One time payment by each DP Tour stop. Payments are undisclosed but believed to be $4+million.
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Not so fast on OGWR points, at least for two tournaments.
A Golf Digest article ( link below) has this in it
OWGR says no (for now) to LIV Golf's workaround to get World Ranking points | Golf News and Tour Information | GolfDigest.com
>The process for OWGR inclusion can take one or two years to complete—and after that there is a standard three-year probationary period. Furthermore, the OWGR bylaws state that a prospective tour must adhere to the OWGR guidelines for at least one year immediately prior to inclusion. That would seemingly keep LIV Golf outside the OWGR universe until at least 2024.<
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/owgr-liv-golf-world-ranking-points-denied-mena-tour
You really think the LIV won't change to 4 rounds for this?? There is no rule required to have a cut of half the field to get points. The DP has many events without a mandatory cut.
The only thing I think is that the LIV will find moves to make, feel they got the game in hand and find out that move might not get them where they want to go.
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The LIV has played a better hand so far. The PGA screwed this up.
Really?? This small Rutgers board doesn't feel that way. The PGA is panicking with a response by Tiger and Rory coming up with a computer contest that is totally ridiculous.
The LIV has played a better hand so far. The PGA screwed this up.
Monahan needs to go. He screwed this up and comes across as a douche. And this comes from a guy that is not a Norman fan.
Monahan has ham fisted this thing but acting like Norman isn't a big problem here is kind of funny. If Monahan needs to go, so does Norman. Norman is a snake and a liar and it wouldn't matter who ran the PGA Tour, they'd struggle to take him at his word. Norman would tell the Tour one thing to their face and then turn around and do what's best for him.
That's probably the real issue here. The two guys driving this confrontation - Monahan and Norman - might be the biggest reasons this thing is a **** show mess right now.
I don't like both either. But my biggest problem was that Monahan took the LIV as a threat (which was foolish on so many counts) when he should have looked at it as a great opportunity. He has acted like a child, not a businessman from the beginning.
I tend to agree but then again, look at who he was dealing with - Norman, who you can't trust at all. I think that was part (not all) of the reason the PGA Tour took the stance they took. Norman could easily have told the PGA Tour they wouldn't do this or that and then a few months later, Norman would absolutely go back on it if it benefitted him.
Put it another way. If Jack Nicklaus or Gary Player or Lee Trevino or some one like that had been the driving force behind LIV, something tells me an agreement would have been worked out.
Greg Norman is irrelevant. All Monahan had to do was stop being a dick to players and LIV would have never existed.
PGA rarely has a likable leader, but Monahan may be the least liked. The fact in this day and age that they still only pay players that make the cut is BS.
He's not irrelevant. LIV would have existed because Norman had an endless stream of cash that even if the PGA had paid players more, never would have been able to match. Let's not pretend all this other BS about more freedom matters. As it turns out, the LIV golfers may even be more restricted in terms of media matters, etc. Hence why they fought to try to keep LIV contracts and by laws out of the public realm. So this talk of respecting players more, more freedom, etc. was largely BS. It was about cash. And as long as Norman could convince the Saudis to throw an ungodly amount of money at Tour players, LIV was always going to get off the ground.
If LIV (and the PGA) had a real, non-confrontational leader, I truly believe a LIV series in conjunction with a regular PGA Tour schedule likely would have been workable. Norman + Monahan made that extremely unlikely and now we are where we are.
Didn’t miss it. Just didn’t feel like beating the dead horse. Like I said, time will tell.
Btw, just got back from Munich/Oktoberfest. Attendance was down by 500k due to poor weather and COVID spike. Had a great time.
Which places did you visit inside? Heard about the weather. A big Oktoberfest festival in Philly was postponed last Saturday moved to next Saturday. Going to one tonight and tomorrow indoors at the Philadelphia Armory. Prosit!
PGA might be panicking but they're not rolling over and dying and I doubt what this small Rutgers board feels has an impact on the PGA's decision to make it as had as possible for the LIV to survive without costing their backers a lot of money to keep it going and buy partnerships in the hope of getting recognition.
But as I've been saying since this thread started, the money will be there to fund the fight for status and the PGA and LIV will eventually call a truce and work out a deal where they can coexist in peace.
To me it looks like the PGA didn't screw up it's fight for dominance but didn't keep as much control as they thought they would.
The LIV looked like it was getting the upper hand, then lost the advantage they thought they had and the courts didn't make their claims against the PGA get the desired effect the LIV though would happen.
Never said they were dying. Actually I've said from Day 1 the LIV is not a threat to the PGA in any sense. But could have been a great partner to get the top players extra money without the PGA spending a dime. So mishandled by the PGA.
Was at the Fischer Vroni tent drinking Augustiner brau. 13 euro for a 1 L. What a deal. Couldn’t do more than 4 because of volume
Nice. I like the 1L for my first one after that it's like being married to a heavy mug lol.
Augustiner is a fantastic brewery. Makes the world's greatest Helles lager.
Gained an inch on my biceps. I made sure I got both sides in.
What's the point? Rory took money to show up. Going by the way you explained it in the past, that makes it an exhibition. Now you want to compare HOW much he was paid vs. other players? It's an appearance fee no matter how big or small.
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Nice to see Brooks K win today after a 3-hole playoff. The big names are rocking LIV.
Exhibition or a Tour, the money being put in to back the LIV will be what keeps it around
The player the LIV pay to jump ship gives it exposure, but the PGA will overcome their loss with the up and coming pros in their tour becoming better known.
The LIV is getting new faces as well, but until a TV deal is made, minimum exposure isn't helping their recognition factor.
Phil has claimed the LIV is a world brand followed by golf fans around the world, but not in the USA or UK , but will given time
That's nice but until that happens it won't be golf fans keeping it going but the Saudis money that will.keep the LIV alive.
We can say the payouts make for good PR, but is the LIV respected by USA/UK golf fans enough to help them get on TV.?
If not Saudi Arabia might just stop funding the LIV and let it fade into a minor tour if it can stay afloat with it's stars jumping back to the PGA .
The player the LIV pay to jump ship gives it exposure, but the PGA will overcome their loss with the up and coming pros in their tour becoming better known.
The LIV is getting new faces as well, but until a TV deal is made, minimum exposure isn't helping their recognition factor.
Phil has claimed the LIV is a world brand followed by golf fans around the world, but not in the USA or UK , but will given time
That's nice but until that happens it won't be golf fans keeping it going but the Saudis money that will.keep the LIV alive.
We can say the payouts make for good PR, but is the LIV respected by USA/UK golf fans enough to help them get on TV.?
If not Saudi Arabia might just stop funding the LIV and let it fade into a minor tour if it can stay afloat with it's stars jumping back to the PGA .
PGA Tour to announce prize money will be increased to at least $20 million for 4 more tourneys a year on a rotating basis. In '23 the 4 will be Waste Mgmt, Heritage, Wells Fargo, and Travelers.
Tour players say thanks LIV.
Tour players say thanks LIV.
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Thanks to LIV, the PGA Tour keeps finding more and more money they said they didn't have. LOL!
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Interesting story about LIV from The New Yorker. It briefly discusses how the plan to recoup their investment is to sell ownership stakes in the team. Essentially like any other sports franchise. They think this will happen around 2025.
Will be interesting to see if that ever happens and even what kind of valuation one could put on a four man golf team.
Will be interesting to see if that ever happens and even what kind of valuation one could put on a four man golf team.
You keep saying that but it isn’t true. LIV never was willing or interested in the fall alone.