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LIV has global TV deals today. Just not with the US. I agree that will be a tough nut to crack for now. I need to check but know I get/used to get DAZN and some other networks that carry LIV since I stream everything anyway.
>LIV Golf has reportedly been rejected by Apple TV over a potential broadcast deal after it deemed the breakaway league to be “too toxic” – one source has learned.
As it stands, LIV Golf continues to be streamed for free on YouTube around the world and on DAZN in the US, with uninterrupted coverage and no adverts.

But despite the seemingly never-ending supply of cash at Greg Norman’s disposal, securing a TV deal continues to stand as a crucial next step in legitimising LIV further and maintaining its longevity.
So if reports are to be true, we now know it won’t be Apple TV, nor the likes of CBS, NBC and ESPN, who are all locked in with the PGA Tour.<

https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/liv-golf-rejected-by-apple-tv/
 
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>LIV Golf has reportedly been rejected by Apple TV over a potential broadcast deal after it deemed the breakaway league to be “too toxic” – one source has learned.
As it stands, LIV Golf continues to be streamed for free on YouTube around the world and on DAZN in the US, with uninterrupted coverage and no adverts.

But despite the seemingly never-ending supply of cash at Greg Norman’s disposal, securing a TV deal continues to stand as a crucial next step in legitimising LIV further and maintaining its longevity.
So if reports are to be true, we now know it won’t be Apple TV, nor the likes of CBS, NBC and ESPN, who are all locked in with the PGA Tour.<

https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/liv-golf-rejected-by-apple-tv/
Correct and good post. My post above was to point out that LIV does have global TV rights (outside US and growing) today. I totally agree they need the US TV market to make money. We in the US tend to only think of the US markets.
 

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So Phil loses in the first round and his team also loses, does he give back the 200mm?
Give back an appearance fee? Why on earth would someone do that? Did the winner make money that day? Let's compare apples to apples. Someone said every golfer gets an appearance fee at The Masters. If true, do they give back that money if they don't make the cut?
Of course I did. I said it makes it feel like an exhibition. Now, if the salary was more modest, I can get behind it.
I really don't want to waste my time going back to your posts. My recollection is you labeled it an exhibition ad nauseum, if not all the time, the vast majority of the time. That's much different then stating it feels like one.
 

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Correct and good post. My post above was to point out that LIV does have global TV rights (outside US and growing) today. I totally agree they need the US TV market to make money. We in the US tend to only think of the US markets.
in that article I posted it said Fox is a possibility to carry the LIV tour.
 

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>LIV Golf has reportedly been rejected by Apple TV over a potential broadcast deal after it deemed the breakaway league to be “too toxic” – one source has learned.
As it stands, LIV Golf continues to be streamed for free on YouTube around the world and on DAZN in the US, with uninterrupted coverage and no adverts.

But despite the seemingly never-ending supply of cash at Greg Norman’s disposal, securing a TV deal continues to stand as a crucial next step in legitimising LIV further and maintaining its longevity.
So if reports are to be true, we now know it won’t be Apple TV, nor the likes of CBS, NBC and ESPN, who are all locked in with the PGA Tour.<

https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/liv-golf-rejected-by-apple-tv/
It was never designed for over the air channels. Those channels are booked years ahead of time. Non issue. Don't know why you excluded ESPN. They are having enough problems issues with content.
 

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It was never designed for over the air channels. Those channels are booked years ahead of time. Non issue. Don't know why you excluded ESPN. They are having enough problems issues with content.
Ok if you say so, but I figure if there's a demand, a way to televise it that way would be found, years in advance scheduling .or not
If the commercial buying corporations are willing to buy commercial time , you can bet the TV networks ( including ESPN) would show the LIV tour events one way or another
My opinion is:
We might see that in 2023, but for now no one wants to take a chance of getting backlash for
helping the LIV tour get on network TV
 

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Ok if you say so, but I figure if there's a demand, a way to televise it that way would be found, years in advance scheduling .or not
If the commercial buying corporations are willing to buy commercial time , you can bet the TV networks ( including ESPN) would show the LIV tour events one way or another
My opinion is:
We might see that in 2023, but for now no one wants to take a chance of getting backlash for
helping the LIV tour get on network TV
Again the major channels have contracts going years in advance. Common knowledge ,most people know that. ESPN and SkySports are the most likely. Multiple channels and need content. NBC is booked solid for years by dropping NBCSports and using all the other channels they own. They did awesome in cycling this year. From Cyclo Cross to the Vuelta Espana Tour. They have big bucks but no openings
 

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LIV format is perfect for ESPN. 4 hour rounds due to the shotgun start. Someone will eventually bite.
People like @jtung230 so want this to fail. I'd could a rats *** if it does or doesn't but they have already made on the PGA Tour make changes which are well over due. Also the secret slush fund needs to be paid out in real time. PGA Tour Leadership is a complete joke
 
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in that article I posted it said Fox is a possibility to carry the LIV tour.

They were always the most likely to be the network to carry it. But on the flipside, internally they soured on the golf industry and ran from televising the US Open. Going to be interesting to see what happens.
 
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DJ -9 with one hole to go today. Rich Farms is a really cool course.

PlaceGolferScoreThru
1Dustin Johnson-9F
2Cameron Smith-6F
3Matthew Wolff-5F
T4Matt Jones-4F
T4Charles Howell Iii-4F
T4Henrik Stenson-4F
T4Lee Westwood-4F
T8Charl Schwartzel-3F
T8Louis Oosthuizen-3F
T8Bryson Dechambeau-3F
T11Sadom Kaewkanjana-2F
T11Laurie Canter-2F
T11Carlos Ortiz-2F
T11Brooks Koepka-2F
T11Harold Varner Iii-2F
T11Branden Grace-2F
T11Scott Vincent-2F
T11Talor Gooch-2F
T11Phil Mickelson-2F
T11Sam Horsfield-2F
T21Graeme Mcdowell-1F
T21Peter Uihlein-1F
T21Eugenio Lopez-Chacarra-1F
T21Marc Leishman-1F
T21Joaquin Niemann-1F
T21Ian Poulter-1F
T21Cameron Tringale-1F
T28Phachara KhongwatmaiEF
T28Sergio GarciaEF
T28Wade OrmsbyEF
T28Sihwan KimEF
T28Anirban LahiriEF
T28Richard BlandEF
T34Hudson Swafford+1F
T34David Puig+1F
T34Martin Kaymer+1F
T34Paul Casey+1F
T34Abraham Ancer+1F
T34Chase Koepka+1F
T34James Piot+1F
T41Bernd Wiesberger+2F
T41Kevin Na+2F
T41Patrick Reed+2F
T41Turk Pettit+2F
45Jason Kokrak+3F
T46Pat Perez+4F
T46Jediah Morgan+4F
48Shaun Norris+7F
 

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1Dustin Johnson-9F
2Cameron Smith-6F
3Matthew Wolff-5F
T4Matt Jones-4F
T4Charles Howell Iii-4F
T4Henrik Stenson-4F
T4Lee Westwood-4F
T8Charl Schwartzel-3F
T8Louis Oosthuizen-3F
T8Bryson Dechambeau-3F
T11Sadom Kaewkanjana-2F
T11Laurie Canter-2F
T11Carlos Ortiz-2F
T11Brooks Koepka-2F
T11Harold Varner Iii-2F
T11Branden Grace-2F
T11Scott Vincent-2F
T11Talor Gooch-2F
T11Phil Mickelson-2F
T11Sam Horsfield-2F
T21Graeme Mcdowell-1F
T21Peter Uihlein-1F
T21Eugenio Lopez-Chacarra-1F
T21Marc Leishman-1F
T21Joaquin Niemann-1F
T21Ian Poulter-1F
T21Cameron Tringale-1F
T28Phachara KhongwatmaiEF
T28Sergio GarciaEF
T28Wade OrmsbyEF
T28Sihwan KimEF
T28Anirban LahiriEF
T28Richard BlandEF
T34Hudson Swafford+1F
T34David Puig+1F
T34Martin Kaymer+1F
T34Paul Casey+1F
T34Abraham Ancer+1F
T34Chase Koepka+1F
T34James Piot+1F
T41Bernd Wiesberger+2F
T41Kevin Na+2F
T41Patrick Reed+2F
T41Turk Pettit+2F
45Jason Kokrak+3F
T46Pat Perez+4F
T46Jediah Morgan+4F
48Shaun Norris+7F
Mickelson is in the top quarter? Nice!
 

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Mickelson is in the top quarter? Nice!
He played much better today. You could see he’s gaining some confidence back. DJ has been the best player to date on the LIV and hopefully he can keep it going today. I would like to see Koepka playing better. He’s been OK but still getting over some injuries.
 
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He played much better today. You could see he’s gaining some confidence back. DJ has been the best player to date on the LIV and hopefully he can keep it going today. I would like to see Koepka playing better. He’s been OK but still getting over some injuries.

Koepka is a guy that I have seen people think will just coast along. He was pretty open about not worrying about regular events, only focusing on majors. These LIV events are just cash cows for him. He's banked a big signing bonus and he can pocket decent cash just finishing wherever in these LIV events. Whereas I could see a guy like DJ still trying to want to win, Koepka might be the type that just kind of floats along.
 
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Yesterday it was the PGA Tour with a leaderboard of Max Homa and Danny Willett. LIV had Cam Smith and Dustin Johnson. No question where the star power was.

Another decent weekend for Pat Perez. He finished even par, 31st of 48, and collected 150K individual and 750K team purses. Not a bad golf allowance for Pat!
 
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Yesterday it was the PGA Tour with a leaderboard of Max Homa and Danny Willett. LIV had Cam Smith and Dustin Johnson. No question where the star power was.

Another decent weekend for Pat Perez. He finished even par, 31st of 48, and collected 150K individual and 750K team purses. Not a bad golf allowance for Pat!

And yet no one watched either, most likely.

LIV can't survive trying to compete on football weekends (which apparently is one of the hurdles that networks have with LIV beyond the other issues) in the fall. That's why the PGA Tour real season comes to an end before football seasons begins and you get things like that Napa Valley event in the fall.

I think at the end of the day, LIV's long term viability comes down to if/when they get a real network or big time streaming deal in place that opens up the viewership to a much wider audience. If a significant number of their events end up in the fall, it makes it difficult to find a network partner willing to bail on college football or NFL football for a LIV golf event.
 

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And yet no one watched either, most likely.

LIV can't survive trying to compete on football weekends (which apparently is one of the hurdles that networks have with LIV beyond the other issues) in the fall. That's why the PGA Tour real season comes to an end before football seasons begins and you get things like that Napa Valley event in the fall.

I think at the end of the day, LIV's long term viability comes down to if/when they get a real network or big time streaming deal in place that opens up the viewership to a much wider audience. If a significant number of their events end up in the fall, it makes it difficult to find a network partner willing to bail on college football or NFL football for a LIV golf event.
Much better watching on the YouTube platform. Watch what you want, when you want.....pretty easy.
 

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Sure but you and I both know that YouTube can't deliver the viewership that even the LIV COO admits they need going forward at some point.
needing to watch on youtube or any other streaming platform ( that will show the tour) only shows the LIV needs to be funded by the Saudis because TV revenue isn't there and might not be.
 
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needing to watch on youtube or any other streaming platform ( that will show the tour) only shows the LIV needs to be funded by the Saudis because TV revenue isn't there and might not be.

Of course but when you see the COO admit a month or so ago that they need a TV deal and Norman admit that the Saudis have given him enough funding for three full seasons, it seems that this thing isn't going to go on in perpetuity with the Saudis just pooping out dollars to fund this forever.
 

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Read a few things about how LIV;s fight against the PGA is going in the US Congress

Seems like Greg Norman's lobbying of Congressional leaders efforts for LIV Golf aren't going well.

Greg Norman faced accusations of promoting Saudi “propaganda” following meetings with Washington lawmakers, in which the Australian golfer sought to garner support for the Saudi-backed LIV Series in its bitter dispute with the PGA Tour.

Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) reportedly called Norman's lunch with members of the Republican Study Committee on Wednesday "propaganda" and said the RSC shouldn't spend it's time with a league backed by the Saudi Arabian government.

Fellow Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas), who is also a member of the RSC, called for the Justice Department to investigate LIV for potential Foreign Agents Registration Act violations for not registering its connection to Saudi Arabia.

“At this point, there is no mistaking the origins and purpose of LIV Golf,” Rep. Roy wrote in a statement to Attorney General Merrick Garlandin July. “The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is funneling money through its Public Investment Fund (PIF) to stand up LIV Golf as an exercise in public relations. In other words, a foreign government’s dollars are being used to enhance that government’s brand and positioning here in the United States.

"... the American people deserve to know the depth and breadth of Saudi Arabia’s unprecedented political and public relations activities through its LIV Golf entity."

What Roy is effectively alluding to is sportswashing — a term which basically means Saudi Arabia is trying to cover up its countless human rights violations with extravagant sporting events. The government has already invested billions of dollars in the rival golf league and lured some of the biggest stars with six-figure paychecks before they even stepped onto a course.

As Burchett stated in his first tweet, Saudi Arabia is most recently known for its involvement in the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi


Phil Mickelson one of the LIV's most prominent golfer even addmitted he understood the "scary" business partners who are paying him millions of dollars and the atrocities the Saudi government committed. But that hasn't stopped Mickelson or others from taking the money.

Seems like the LIV won't be getting help from members of the US Congress if members
like Rep. Chip Roy & Rep. Tim Burchett are examples of how most members of Congress think about the LIV. and how it might just be a damage control Public Relations effort by the Saudi Arabian government and not just a new Golf Tour being backed by the Saudi government
 

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US up 4-1 after the first day of the President's Cup. I didn't get a chance to watch today so hopefully it was good. I was surprised Morikawa & Finau not playing tomorrow. Seems weird 2 of the best not playing after winning today. International team looks real weak.
 

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I’m a golf fan and never thought about turning it on today. Not much juice to this one.
No one ever cares about the President's Cup unless it's in your backyard. Ryder Cup will not have much juice for the Euro team if they don't allow LIV players.
 

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No one ever cares about the President's Cup unless it's in your backyard. Ryder Cup will not have much juice for the Euro team if they don't allow LIV players.
Both will be showing new European talent , which might just help gain more interest in those tours .
Wouldn't mind seeing those picjed to play them be new talent headed by an established star.
 

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Really, who’s missed on the Ryder Cup?
Yeah, Euro's lose some star power but not necessarily their best current players. Biggest losses are probably Stenson & Kaymer. Maybe Rahm & Fleetwood, but they aren't certain to jump.

LIV absolutely decimated the International team. Considering they have such a global roster, do you think LIV could run a rival Ryder's/President's Cup? Maybe a 3-way tango? I'd actually watch that.
 

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Yeah, Euro's lose some star power but not necessarily their best current players. Biggest losses are probably Stenson & Kaymer. Maybe Rahm & Fleetwood, but they aren't certain to jump.

LIV absolutely decimated the International team. Considering they have such a global roster, do you think LIV could run a rival Ryder's/President's Cup? Maybe a 3-way tango? I'd actually watch that.
If professional golf wants to make real money.....PGA vs. LIV Cup 2023.....pay per view!
 
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Really, who’s missed on the Ryder Cup?
Say what you want about guys like Poulter and Sergio, but they bring a good spirit to their team. Poulter's got a great record and loves the team format.

And even if they don't play, they were in line to be captains at some point.
 
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Read a few things about how LIV;s fight against the PGA is going in the US Congress

Seems like Greg Norman's lobbying of Congressional leaders efforts for LIV Golf aren't going well.

Greg Norman faced accusations of promoting Saudi “propaganda” following meetings with Washington lawmakers, in which the Australian golfer sought to garner support for the Saudi-backed LIV Series in its bitter dispute with the PGA Tour.

Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) reportedly called Norman's lunch with members of the Republican Study Committee on Wednesday "propaganda" and said the RSC shouldn't spend it's time with a league backed by the Saudi Arabian government.

Fellow Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas), who is also a member of the RSC, called for the Justice Department to investigate LIV for potential Foreign Agents Registration Act violations for not registering its connection to Saudi Arabia.

“At this point, there is no mistaking the origins and purpose of LIV Golf,” Rep. Roy wrote in a statement to Attorney General Merrick Garlandin July. “The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is funneling money through its Public Investment Fund (PIF) to stand up LIV Golf as an exercise in public relations. In other words, a foreign government’s dollars are being used to enhance that government’s brand and positioning here in the United States.

"... the American people deserve to know the depth and breadth of Saudi Arabia’s unprecedented political and public relations activities through its LIV Golf entity."

What Roy is effectively alluding to is sportswashing — a term which basically means Saudi Arabia is trying to cover up its countless human rights violations with extravagant sporting events. The government has already invested billions of dollars in the rival golf league and lured some of the biggest stars with six-figure paychecks before they even stepped onto a course.

As Burchett stated in his first tweet, Saudi Arabia is most recently known for its involvement in the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi


Phil Mickelson one of the LIV's most prominent golfer even addmitted he understood the "scary" business partners who are paying him millions of dollars and the atrocities the Saudi government committed. But that hasn't stopped Mickelson or others from taking the money.

Seems like the LIV won't be getting help from members of the US Congress if members
like Rep. Chip Roy & Rep. Tim Burchett are examples of how most members of Congress think about the LIV. and how it might just be a damage control Public Relations effort by the Saudi Arabian government and not just a new Golf Tour being backed by the Saudi government

Interesting but I wonder what happens to these Republicans in Congress if Trump starts lobbying them. Trump is clearly all in on LIV and wants the cash that comes with it hosting all these events at his courses. He wants to see the PGA crushed because they took events from his courses.

If he starts pressuring GOP members in Congress, don't be surprised to see some flip here.
 

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Interesting but I wonder what happens to these Republicans in Congress if Trump starts lobbying them. Trump is clearly all in on LIV and wants the cash that comes with it hosting all these events at his courses. He wants to see the PGA crushed because they took events from his courses.

If he starts pressuring GOP members in Congress, don't be surprised to see some flip here.
I feel Congress is being pressured from the pro Saudi crowd , including lobbyists hired by Saudi Arabia and possibly Trump is putting in a good word for the LIV with politicians that support him.
But on the other hand, those that feel Saudi Arabia is using the LIV as a PR tool trying to overcome its human rights violations and violence against those that condemn the Saudi Royalty for the way they run that country are pressuring Congress members to act on the alleged sport-washing to divert attention from the abuse the Saudi government hands out to those who defy them and demand to hold those possibly working as agents of Saudi Arabiato be held accountable for not disclosing that to the US Government as required by law
 

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Interesting but I wonder what happens to these Republicans in Congress if Trump starts lobbying them. Trump is clearly all in on LIV and wants the cash that comes with it hosting all these events at his courses. He wants to see the PGA crushed because they took events from his courses.

If he starts pressuring GOP members in Congress, don't be surprised to see some flip here.
Does Trump want the PGA of America crushed or the PGA Tour. Only one took a tournament away.
 
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Does Trump want the PGA of America crushed or the PGA Tour. Only one took a tournament away.

Part of me wonders if he even knows they are separate entities. But both took tournaments from him. The PGA of America took the PGA Championship from him but back in 2016 the PGA Tour took one of the World Golf events from Doral and moved it to Mexico. Both chapped his butt. I believe he hopes LIV goes scorched earth on both.