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Bueller

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People in Germany apoplectic over BMW threatening to cripple their cars speed is they dont start using battery more. This is what the heavy handers want AI for.


  • BMW proposes punishing PHEV owners who don’t regularly charge their vehicles.
  • Possible measures include reducing engine power if batteries aren’t routinely charged.
  • The plan aims to boost BMW’s carbon credits, raising privacy and customer control concerns.

Here is a gal who lives in Germany

 
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Rutgers Chris

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Bueller said:
People in Germany apoplectic over BMW threatening to cripple their cars speed is they dont start using battery more. This is what the heavy handers want AI for.


  • BMW proposes punishing PHEV owners who don’t regularly charge their vehicles.
  • Possible measures include reducing engine power if batteries aren’t routinely charged.
  • The plan aims to boost BMW’s carbon credits, raising privacy and customer control concerns.

Here is a gal who lives in Germany

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Germany…

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RUDiddy777

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Bueller said:
People in Germany apoplectic over BMW threatening to cripple their cars speed is they dont start using battery more. This is what the heavy handers want AI for.


  • BMW proposes punishing PHEV owners who don’t regularly charge their vehicles.
  • Possible measures include reducing engine power if batteries aren’t routinely charged.
  • The plan aims to boost BMW’s carbon credits, raising privacy and customer control concerns.

Here is a gal who lives in Germany

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They could just get a different car. If they don’t generate carbon credits, then BMW has to buy them. I’d imagine the PHEV sales price is probably discounted.
 
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Rutgers Chris

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The amount of crow that should be eaten from some this thread is breathtaking:



www.basenor.com

Tesla Robotaxi Austin Safety Record: What NHTSA Data Shows

Nearly a year into Tesla's Robotaxi service in Austin, the federal safety record is in — and it's more nuanced than either critics or boosters typically acknowledge. NHTSA crash data covering July 2025 through March 2026 shows 17 total reported incidents, zero major crashes, and only 6 minor...
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Jtung230

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Rutgers Chris said:
The amount of crow that should be eaten from some this thread is breathtaking:



www.basenor.com

Tesla Robotaxi Austin Safety Record: What NHTSA Data Shows

Nearly a year into Tesla's Robotaxi service in Austin, the federal safety record is in — and it's more nuanced than either critics or boosters typically acknowledge. NHTSA crash data covering July 2025 through March 2026 shows 17 total reported incidents, zero major crashes, and only 6 minor...
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The article says these robotaxi all have human monitors in them.
 
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Rutgers Chris

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Jtung230 said:
Why did you put the TKR jinx on it?

abcnews.com

Family sues Tesla after woman killed by vehicle allegedly in self-driving mode

The family of a woman who was killed when a Tesla crashed into her home while allegedly in self-driving mode is suing the automaker and the driver for damages.
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1. Not a robotaxi and

2. I wonder if you read the link you posted.

“Ashok Elluswamy, Tesla's head of AI, responded to Musk's post on X, claiming the self-driving mode was manually overridden.

"Yup. In this case, the driver manually overrode self-driving by pressing the accelerator all the way to 100% of the accel pedal in this residential area. They reached a speed of 73 mph during the crash, and had the accelerator pressed even after the crash," he posted.”
 
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Jtung230

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Rutgers Chris said:
1. Not a robotaxi and

2. I wonder if you read the link you posted.

“Ashok Elluswamy, Tesla's head of AI, responded to Musk's post on X, claiming the self-driving mode was manually overridden.

"Yup. In this case, the driver manually overrode self-driving by pressing the accelerator all the way to 100% of the accel pedal in this residential area. They reached a speed of 73 mph during the crash, and had the accelerator pressed even after the crash," he posted.”
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1. Is robotaxi using different software?

2. Not surprised they denied it. Have they ever come out and said it was their fault?
 
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Jtung230 said:
1. Is robotaxi using different software?

2. Not surprised they denied it. Have they ever come out and said it was their fault?
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1. Yes. Depending on the year, which hasn’t been reported, different hardware too.

2. Pretty easy to deny in a case where the accelerator was pushed to 100%.

Funny that you post an article like this trying to detract from robotaxi when in this case if it was a robotaxi and not a human/model 3, this accident doesn’t happen. Poor woman/family, I hope they win the legitimate part of the suit against the driver at fault.
 
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Rutgers Chris

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Jtung230 said:
Does Waymo still use Lidar? Didn’t they just get cited for being safer than drivers?
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They do, but they’re also geofenced. And yes, plenty of data showing they’re safer than humans. It’s pretty obvious all forms of self driving will end up being safer, regardless of the system used.
 
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Rutgers Chris said:
They do, but they’re also geofenced. And yes, plenty of data showing they’re safer than humans. It’s pretty obvious all forms of self driving will end up being safer, regardless of the system used.
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Isn’t all FSD geofenced? I think Waymo is the only one that truly operates full driverless.
 
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Isn’t all FSD geofenced? I think Waymo is the only one that truly operates full driverless.
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Poor labeling here which Tesla has been criticized for. Tesla’s FSD is supervised but not geo fenced. All of the driverless options (Waymo, Tesla, zook) are all level 4- driverless and geo fenced. No one has achieved level 5, which would remove fencing.

I’m at about 90% self driving now. You can see it being safer relative to following distance, lane changes, etc. There’s times I have to fight the urge to make a move to save me an unnecessary 3 seconds. It’s becoming less of an issue with experience and age.
 
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Rutgers Chris said:
Poor labeling here which Tesla has been criticized for. Tesla’s FSD is supervised but not geo fenced. All of the driverless options (Waymo, Tesla, zook) are all level 4- driverless and geo fenced. No one has achieved level 5, which would remove fencing.

I’m at about 90% self driving now. You can see it being safer relative to following distance, lane changes, etc. There’s times I have to fight the urge to make a move to save me an unnecessary 3 seconds. It’s becoming less of an issue with experience and age.
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Talked to a guy I know a couple of months ago who has a Model 3 and lives in NJ. He told me he's >90% self driving, which kind of shocked me. In fact, he says he rarely has to take the wheel and he's not the type to exaggerate so I tend to believe him. I figured with NJ traffic and congestion that would be pretty much impossible. Guess not.
 
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29PAS said:
Talked to a guy I know a couple of months ago who has a Model 3 and lives in NJ. He told me he's >90% self driving, which kind of shocked me. In fact, he says he rarely has to take the wheel and he's not the type to exaggerate so I tend to believe him. I figured with NJ traffic and congestion that would be pretty much impossible. Guess not.
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I actually think in traffic/congestion is where it’s at its best. I use it in California freeway traffic mostly with no issue
 
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I'm on the waiting list for a Rivian R2. Tentative order date of Nov 2026 - Feb 2027. I didn't think I was interested in autonomous driving, but might be rethinking it. I thought it needed to be on a road with lines -- not necessarily a highway, but even if it had a line down the middle. Is that true? I really don't do much highway driving.
 
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Scarlet4Shore said:
I'm on the waiting list for a Rivian R2. Tentative order date of Nov 2026 - Feb 2027. I didn't think I was interested in autonomous driving, but might be rethinking it. I thought it needed to be on a road with lines -- not necessarily a highway, but even if it had a line down the middle. Is that true? I really don't do much highway driving.
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That’s how Rivian’s system works- only on roads with painted lines and it is essentially a lane guide. It won’t slow down/speed up, make turns, etc.
 
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Thoughts on the new Subaru Electric Trailseeker vehicle one of my friends is planning on buying one....

Wants to do a lease but the residual is really not great.
 
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