Jacob Young
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Not worried at all. A healthy Ron helped get us off to a 7-1 start last year. A healthy Ron with a clear understanding of what he needs to do to improve is a good thing. Looking forward to a new year with this team.
Very true. They are all great dudes led by a great head dude. We are lucky. This year was a sh$t show for all of us and definitely for the team. They should be celebrated for breaking through under crappy circumstances. Let’s not let a small handful of posters stir the pot to diminish that accomplishment.
What are you actually getting at? Really trying here btw, not being disingenuous during this discussion.
Did you just not realize the implication of what Ron actually said and thought he was being a better teammate than JY (who made his comments no longer as a teammate)? Without realizing that, I guess I can see why you thought Ron had more tact if that’s your position.
I think Ron, by implicating himself in the problem as well, makes it a team issue and not an “everyone else” issue. Ron wasn’t saying he should be the only one to score 20 a game. He was saying you needed to do things to helps a team win and not press and always try to be a superstar. He didn’t go and say, “I was good but everyone else was terrible.” He was saying “we all have to do the things that help a team win.”
I don’t think it’s a Ron vs JY thing.
I think it’s the way both look at the season and the way they view what happened vs what should have happened.
I also think Geo is the most clutch player at RU since Geoff Billet and should have the ball in his hands at the end of the game.
Agree, in most situations yes. But Houston was exceptional in a lot of ways. Not least Bc JYs father was a stud there and it meant a great deal to him.
I have to tell you ...The quote from Ron was dead on....I never saw any evidence that he or Geo ever “hunted shots “ to make sure they got their share. There was plenty of times thar JY, and to a lesser extent , MM, hunted lower percentage shots when it was their time to sit, to the point where I thought pike needed to send the message ...and that’s what happened in late January when MM and JY got knocked out of the staring line up
heck ...if anything there was some stretches where I thought RHJ deferred way too much
The reality was once we got into conference play...defense intensity went up, shot attempts went down because the pace wasn’t always up and down ...and we were not going to average 80 a game.
there just wasn’t enough points to share for geo, Ron, Jacob , Montez to each score 12-14 plus per game like what was happening in December ....because we also still had Paul, Caleb, cliff and Myles getting thei 25-27 as well between the four of them .
People forget the four game win streak after the losing streak came in part because we slowed down the game and made defense and rebounding again the priority....
And I just don’t think JY ans MM were on
Board with slow it down some ...and that’s why they aren’t here any longer ....
heck ...if anything there was some stretches where I thought RHJ deferred way too much
The reality was once we got into conference play...defense intensity went up, shot attempts went down because the pace wasn’t always up and down ...and we were not going to average 80 a game.
there just wasn’t enough points to share for geo, Ron, Jacob , Montez to each score 12-14 plus per game like what was happening in December ....because we also still had Paul, Caleb, cliff and Myles getting thei 25-27 as well between the four of them .
People forget the four game win streak after the losing streak came in part because we slowed down the game and made defense and rebounding again the priority....
And I just don’t think JY ans MM were on
Board with slow it down some ...and that’s why they aren’t here any longer ....
At the end of the day the Ohio state game really destroyed what could have been a truly special season. We had a special season by our standards but at half time of that game the broadcast said Rutgers could be a dark horse Final Four team, and hell if it wasn't for 5 bad minutes vs Houston we may still have made it.
From a talent standpoint, it's going to be hard to replicate 20-21.
JY was not the problem here. At least when it came to the on court play. MM on the other hand was a self destructing bomb to this team. He couldn't do anything but score in transition but didn't want to change his style of play.
We can't speak of what went on behind closed doors, I'm sure chemistry was fractured and things got derailed because of that. It's truly a shame but no Ill will towards JY because he got us to the 2nd round of the tourney and wish him well
From a talent standpoint, it's going to be hard to replicate 20-21.
JY was not the problem here. At least when it came to the on court play. MM on the other hand was a self destructing bomb to this team. He couldn't do anything but score in transition but didn't want to change his style of play.
We can't speak of what went on behind closed doors, I'm sure chemistry was fractured and things got derailed because of that. It's truly a shame but no Ill will towards JY because he got us to the 2nd round of the tourney and wish him well
We're going to have to disagree on that one. If I'm the coach, I'm looking to tie/win the game, not create a cool storyline. JY didn't have the best game against Houston, either. Geo had done it his entire career...
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Geo has created a perpetual strawman of the world being against him. It’s tiring. Im looking forward to the end of this upcoming season
Being a Rutgers basketball fan but not a Geo Baker fan is such a weird thing. The guy has been the face of the program while it's gone from 3-15 in the conference to two tournament bids. Rutgers needed someone with his attitude.
Some people just prefer being miserable all the damn time, I guess.
and...you are being ultra kind in your response. this guy is the worst kind of "fan"
I love Rutgers Basketball. That doesn’t mean I am a big fan of everyone who wears the uniform.
I have a tough time excusing him for his effort last year. I have a tough time forgetting the sulking last year. I find it difficult not to partially blame him for the players that have left. I have to say his quotes that were posted yesterday don’t sit well.
i think your "beef" is with the wrong person
go listen to Pike's OTB interview. he practically spells it out for you.
He mentioned Ron in the context of "weak" ankles and how all players are dealing with ankle issues and how he (JY) rubs dirt on it and plays through it. Not sure how that shows any type of relationship. Came across to me as almost a passive aggressive way to say that he views himself as a "gamer" while feeling Ron was not.
Lots of "I" and "Me" from JY in the interview. Loved him as a player for us and do not doubt his positive impact here - but in interviews, always prefer more self-effacing guys.
I dunno man, he had COVID in September and hurt both of his ankles by mid-November. He was playing a season in front of no fans and cut off from his non-basketball friends and family. Even if he was only giving 75% on a body that was 75%, I can understand it. I never once noticed myself or heard from anyone else that Geo was sandbagging it in any of his first three seasons here. I don't think he suddenly got senioritis and took plays off for no season.
What is he going to say?
I am sure Jacob is more to blame than some of the current players. Sounds like Jacob is very immature and selfish.
Geo not taking the high road and posting snarky social media posts is a clue that this isn’t a 1 way street.
I think it's a clue that these are college students.
Fair assessment. But it also sounded like he was joking with Ron. Geo we know missed multiple games with that high ankle sprain but he wasn't explicitly mentioned
Yeah very fickle personalities at that age. Easy to see something as a personal affront.
I am sure that was part of it. I think Jacob taking control of the team was a big factor too.
agree.
I dont think there are people posting that JY destroyed the team chemistry (if they do, its usually as a response). people accept him for what he is ... good and bad.
but there are a TON of people on this board proactively looking to slam Geo.
its fkng weird.
You realize who the comments coming from right?
The dude plays against better competition in his Hoboken pick up games then the guys in the big ten.
And let's not forget if you don't make 200k a year before you're 30, you're a failure.
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I root for him on the court but off it he's been a baby. If youre being objective he was our 4th best player last year. He discussed with our guys to delay the start of our first ncaa tourney game in 3 decades. Hes very divisive and uneducated on topics he talks about alot. He says hes oppressed when he’s extremely privileged. He ran a couple guys out of town.
this isnt a binary choice fyi. Its okay to root for a guy when hes on the floor and not like him as the person off it. There are plenty of examples of this
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Haha i have never said either but nice try cupcake. I simply said I thought kids are better off going the michael nzei route of starting a career at 22 than playing euro ball that hes no forward long term career path leaving you with no working experience at 30 where you can possibly be making $200K/yr by the time your 30 which I can almost guarantee michael nzei will be making in excess of $200K by 30. He was a local example of a kid who went to wall street > insert random euro league he couldve gone to.
the crazy part to me was me telling you guys you CAN do it and you guys saying you couldnt. I had more confidence in you and these kids then yourselves
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Idk how anyone can argue that us going into a shell/essentially the equivalent of a prevent defense in the last 5 mins of the houston game was a good move.
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I’ll leave it at this. I root for geo and ron on the floor but off the floor they are basically sorority girls emotionally. Ive tried expressing this for a year only for you guys to say no no no no but as more **** leaks you guys just keep denying it lol
Exempting Young from the "sorority girls" jab is funny. If Baker/Harper are, he certainly is too. Only one of the three bailed, though.
Wish him the best, but I've never been a fan of the "I got mine" mentality. This is basketball, not figure skating... it's a team sport, and looking out for number one doesn't help anyone.
Wish him the best, but I've never been a fan of the "I got mine" mentality. This is basketball, not figure skating... it's a team sport, and looking out for number one doesn't help anyone.
Alot of competitors in bball have had that mentality. Even Michael Jordan, to an extent, would bully people into capitulating to his will and dominance. He was such an alpha he would look to embarrass you into raising your level of play. He'd challenge folks direct, and the implicit undertone was, "I'm bringing it, you better bring it too or I will be ON YOU!"
Not saying JY is MJ. I'm just saying that mentality isn't so odd in hoops.
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“I got mine” mentality usually isnt playing balls to the wall defense every second theyre on the floor and shutting down all-americans. But hey, we’ll agree to disagree here. JY was alllllll about ball, didnt concern himself about things out of his control, didnt wanna get into the distraction bs, rarely used social media. One of the big issues is all he cared about was ball while some other guys were more concerned with believing they could change the world
The intent of my post was to exonerate your head coach from any alleged mistreatment of Young by implying that JY had a financial inducement to play for Oregon with its propensity to throw Nike money at recruits and transfers. Ha ha
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Us too, because it will be the end to your perpetual string of tiring, absurd, made up criticisms of Geo. He stood up for NIL which virtually all student athletes are 100% behind. Oh, and social justice like millions of others around the world of all races did, but of course you've said racism in this country doesn't exist so we know that not only are you by far the most consistently tiring person on this board, you're equally ignorant.