How in the world can you definitively say the next coach won’t be any better, when literally every coach in program history has been better?
Should Frost be fired?
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How in the world can you definitively say the next coach won’t be any better, when literally every coach in program history has been better?
I don't believe that general fans want him to stay. I think, at best, half want him to stay.
That's not good.
I think the people that hitched onto the Frost wagon were already planting the seeds of he is staying forever, no matter what. They were/are vocal, they were/are pushy.
It doesn't make anyone less of a fan to want to part with Frost. However, it does give me pause when someone wants to continue with Frost while he has shown a statistically horrible performance.
It is the University of Nebraska. It is not the University of Scott Frost.
Which one are you all a fan of?
That is wrong. If he was not an ex Husker, be would have been fired after two losing seasons. These seasons aren't even close to winning seasons. We can day he hasn't gotten blown out this year but I think that is still to come.
Frost will turn the corner, but corner going the other way.
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3-5 (to be continued)
Frost seemed to be okay with it when he was on the other end of the line last time.
Not sure how long you have been posting here, but you should keep f'ing doing it.
How the flying **** is a head coach being contacted about a job any different than a recruiter contacting an employed person? I don't know what ******* **** some of you come up with sometimes. Your post is complete insanity.
Years ago I was pretty active. I also had another name before but my account was tied to an email I don't have access to anymore. So I just rolled with this one.
I'm mad as hell and not going to take this anymore.
Only half the general fans want Frost to stay at best is my bet and they have been more vocal. That changes this week.
******** to hire a guy after Riley runs the program into the ground and expect him to build it up perfectly in 4 years.
Frost has made mistakes, but he needs more time.
Frost has made mistakes, but he needs more time.
If he was able to beat teams that he should beat now, like Illinois and Minnesota, there might be something to what you are saying. But his team was poorly prepared for those games and they lost them both. There's no reason to think things will change next year or the year after that.
I didn't mention it in my previous post because I didn't want to cloud the main point, but you are right exactly right about being on good terms with them afterward. One younger Asian lady we "encouraged" to leave emailed me about her new job and checked in with me periodically for several years. Getting let go from my firm was the best thing that ever happened to her.
Frost looked pretty miserable at his post game presser. The guy is set for life. I don't understand why he wants to keep on being coach at Nebraska, but then, I never fancied myself as some kind of savior who needed to persevere through my misery.
Someone in the NFL once coined the term 'its a copy cat league' and I really see this is comming full circle in sports fandom in general. Every program in america wants to fire their head coach if he isnt winning within 3 years after taking over. This mind set has taken over many programs in all sports and I think its because of the talking head media that just constantly talks about drama because it brings in ratings and its just out of control IMO. Listening to the Local sports media this week has been just a joke they all but said fire Frost. I have watched every game for years and see the progress right in front of my eyes. WIns? NO....but actual improvement? Yes. Look at the line (very young) but when Riley was here they had giant bellies and looked totally out of shape.. Frost talked about this when he was first hired... now at least we can see that our players are hitting the weight room and have better nutririon not to mention in better shape. Thats a big deal to me. I think he finally has his team that reflects his style of play and I dont mean results I mean a team that fights and never gives up. His UCF teams played exactly the same way... some of those big games were dog fights that went back and forth and his teams kept scratching and clawing there way back too win games... I see the same thing in now.. the results just are not there yet but its clear we have a good core team. One thing I learned after they fired Solich is that not many coaches want to come here and we finally have a guy that is a real up and comer and a hometown guy and the midwit fanbase wants to run him out of town instead of sticking with the process and in time will have a guy who will never leave... They use to talk about Neb fans as being the most Knowledgeable fanbases in football but now we seem to follow the 'its a copy cat league" talking heads that want to burn it all down again.
Didn't LSU do the opposite of this by setting up an agreement with Orgeron that he would leave after the season? It doesn't get any more transparent than that.
********. We are as bad or worse and all signs point to us getting even worse.
The roster is mainly Frost recruits now. You can lie to yourself all you want about the situation but I'm going to call any ******** out when someone let's it leak out if their mouth.
Nope. They were reaching out to coaches before they started conversations with Orgeron.
Apparently you havent watch Nebraska this year.
Minnesota and Illinois games sucked. Nebraska played well in the others.
I don't see how he is still happy here. If he has anymore losing seasons we are sabotaging any future football career.
He doesn't look happy. He looks like someone who knows his staff relies on him for a paycheck.
If he wants his staff to get their buyouts, he either can't quit, or would have to work a negotiated stepping down. I can't fault him as a person for being loyal...but how many times has being too loyal bit Nebraska coaching staffs in the ***?
I mean, coming to work at noon kind of telegraphs that the desire is no longer there. He was HC at CFU for 2 years. He probably had no idea what the demands were for being a long term coach. He may very well not want to do this anymore and will not do it anymore.
So you care more about losing close than actually winning. You want to know what happens to programs with that type of mentality? They become IL and MN. The WORST thing a program with a winning history to do is accept losing.
Keeping Frost would make Nebraska a step closer to Kansas. Kansas is so far beyond being competitive that they may never recover the rest of our lifetime. Recruiting under Frost is so bad that it ranks last at the P5 level. You want to know what will happen if you kept Frost, he sucks **** again, you fire hime, and you have another ****** recruiting class? You have now destoryed 1/4 to 1/3 of your roster to FCS level talent.
Your moral victories still end up as Ls in the record books. There is no asterisk for "Playing hard".
You win or lose. Spare us the participation trophies.
You win or lose. Spare us the participation trophies.
last year #18 according to rivals.com so recruiting is good
I think he was referring to 2022. Number 83 nestled in between Miami of Ohio and Northern Illinois. Not so bad huh?
You don't get it. There's zero momentum in recruiting for future classes too. Zero. Since the 2023 class will be bigger, you severely damage the roster by keeping a failing coach since recruits will have no interest in coming. that results in taking FCS level talent.
There are no signs pointing to us getting worse. Of course it’s been almost four years and we still aren’t any good, but we are not getting worse, there is no way you really think that.
2018 25 ranked 21
2019 28 ranked 15
2020 26 ranked 17
2021 20 ranked 18
so ya this year will have less recruits... many scholarships do you think are available?? lol we are fine just need to build the culture now
no you are just looking at quantity with only like 6 players or so on our list this year
There are plenty of signs pointing to us getting worse. This class is shaping up pretty poorly.
Don't waste your breath on selling me the quality over quantity / small class stuff either.
There isn't much quality and it's looking worse.
Every time a new HC is hired, fans generally consider that first class a throwaway. At this rate, we can keep Frost and have a class as bad or worse than a 1st year coach's throwaway.
We have players that are good enough to start in quality teams elsewhere. If Frost only wins 1 or less games for the rest of the year, how many do you think we are going to lose?
The only thing that is sunny is the future recruiting classes, but they don't mean much to me and the closer those kids get to signing day, the more they are going to start thinking about their future. At this rate Nebraska's future doesn't look bright.
You can pump sunshine all day long but that doesn't change the reality of it.
No Blueblood lets a coach churn out losing seasons like we have. The reason for that is showing up this year, recruiting is going to suffer and the transfer portal is going to hurt us. Our coaches simply can't recruit around our record in living rooms.
No blue bloods let a coach lose like we are with our coach because it can cause long term damage. If we keep Frost and he fails? We will be worse off than before he was hired.
You sound insane. Do you even read this board? I’m pumping sunshine? Jesus, get a clue.
BTW, the vast majority of at your wrote is nonsense. Our best players aren’t leaving, the good classes aren’t suddenly bad. I’m as frustrated as anyone and have made my thoughts known. But I do try to live in reality.
We will see. You have shown nothing other than weak insults.
You got nothing else.
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Fun fact. We are in between Houston and Temple for average star rating.
We are dead last in the Big Ten recruiting wise.
We couldn't win against the Big Ten with our prior classes...I wonder what our chances are going to be when we start being out recruited.
We couldn't win against the Big Ten with our prior classes...I wonder what our chances are going to be when we start being out recruited.
Again. WTF are you talking about? I know our star rating, I know our record, I’m not “pumping sunshine” at all. Maybe read the board, read my posts, get a clue before you make yourself look stupid.
You seriously seem like a crazy person.
It doesn't matter to Ohio St who the coach is at Nebraska, we are just on another level right now compared to the rest of the conference. Plus I think we are going to cycle off and not play each other for awhile anyways, unless it's in Indy.
headcard, I always have respected your opinion. I think you are dead wrong in this assumption, however. It is about momentum. Frost has created ZERO, NONE, NADA momentum, nor has he created any excitement around the program. In fact, he has damaged his own brand with some of his public comments. The one thing that gave me hope and a feeling that maybe he needed a chance to right the ship, was the mirage of a possible offensive identity. I say mirage, because of everything that we began to see in the MSU/Mich games reverted right back to Illinois-type game planning. I had hope after Rutgers last year. I had hope after MSU and Michigan this year. I was wrong. Recruiting is now reflecting this. If you are not getting better, you are getting worse.
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This isn’t a new phenomenon. Pretty sure coaches have been fired for performance from the very start of college football.
I will continue to call it as I see it.
However I will buy you a beer and a shot if we ever run into each other for putting up with my crazy ***.
That may be true, but you don't go from sucking to instantly being good.
Look at Kentucky.
They sucked for years and it's taken Mark Stoops a long time to build them up. They were recently ranked 11th.
The armchair quarterbacks demanding wins or Scott's head are clueless what its taken to get where we are from the dark days of Riley.
Mark Stoops took Kentucky to a bowl game in a harder conference within 4 seasons. Your comparison failed. And his recruiting only kept getting better, not worse.