, **** I’m literally the only fan of the program who was chosen to be on the Big Ten special about the Louisville game,
LOL. I guess we all have to agree with your incoherent rants, then.

EDIT: Hey @AreYouNUTS, get off your high horse. You have been banned from this board before as well. Instead of crying and begging for people to be sent away when they challenge your many loud declarations and scarlet-colored predictions, maybe try being a man and defending your positions instead of trying to silence others.

And no, you are not special or entitled to a different set of rules because you are "literally the only fan of the program who was chosen to be on the Big Ten special." The fact that you would even bring that up while arguing with @rupittsburgh is pathetic in itself. Being on some TV show for a few minutes doesn't mean your opinions are more valid than anyone else's. Unreal!
 
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AreYouNUTS

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2) IDK what the point is of this comment is. Again the section is for Athletics to determine what to do with.

3) They aren't doing that.
1) the ENTIRE section is not just for RU Athletics; not sure where you’re getting this info?

3) Why not? WHY do 100 people or so - sitting on their asses and talking on their phones - get to take up about 250 seats which could be otherwise packed with students actually cheering?
 

AreYouNUTS

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Yes, he did. Dude is all over the place. Earlier in the thread he said the recruits should be given crappy seats and forced to stand.
I'm not "all over the place." My stance is and always has been that football recruits shouldn't be given the 1st 10-20 rows of the student section. Period. I've felt this way from day one and would say the same thing if we won The Rose Bowl last year. That being said nowhere - NOWHERE - did I EVER say that football recruits should be "FORCED TO STAND." I said that they should be put "in the 300's." That's it. On the other hand I was joking that the band should "stand," that's all, as they literally use to be ON THE FLOOR at THE RAC when many of us, @Scarlet Shack, @PatrickRU92, @SirScarlet and others, were students. Most people here knew exactly what I meant by that, btw, hence the complete lack of responses to me regarding the comment other than yours. Maybe I shouldn't have included it in the same (punctuated) sentence so that your brain could've figured it out instead of coming off as a 75-moniker obsesses idiotic creep again?

75 or so monikers...man....you should step back and THINK about that for a moment. Talk about being "all over the place." Yikes.
 

rupittsburgh

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1) the ENTIRE section is not just for RU Athletics; not sure where you’re getting this info?

3) Why not? WHY do 100 people or so - sitting on their asses and talking on their phones - get to take up about 250 seats which could be otherwise packed with students actually cheering?
1. I mean watch any game Rutgers plays they Athletics doesn't give those to students and don't sell them. I have been going to Rutgers basketball for two decades and it has always been that way.
2. Because Athletics deems those tickets can be used for whatever they want. Which is usually giving them to athletes to use or other athletic programs for bringing in recruits and families. They are well within their rights to do so and it is good for other athletic programs at the school.
 

AreYouNUTS

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1. I mean watch any game Rutgers plays they Athletics doesn't give those to students and don't sell them. I have been going to Rutgers basketball for two decades and it has always been that way.
2. Because Athletics deems those tickets can be used for whatever they want. Which is usually giving them to athletes to use or other athletic programs for bringing in recruits and families. They are well within their rights to do so and it is good for other athletic programs at the school.
Okay...let me put it this way: those ARE student section seats. They just at times, however, "choose" to use them otherwise and have only done so, cough-cough, since GS arrived (approx "2 decades ago). Get what I'm saying? As someone who has sat in 110 as a student many times, and been to 100's of games at THE RAC, I can tell you with 100% certainty that there were (even during The Douby Days - when I assume you were in school - ) and will be again this season I'd bet, regular old students in those seats.

I completely get what you're saying, I honestly do and don't want to argue, but there's a reason you may have heard here-or-there that they are "athletic department" seats the past 2 decades. "Follow the bouncing ball" so-to-speak lol!
 

rupittsburgh

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Okay...let me put it this way: those ARE student section seats. They just at times, however, "choose" to use them otherwise and have only done so, cough-cough, since GS arrived (approx "2 decades ago). Get what I'm saying? As someone who has sat in 110 as a student many times, and been to 100's of games at THE RAC, I can tell you with 100% certainty that there were (even during The Douby Days - when I assume you were in school - ) and will be again this season I'd bet, regular old students in those seats.

I completely get what you're saying, I honestly do and don't want to argue, but there's a reason you may have heard here-or-there that they are "athletic department" seats the past 2 decades. "Follow the bouncing ball" so-to-speak lol!
I get you admit I was right that this has been going on for decades, it won't change and it will keep happening. Those seats are not reserved for students and are very rarely if ever given to students.
 

AreYouNUTS

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I get you admit I was right that this has been going on for decades, it won't change and it will keep happening. Those seats are not reserved for students and are very rarely if ever given to students.
It hasn't been going on for "decades." It's been going on since sometime during GS 1.0 (so 2 decades at best) however definitely not when Douby was playing.
 
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