Please email Pat

[RU#1fan]

kind of think Barchi and Gregg Brown also need a CC on each email..Barchi only takes action when hes inconvenienced by Athletics

Do you have Gregg Brown’s Email address ?
I think Barchi would be a waste of time.

 

[bac2therac]

Here we go again, going down an inconsequential tangent in this thread regarding student body composition...where misconceptions are on display and where some continue to not realize its insignificance relative to attendance at athletic events (esp. compared to other factors such as having consistently winning programs).

Of the approx. 36K undergrad enrollment at New Brunswick, 93% are domestic (with a 90/10 split of in-state/out-of-state). Out of the 33.5K domestic students, about 45% are white/Euro Americans, about 28% are Asian (incl. south and southeast asian) American, 14% Latino/Hispanic American, 8% Black American, and 5% other (incl. mixed race).

It may well be that not enough of the 15K+/- white Americans that are enrolled at NB attend athletic events. Perhaps if more of them cared about athletics success (remember that half are also female, who might be slightly less inclined than males to attend sporting events), then the numbers say they could likely fill up the student section on their own without much difficulty (and more than easily for men's hoops games at the RAC). Of course, we shouldn't realistically expect anywhere near 100% attendance participation, among any demographic of the student body. Believe it or not, some students just have other completely non-sports related interests, activities, clubs, volunteering, part-time jobs, want to play video games all day, study at the library, sleep off their hangovers, or whatever.

So maybe there's an argument that can be made that whites might be falling short of proportional representation at games (at 45% of student seating capacity). If you've ever taken a glance at the student section when its full (or close to it), it's pretty diverse. So who exactly are we pointing the finger at about level of interest in athletic events on campus?

Now let's hear some anecdote about there being a couple non-white students who lived in your dorm who never went to games as students, for whatever reason, and somehow extrapolate that this is an issue across the student body.

disagree..if you go to hoops and football games...1 out of every 2 is not non white....YES there is representation from the non white groups...but its less across the board...YES there are tons of whites that do not go. Do kids with Asian and Indian backgrounds like football and basketball as much as their white counterparts..remember that some of them are first and 2nd generation so its not as ingrained in their dna. Did they grow up playing pop warner, did they grow up with football Saturdays and Sundays. I think we can have a discussion about this without it going off the rails

 

[ruready07]

And I don't disagree on that front...it's likely attributed to built up loyalty. They also probably tend to support the program unconditionally to a greater degree than we could expect to find at Rutgers.

Alabama is a state, Rutgers is the name of a school in NJ. We dont market the school properly, as the state’s flagship university. Crazy thing is, that’s what being successful at sports, particularly football, would allow us to do.

 

[sunsetregret]

Alabama is a state, Rutgers is the name of a school in NJ. We dont market the school properly, as the state’s flagship university. Crazy thing is, that’s what being successful at sports, particularly football, would allow us to do.

The single best marketing tool Rutgers has is that its name is not "the University of New Jersey." The farther away from New Brunswick you get, the more people believe Rutgers is the east coast equivalent of Stanford ... which is exactly what we should want people all over the country to believe. It's not even remotely true, but it is enormously helpful (and has been for the last 20-25 years).

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

The single best marketing tool Rutgers has is that its name is not "the University of New Jersey." The farther away from New Brunswick you get, the more people believe Rutgers is the east coast equivalent of Stanford ... which is exactly what we should want people all over the country to believe. It's not even remotely true, but it is enormously helpful (and has been for the last 20-25 years).

100% this. Anyone who thinks we should change the name just doesn't get out much.

 

[bac2therac]

NJ has a trash reputation outside of this area...why would you want to name it that.....Rutgers is our name and brings prestige that the University of New Jersey just will never have

 

[ruready07]

NJ has a trash reputation outside of this area...why would you want to name it that.....Rutgers is our name and brings prestige that the University of New Jersey just will never have

Oh I’m not suggesting a name change, just saying that I know our name contributes to the lack of interest from the state and a lack of attachment from the average new jerseyan. Most of my family and friends didn’t know Rutgers was even the state school until Schiano started moving the needle.
Anyway , we need to use Rutgers and Rutgers football as a vehicle to do more for the state .. be New Jersey’s team but just happen to have Rutgers written on the jersey - not the other way around.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

University of Texas

Ethnicity/Race

• White: 43.3%
• Hispanic: 20.0%
• Asian: 17.8%
• Foreign: 10.1%
• Black: 3.9%
• 2 or more (excl. Hispanic/Black): 2.6%
• Unknown: 1.3%
• Black (2 or more, excl. Hispanic): 0.7%
• American Indian: 0.2%
• Hawaiian/Pac. Islander: 0.1%

https://www.utexas.edu/about/facts-and-figures

Cal Berkeley is 21% white

https://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data

The idea that race has anything to do with this is beyond asinine.

 

[S_Janowski]

disagree..if you go to hoops and football games...1 out of every 2 is not non white....YES there is representation from the non white groups...but its less across the board...YES there are tons of whites that do not go. Do kids with Asian and Indian backgrounds like football and basketball as much as their white counterparts..remember that some of them are first and 2nd generation so its not as ingrained in their dna. Did they grow up playing pop warner, did they grow up with football Saturdays and Sundays. I think we can have a discussion about this without it going off the rails

I bet a large amount of students you think are “white” at games actually identify as “non-white”.

You would be surprised at the diversity.

Anyways didn’t read the whole thread but this is a dumb discussion. What these other schools have that Rutgers doesn’t have is Atheltic success...and sustained Athletic success.

 

[RUJohnny99]

Wow, I wish I had time to type out a 90s era ASCII ROFLcopter.

The Rutgers name is trash when it comes to football. It always has been, always will be. Rutgers celebrates winning the first football game but glosses over that they lost the next week and every other time they played Princeton until 1938. For 69 years countless graduating classes went to their graves thinking next year is the sleeping giant’s year.

This isn’t Stanford. Stanford is an elite private school with 300+ endowed athletic scholarships. Rutgers has fans bitching because they have to make a $500 donation to get parking that is 3000 feet from the stadium. Fans who think it’s somebody else’s job to fund the program. Fans who would be perfectly happy with Rutgers giving up its world class golf course for a place for them to park 7 days per year.

And Rutgers shows its appreciation for whatever fans are left by unleashing a battalion of police on them every Saturday in body armor with military grade weapons just waiting for their shoot to kill orders to come. Where every person under 21 is presumed a dangerous criminal, and has the means to pay 4 figures to clear their name.

The Rutgers name is a joke. They may as well ***** the name of the school out to Musk or Zuckerberg at this point, in the hopes one of these modern rich guys remembers the school in their will.

 

[ru8081]

Wow, I wish I had time to type out a 90s era ASCII ROFLcopter.

The Rutgers name is trash when it comes to football. It always has been, always will be. Rutgers celebrates winning the first football game but glosses over that they lost the next week and every other time they played Princeton until 1938. For 69 years countless graduating classes went to their graves thinking next year is the sleeping giant’s year.

This isn’t Stanford. Stanford is an elite private school with 300+ endowed athletic scholarships. Rutgers has fans bitching because they have to make a $500 donation to get parking that is 3000 feet from the stadium. Fans who think it’s somebody else’s job to fund the program. Fans who would be perfectly happy with Rutgers giving up its world class golf course for a place for them to park 7 days per year.

And Rutgers shows its appreciation for whatever fans are left by unleashing a battalion of police on them every Saturday in body armor with military grade weapons just waiting for their shoot to kill orders to come. Where every person under 21 is presumed a dangerous criminal, and has the means to pay 4 figures to clear their name.

The Rutgers name is a joke. They may as well ***** the name of the school out to Musk or Zuckerberg at this point, in the hopes one of these modern rich guys remembers the school in their will.

I don't agree with much of what you said but it is true that complete incompetent failure in the two revenue sports harms Rutgers overall reputation. I know, it is not fair, but that is the truth. People think, probably not logically, that if RU Football and basketball can fail for such and long time that the administration throughout the university is Incompetent. I know that is not true but it is hard to battle perception.

 

[LevaosLectures]

The single best marketing tool Rutgers has is that its name is not "the University of New Jersey." The farther away from New Brunswick you get, the more people believe Rutgers is the east coast equivalent of Stanford ... which is exactly what we should want people all over the country to believe. It's not even remotely true, but it is enormously helpful (and has been for the last 20-25 years).

Nobody on earth believes this. Maybe thirty years ago. Not today.

 

[ru66]

if you have kids or grand kids going to RU you know there are plenty of "white suburban " kids going there--and our diversity is a strength not a weakness--stop with this racist crap--yeah the Asians don't eat barbeque crowd now has the same BS logic about sports

 

[fsg2_rivals]

if you have kids or grand kids going to RU you know there are plenty of "white suburban " kids going there--and our diversity is a strength not a weakness--stop with this racist crap--yeah the Asians don't eat barbeque crowd now has the same BS logic about sports

Lmao. Forgot about that.

Some posters really need to think more and post less. Or just post less.

 

[ru66]

the experts around here have no idea what Barchi **** smells like yet they profess to know what **** he cares about--and yes if our base were better than non existent donors maybe Hobbs would listen harder--what, 4000 alumni donated to the Build Fund--all talk and no action that counts with fund raisers ???

 

[RutCorRx]

Mostly Asian.

I think we found the old closeted racist.

 

[Steve91562]

It’s because Alabama is good, actually elite, in football. There wouldn’t be any feel good for Alabama residents if they put up 1–11’s.

Not only that.

Outside the NE, the 'big dog' universities in each state are also the division 1 football schools. Few grow up in Florida wanting to go to Stetson; no, most want to become a Gator or a Seminole, ect., and an intrinsic part of that is supporting the college football team.

In the NE the 'big dog' universities -- Princeton, Yale, Harvard, MIT, ect. -- don't play division 1 football. And frankly there's more of them, geographically, condensed in a smaller area.

Rutgers is competing for attention/loyalty among the local population against these other schools in an atmosphere that is totally different from Alabama, Florida, Texas, ect.

The other factor is that college football down here in the Deep South is so much more important then it is in the northeast. I mean, it's almost a religion.

 

[Retired711]

Now explain USC ... or Georgia, or Texas, or Texas A&M, or LSU, or Ohio State, or Michigan. They are all in close proximity to the full allotment of professional teams. The reason the surrounding area love and respect the schools is because the schools respect themselves enough to treat their athletics departments (particularly football) as if they are important.

Keep in mind that many of those schools had already established themselves as football powers before the NFL reached the area. That makes a difference.

 

[Retired711]

Mostly Asian.

You're probably just making a not-very-good joke, but the reality is that only 25% of Rutgers -NB undergraduate students are Asian. The leading group is white, with 40%.

 

[RU Cheese]

Mostly Asian.

i heard that’s why local BBQ joints struggle

 

[sunsetregret]

Nobody on earth believes this. Maybe thirty years ago. Not today.

Bzzzttt ... I live in Texas now and I hear it all the time. I will mention Rutgers and almost always, someone will say, "That's in the Ivy League, right?" Then someone else will correct them and explain that we're not in the Ivy League and that we're really the east coast's version of Rice.

It was the exact same story when I lived in Los Angeles ... only they substituted Stanford instead. My boss in L.A. (also a Rutgers grad) and I used to laugh about it ("Shhh ... don't tell anyone").

Rutgers reputation increases exponentially the farther you get away from New Jersey.

EDIT: On a related note, I have always believed this was why Schiano was able to recruit Florida so well. And I further believe that if a coach were to market Rutgers football in all distant high school football hotbeds (Texas, California, Louisiana and Florida) as "Your kid gets to graduate from the Stanford/Rice of the northeast and will live across the river from New York City and play in a Power 5 conference" we could pull talented players from all over the country.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

i heard that’s why local BBQ joints struggle

Especially Koreans, never heard of them liking BBQ. They hate it more than the Mongolians, even.

 

[RUOtBOtOR]

Bzzzttt ... I live in Texas now and I hear it all the time. I will mention Rutgers and almost always, someone will say, "That's in the Ivy League, right?" Then someone else will correct them and explain that we're not in the Ivy League and that we're really the east coast's version of Rice.

It was the exact same story when I lived in Los Angeles ... only they substituted Stanford instead. My boss in L.A. (also a Rutgers grad) and I used to laugh about it ("Shhh ... don't tell anyone").

Rutgers reputation increases exponentially the farther you get away from New Jersey.

I can second this. I’m from Florida and when I told them I was going to Rutgers for law school I had to correct many people that it wasn’t Ivy League. It has a great academic reputation outside of the NE.

 

[Retired711]

Bzzzttt ... I live in Texas now and I hear it all the time. I will mention Rutgers and almost always, someone will say, "That's in the Ivy League, right?" Then someone else will correct them and explain that we're not in the Ivy League and that we're really the east coast's version of Rice.

It was the exact same story when I lived in Los Angeles ... only they substituted Stanford instead. My boss in L.A. (also a Rutgers grad) and I used to laugh about it ("Shhh ... don't tell anyone").

Rutgers reputation increases exponentially the farther you get away from New Jersey.

EDIT: On a related note, I have always believed this was why Schiano was able to recruit Florida so well. And I further believe that if a coach were to market Rutgers football in all distant high school football hotbeds (Texas, California, Louisiana and Florida) as "Your kid gets to graduate from the Stanford/Rice of the northeast and will live across the river from New York City and play in a Power 5 conference" we could pull talented players from all over the country.

This post is dead right. We used to see it in recruiting out-of-state students for the Camden law school before it merged with Newark.