Please email Pat

RU_DIO

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I emailed Pat during the game asking him to please fire Ash and fix the program. $10 million to get rid of Ash sounds like a bargain. Get rid of him and bring in a coach who can make us winners again. 8-12 thousand fans at a B1G game is a joke.
 

KevH

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Gentlemen, there is no math that supports firing Ash after this season. Everyone who touts the "empty seats" angle is either overstating or just plain ignoring the numbers.

Absent a donor buyout *and* donor-led subsidy of a significantly upgraded coaching staff - so figure something like $20 million, total - there's zero appetite among Barchi & BOG to throw good money after bad just for the sake of "winning".

Sadly, I believe this is our reality. I'd love for Ash to turn this into a success story, but I struggle to see how the perception of his program will allow him to recruit.
 
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Retired711

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I’m curious as to where you found those numbers? Not saying they are wrong.

I have seen some of RU4Real's statistics in the Star-Ledger, which said it took them from Rutgers' figures. If you google, you will find 2018 and 2017 stories that give RU4Real's numbers. We should keep in mind something i've mentioned: that the 31,000 in 2015 was a one-time peak that was probably mostly due to the novelty of playing B1G teams. The 2017 story says that in 2017 we were about where we were at the end of the Big East era.
 

seels2662

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you wanna stop season ticket sales drop and attendance bleeding..go hire Schiano...that would happen if McCormick was President.

Schiano is the only hire that can immediately stop the money bleed and fans leaving in droves
I agree with this.

However I have also heard that he won't come until Barchi is out of here. I do not know however if it is that is Schiano's choice or Barchi's choice.
 

BlockR

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you wanna stop season ticket sales drop and attendance bleeding..go hire Schiano...that would happen if McCormick was President.

Schiano is the only hire that can immediately stop the money bleed and fans leaving in droves
I agree with this.

However I have also heard that he won't come until Barchi is out of here. I do not know however if it is that is Schiano's choice or Barchi's choice.
Its more a Hobbs attitude towards Schiano.Barchi probably dosent know who SCHIANO EVEN IS
 

dollarbill

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All good stuff here. Please release the name of the $3-4 million/year coach who is going to bring top players into this program. I believe the problems here may be deeper, such as do we really belong? $$$$
 

BlockR

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All good stuff here. Please release the name of the $3-4 million/year coach who is going to bring top players into this program. I believe the problems here may be deeper, such as do we really belong? $$$$
could have paid Fleck 3 mill and he would have taken the job..but Hobbs hired Ash
 
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seels2662

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Barchi is an idiot, there are people on this board who think he cares about athletics...well they are flat wrong and have been wrong....this is a guy that refused to even consider spending a penny on a basketball practice facility...even going as far to get into a back and forth argument with Lesniak in the paper. His views on athletics are embarassing
I was thinking about this for a long time. If mods don't like this then they can delete it. Its been hitting my conscience for a while and I'm not sure what side I am on. I just know what to do. The only way to get this situation changed is to go on social media and start a slander campaign against Barchi. Show the world truly how deranged and stupid he is. Make sure you hit the correct markets and let it propigate. Hit it Kavanaugh hard (not saying he's guilty or innocent, but they have been crushing him on social media). Once Barchi's name is garbage everywhere, not just in the sports world but in NJ where we can show how horribly he is letting money go down the drain, then let the ball be on his court and see how fast he tries to spin damage control. I think then he will stop with this foolish penny wise and pound foolish approach.
 
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imo, it would have been better off to stay in the AAC...I firmly believe that a 8-4/9-3/10-2 program would be bringing in solid numbers and support. Its about winning and not the teams you play. RU would have alot of fans onboard if they were contending for the AAC every year even going 8-4...winning matters
That's just an awful statement and untrue. No one wanted us to stay in the AAC. And to not want to be in the B1G no matter how bad things are right now in football is just plain ignorance.
 

RobotHunter

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Gentlemen, there is no math that supports firing Ash after this season. Everyone who touts the "empty seats" angle is either overstating or just plain ignoring the numbers.

Absent a donor buyout *and* donor-led subsidy of a significantly upgraded coaching staff - so figure something like $20 million, total - there's zero appetite among Barchi & BOG to throw good money after bad just for the sake of "winning".
20 million? Where are you getting that number from?
 

bac2therac

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dumbest comments and beliefs are;
1. we don't belong in big
2. we should be playing in a lower league

I don't think we belong in this league...our history is crap except for a few years. The administration and state has shown they do not care..so why should we be in the Big 10...seriously there is a reason most people laughed at our invitation across the country. They invited a school that generally has bad sports programs and admnistration that has never desired to compete in big time athletics

Sorry but after beind duped for 30 years I am not buying it..the evidence is overwhelming
 

bac2therac

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This story says that Lesniak sponsored legislation to provide $25 million in tax credits (presumably to the companies doing the construction), which wouldn't have directly given anything to Rutgers, but would subsidize the cost of construction. The story does not make clear whether the legislation passed. In any event, the project cost over $100 million. https://www.onthebanks.com/2017/10/...-rwjbarnabas-health-ray-lesniak-steve-pikiell

Yes this money came through
 

RUReadyNJ

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Pony up or shut up.

Pony up for what? A program that legitimately wouldn't even be .500 in FCS football yet is in one of the best conferences in the country?

I can't even begin to name the amounts of things I'd much rather "pony up" for than this program at this time. This isn't a fan/alumni support issue. It's also not an issue fan/alumni support can even fix other than making it seem like we're "loyal" when the stadium is kinda full for 1 half of football before we're being ran out of it by conference bottom dwellers and MAC teams.Unless we're ponying up for a Ash buyout.

Hobbs is getting fired and rightfully so. The only thing that can potentially save him is firing Ash sooner rather than later and hoping to God the next guy at least shows promise his first 2-3 years. If we continue down this path for another 2-3 years they both will be gone when we've combined for 3 wins over 4 years and have an average attendance of 7,000 people and average margin of defeat of 30.
 

brookdale-soda

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Current recruits have no recollection of rutgers even playing in competitive games.

A new coach is going to require an AD and head coach team like Mulcahy and schiano. Bash him all you want, but he and Bob had a vision.
 
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MYHATINTHERING

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I don't think we belong in this league...our history is crap except for a few years. The administration and state has shown they do not care..so why should we be in the Big 10...seriously there is a reason most people laughed at our invitation across the country. They invited a school that generally has bad sports programs and admnistration that has never desired to compete in big time athletics

Sorry but after beind duped for 30 years I am not buying it..the evidence is overwhelming
we absolutely belong, we just need an administration that wants to succeed in sports and realizes the ancillary benefits that brings. It's a no brainer, forget the current fb product and go beyond the field
 

bac2therac

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Good luck..the entire BOG has to be removed..I will not be alive 40 years from now. Don't fool yourself. .its not going to change..how they dealt with doling out money for a Schiano replacement said it all
 
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King of S

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Deal.

I can barbecue in my backyard without some cop walking around trying to make a buck and watch on TV without some 19 year old pretending to be a cop sticking their fingers in my fanny pack to see what I carry around with me.

And I’m not emailing anyone. Those jackasses want my money they can call me and give me one good reason I should waste money on this shitshow.
Agree 100% Johnny - these A-hole patrol boys in the parking lot and over zealous door security got to go! Problem is I don't think anyone at Rutgers gives a dam.
 

King of S

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I emailed Pat during the game asking him to please fire Ash and fix the program. $10 million to get rid of Ash sounds like a bargain. Get rid of him and bring in a coach who can make us winners again. 8-12 thousand fans at a B1G game is a joke.
Did Hobbs answer?
 

Knight Shift

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I agree with this.

However I have also heard that he won't come until Barchi is out of here. I do not know however if it is that is Schiano's choice or Barchi's choice.
If it is Schiano's choice, it is a clear sign his ego dwarfs his resume, and he should not be hired. Before all the Schiano "towel boys" pile on me, think about that if that is his demand. While it is true that football drives the athletics bus, as soon as it drives the University bus, I (and I surmise many other fans and donors), I am out.
 

Knight Shift

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Will the last person left on the board please turn out the lights.
You and Plum and other people continuing to pile on still seem to be posting quite a lot. People love to complain. This is not an attack, it is an observation. More people come out of the woodwork after a huge loss or a bad season than when RU is winning. People in NJ particularly love to watch and comment on a train wreck.
 

Knight Shift

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I was thinking about this for a long time. If mods don't like this then they can delete it. Its been hitting my conscience for a while and I'm not sure what side I am on. I just know what to do. The only way to get this situation changed is to go on social media and start a slander campaign against Barchi. Show the world truly how deranged and stupid he is. Make sure you hit the correct markets and let it propigate. Hit it Kavanaugh hard (not saying he's guilty or innocent, but they have been crushing him on social media). Once Barchi's name is garbage everywhere, not just in the sports world but in NJ where we can show how horribly he is letting money go down the drain, then let the ball be on his court and see how fast he tries to spin damage control. I think then he will stop with this foolish penny wise and pound foolish approach.
Umm, no. Really bad idea. Sounds cult-like, like that team in the state to the West of us. Never want to emulate their scumbag status.
 
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Knight Shift

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I don't think we belong in this league...our history is crap except for a few years. The administration and state has shown they do not care..so why should we be in the Big 10...seriously there is a reason most people laughed at our invitation across the country. They invited a school that generally has bad sports programs and admnistration that has never desired to compete in big time athletics

Sorry but after beind duped for 30 years I am not buying it..the evidence is overwhelming
That's a quitter and a loser mentality. You suggestion is worse than Sisyphean- it's quitting part of the way up the hill and letting the boulder run over and kill you. Buck up and stay for the ride. RU will eventually get there.
 

Knight Shift

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Pony up for what? A program that legitimately wouldn't even be .500 in FCS football yet is in one of the best conferences in the country?

I can't even begin to name the amounts of things I'd much rather "pony up" for than this program at this time. This isn't a fan/alumni support issue. It's also not an issue fan/alumni support can even fix other than making it seem like we're "loyal" when the stadium is kinda full for 1 half of football before we're being ran out of it by conference bottom dwellers and MAC teams.Unless we're ponying up for a Ash buyout.

Hobbs is getting fired and rightfully so. The only thing that can potentially save him is firing Ash sooner rather than later and hoping to God the next guy at least shows promise his first 2-3 years. If we continue down this path for another 2-3 years they both will be gone when we've combined for 3 wins over 4 years and have an average attendance of 7,000 people and average margin of defeat of 30.
Your post made me laugh so hard, I spit out my coffee.

Pony up. Organize and get a fund to buy out the head coach if you are so angry. Money talks, and ******** walks. We went through this exercise with Flood, and when it came down to brass tacks, nobody did anything. A bunch of noisy fiddles while Rutgers football burned.

Hobbs is not getting fired while Barchi and the current BOG are here.
 

bac2therac

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Your post made me laugh so hard, I spit out my coffee.

Pony up. Organize and get a fund to buy out the head coach if you are so angry. Money talks, and ******** walks. We went through this exercise with Flood, and when it came down to brass tacks, nobody did anything. A bunch of noisy fiddles while Rutgers football burned.

Hobbs is not getting fired while Barchi and the current BOG are here.


what is the guarantee its used to pay for a buyout....

if Ash isnt getting fired anytime soon then why in the hell should anyone donate or buy season tickets for this crap and charade.
 

Knight Shift

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No,

Not that I was expecting him to but you would think I'd get some type of generic response from one or his staff members.
Because they are working on Saturday afternoon and Sunday to answer random angry e-mails from disgruntled fans? Doubtful.
Any P5 AD will listen to you if you are a donor or potential large donor with a seven or eight figure donation to help him solve the problem.
 

bac2therac

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That's a quitter and a loser mentality. You suggestion is worse than Sisyphean- it's quitting part of the way up the hill and letting the boulder run over and kill you. Buck up and stay for the ride. RU will eventually get there.


lmao..be honest with yourself...Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State....good luck. Its okay to be honest