Class move by you. I just can’t spend a dime on anything that makes Hobbs look semi-competent.
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How did you specifically direct your gift to molecular bio. Great job contributing to the main mission of Rutgers.
Not a reference to you. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. It was a comment on who he was referring to
I guess I’m wrong about donations, are you implying that RU alums are cheap? Or is it the RU experience we all had was shall we say , less than desirable.
Many grads live in NJ , one of the most affluent in the country, doesn’t add up. I think if we had a couple of revenue sport teams that were good we would have a much easier time raising money.
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It's a common theme that the majority of Rutgers alums feel slighted by their university, especially during their time there, and in return tend to not be the most generous with donations.
If that is the case , the administration should fund some research to figure out why many are disenchanted with their experience here. I graduated a long time ago and have to admit that RU can be a cold place. You either make it or you don’t and it is totally on you.
The campus has undergone a tremendous amount of growth and the facilities are much nicer than they were. I don’t seem to see an temporary classrooms, and those ****** temporary labs we used to have.
We seem to lack an identity as a University, we are not Ivy League and never were we going to be, that is not a bad thing. We are a great state university that Seems to be neglected by the people in Trenton.
I have son that goes to Alabama and I am always amazed in the pride the residents have in their University. Waiters and waitresses, guys at the gas station, etc all love the university. It would be great if we had that support in NJ which takes me back to my first post, maybe they love Alabama because they are always good in football.
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I just want an athletics program that doesn't embarrass me...forget being a winning program.. I just want 6-6 in football and .500 in Bball.. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO FRIGGEN ASK FOR?
Its embarrassing to be terrible in virtually every major sport...how do you even question that?
I agree with that. They should be embarrassed. For themselves. But they don’t embarrass me.
Or because the state of Alabama doesn't have much to offer or be proud of outside of Crimson Tide football. I'm not disagreeing with you in that there should be more state pride in NJ's state U. But Bama sports, high school sports, fishing, hunting and maybe some minor league baseball are the only sports in town.
Here, we have Devils/Giants/Jets/Eagles/Yankees/Mets/Phillies/Flyers/Rangers/Knicks/Nets/Sixers/Islanders and horse racing in addition to high school sports, minor league baseball, fishing, hunting, etc. It's really an apples to oranges comparison.
I don't get how people say stupid **** like this.
It's a beautiful state, with a varied topology, much like New Jersey. Alabama is both a major agricultural producer and a hi-tech industrial state, much like New Jersey.
Agree. I lived and worked in AL for a year on a project after college and have visited a number of times over the years. Nice people there and they support the Crimson Tide. When AL fans part ways with one another after a conversation, you can count on the final words they exchange.
“Roll Tide.”
Now explain USC ... or Georgia, or Texas, or Texas A&M, or LSU, or Ohio State, or Michigan. They are all in close proximity to the full allotment of professional teams. The reason the surrounding area love and respect the schools is because the schools respect themselves enough to treat their athletics departments (particularly football) as if they are important.
Hey, remember, Rutgers was a private school until 1945. Face it, Princeton was ... and is ... THE university in the state and Rutgers was ... and is ... a distant second. Where would NJ parents prefer their kids to go - Princeton or Rutgers - if costs aren't involved? There's never been a connection between Rutgers and New Jersey as there has been in almost every state outside of the northeast.
Now, go back and look at the history of all of those schools (except USC which is private) and you'll see that they've been THE flagship public university for their states far longer than Rutgers. University of Georgia was established as a public school in 1785, Alabama in 1820, UMich in 1837, Ohio State opened in 1870 and Texas A&M in 1871.
The links between residents and the State U existed before football existed. The rabid following of the sports teams grew out of the pride and passion for their state schools.
Now, go back and look at the history of all of those schools (except USC which is private) and you'll see that they've been THE flagship public university for their states far longer than Rutgers. University of Georgia was established as a public school in 1785, Alabama in 1820, UMich in 1837, Ohio State opened in 1870 and Texas A&M in 1871.
The links between residents and the State U existed before football existed. The rabid following of the sports teams grew out of the pride and passion for their state schools.
And the issue is that Hobbs needs that money for infrastructure improvements that we desperately need. Look for changes in the staff especially the defense but I would not expect any changes to the offensive staff.
I won't send a dime, set foot in the stadium or support athletics until Ash is gone.
Then pick an academic department, any department, and support Rutgers financially where it truly is a world-class institution. I know, I know. Barchi gets a ton of hate on athletics. But he has RU trending in the right direction by virtually any other measure.
absolutely, could not agree more
even better, despite the bs logic and formula used, is RU being higher than psu in usnwr this year.
Please understand the following:
Hobbs can't just fire Ash on his own.
It has to be approved by the BOG and the Pres.
So at best the emails can let Hobbs know how the fan base feels so that he could perhaps bring it up to the BOG and Pres to see if they would approve it, since they would need to approve the payout.
PLEASE keep in mind that this is a business!
The most important thing that people can say is this:
1) I am not renewing my season tickets/parking passes until there is a change in the coaching staff
2) I will not donate anymore until there is a change in the coaching staff
or both, better to state both and you MUST follow through! Saying it is not enough you must do it!
You want to get Ash's seat hot? Do that!
Hobbs can't just fire Ash on his own.
It has to be approved by the BOG and the Pres.
So at best the emails can let Hobbs know how the fan base feels so that he could perhaps bring it up to the BOG and Pres to see if they would approve it, since they would need to approve the payout.
PLEASE keep in mind that this is a business!
The most important thing that people can say is this:
1) I am not renewing my season tickets/parking passes until there is a change in the coaching staff
2) I will not donate anymore until there is a change in the coaching staff
or both, better to state both and you MUST follow through! Saying it is not enough you must do it!
You want to get Ash's seat hot? Do that!
and there you go. we have been so bad for so long we have no idea if this is possible or not (I believe you are right).
Maybe?? Ya think?
More than likely the only reason for many non-students/non-alums. Extremely easy to root for a winner.
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Check out the years 1997-2004 Alabama FB results under HC’s Mike Dubose, Dennis Franchione and Mike Shula. They went 51-43 during that period of 8 years.
Im sure that Tide fans were livid, but doubt they stopped supporting the team.
Of course when Nick Sabin showed up in 2007 we’ve gotten to see a perennial national champion contender.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/alabama/index.html
Depends on how we define "really big", doesn't it? The perception of many of our fans is probably quite varied.
So we can also work back from your 15 number and consider that small of a donor cohort as "really big". If so, at Rutgers my guess is that, on average, the top 15 donor group probably supports RU Athletics to the tune of somewhere between $50-100K per year and/or perhaps a lifetime giving level that exceeds $1M. I could be way off, just a quasi-educated guess.
Maybe Rutgers Athletics has 25 donors at those levels, or maybe only 5. A bit difficult to squarely peg the cohort on both metrics.
As a point of comparison, I'd venture a guess that the top of P5 such as Texas or Ohio St or Alabama could have 100 folks at those levels, or another way to look at it, they're top 15 might then be $250K annually and/or over $5M lifetime. It's a different level however the numbers actually shake out.
And yet, I'd say at the highest 'relative' levels, donors to Rutgers Athletics are quite generous given the mediocre history overall. I also think some Rutgers fans overinflate their own donation level and believe they are big or really big. Again it depends on different people's definitions and no one is saying folks who donate to the level they can afford to are not being generous in their own right. That goes without saying.
But even at Rutgers where large donations don't come in spades like at other top athletic depts, donating say $1,000 a year for example, and/or $10,000 and counting (lifetime), I would not consider a particularly big donor...my opinion. We need thousands upon thousands of more folks at that level, to be sure, but that is not a high level. Yet, we have fans who donate literally nothing and maybe never have. Unfortunately, they aren't part of the ultimate solution even if they are fans. Doesn't stop them from claiming to be huge fans though, or demanding excellence. Oh well.
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And I don't disagree on that front...it's likely attributed to built up loyalty. They also probably tend to support the program unconditionally to a greater degree than we could expect to find at Rutgers.
I look at the make up of the student body, and I walk away thinking that most can gives a rats *** about sports while in school. So to expect them to give after graduation in a pipe dream.
people will blast you for this but you have a great point..it does matter and it does factor in...yes these different demos are found in the student section but cultural ly football is not as ingrained into them as say it might be in Nebraska or Penn State...but still I believe for all demos including whites, this is a tough area to get people to care about giving back to college sports
the makeup of the student section at hoops and football games is not the same as the makeup of the student population as a whole
Uh, how about mostly New Jersey kids? In fact, 90%.
Here we go again, going down an inconsequential tangent in this thread regarding student body composition...where misconceptions are on display and where some continue to not realize its insignificance relative to attendance at athletic events (esp. compared to other factors such as having consistently winning programs).
Of the approx. 36K undergrad enrollment at New Brunswick, 93% are domestic (with a 90/10 split of in-state/out-of-state). Out of the 33.5K domestic students, about 45% are white/Euro Americans, about 28% are Asian (incl. south and southeast asian) American, 14% Latino/Hispanic American, 8% Black American, and 5% other (incl. mixed race).
It may well be that not enough of the 15K+/- white Americans that are enrolled at NB attend athletic events. Perhaps if more of them cared about athletics success (remember that half are also female, who might be slightly less inclined than males to attend sporting events), then the numbers say they could likely fill up the student section on their own without much difficulty (and more than easily for men's hoops games at the RAC). Of course, we shouldn't realistically expect anywhere near 100% attendance participation, among any demographic of the student body. Believe it or not, some students just have other completely non-sports related interests, activities, clubs, volunteering, part-time jobs, want to play video games all day, study at the library, sleep off their hangovers, or whatever.
So maybe there's an argument that can be made that whites might be falling short of proportional representation at games (at 45% of student seating capacity). If you've ever taken a glance at the student section when its full (or close to it), it's pretty diverse. So who exactly are we pointing the finger at about level of interest in athletic events on campus?
Now let's hear some anecdote about there being a couple non-white students who lived in your dorm who never went to games as students, for whatever reason, and somehow extrapolate that this is an issue across the student body.
Of the approx. 36K undergrad enrollment at New Brunswick, 93% are domestic (with a 90/10 split of in-state/out-of-state). Out of the 33.5K domestic students, about 45% are white/Euro Americans, about 28% are Asian (incl. south and southeast asian) American, 14% Latino/Hispanic American, 8% Black American, and 5% other (incl. mixed race).
It may well be that not enough of the 15K+/- white Americans that are enrolled at NB attend athletic events. Perhaps if more of them cared about athletics success (remember that half are also female, who might be slightly less inclined than males to attend sporting events), then the numbers say they could likely fill up the student section on their own without much difficulty (and more than easily for men's hoops games at the RAC). Of course, we shouldn't realistically expect anywhere near 100% attendance participation, among any demographic of the student body. Believe it or not, some students just have other completely non-sports related interests, activities, clubs, volunteering, part-time jobs, want to play video games all day, study at the library, sleep off their hangovers, or whatever.
So maybe there's an argument that can be made that whites might be falling short of proportional representation at games (at 45% of student seating capacity). If you've ever taken a glance at the student section when its full (or close to it), it's pretty diverse. So who exactly are we pointing the finger at about level of interest in athletic events on campus?
Now let's hear some anecdote about there being a couple non-white students who lived in your dorm who never went to games as students, for whatever reason, and somehow extrapolate that this is an issue across the student body.
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kind of think Barchi and Gregg Brown also need a CC on each email..Barchi only takes action when hes inconvenienced by Athletics