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Haha i have never said either but nice try cupcake. I simply said I thought kids are better off going the michael nzei route of starting a career at 22 than playing euro ball that hes no forward long term career path leaving you with no working experience at 30 where you can possibly be making $200K/yr by the time your 30 which I can almost guarantee michael nzei will be making in excess of $200K by 30. He was a local example of a kid who went to wall street > insert random euro league he couldve gone to.

the crazy part to me was me telling you guys you CAN do it and you guys saying you couldnt. I had more confidence in you and these kids then yourselves

Lol you amuse yourself way too easily.

I understand your point and I agree with you that playing in the Estonian 2nd league is not a better choice than starting your career in whatever field you choose.

But you also said that with Corey sanders who we both know doesn't have the literacy to do much outside of basketball
 

RUInsanityToo

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Alot of competitors in bball have had that mentality. Even Michael Jordan, to an extent, would bully people into capitulating to his will and dominance. He was such an alpha he would look to embarrass you into raising your level of play. He'd challenge folks direct, and the implicit undertone was, "I'm bringing it, you better bring it too or I will be ON YOU!"

Not saying JY is MJ. I'm just saying that mentality isn't so odd in hoops.

It's likely they all have that mentality on the court to some degree - or they would likely not be playing D1 Basketball. There are many people who are extremely athletic in this world, what differentiates those who make it and those who don't often comes down to the mental part.
 

RUInsanityToo

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“I got mine” mentality usually isnt playing balls to the wall defense every second theyre on the floor and shutting down all-americans. But hey, we’ll agree to disagree here. JY was alllllll about ball, didnt concern himself about things out of his control, didnt wanna get into the distraction bs, rarely used social media. One of the big issues is all he cared about was ball while some other guys were more concerned with believing they could change the world

Honestly, for all you know. While others were trying to change the world in their free time, JY could have been spending that same free time playing XBox or watching TikTok videos. Point is, you really don't know......but if you would only admit that what it really comes down to for you is as long as they "Shut Up and Dribble" you're all good! AMIRIGHT??
 
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Us too, because it will be the end to your perpetual string of tiring, absurd, made up criticisms of Geo. He stood up for NIL which virtually all student athletes are 100% behind. Oh, and social justice like millions of others around the world of all races did, but of course you've said racism in this country doesn't exist so we know that not only are you by far the most consistently tiring person on this board, you're equally ignorant.
Never said there werent racist in this country. What I have said is institutional/systemic racism is a myth in 2021 and has no factual legs to stand on. There used to be systemic racism but thats been dead for decades and decades and decades. If you disagree im willing to live stream a conversation on the topic with you here
 
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Lol you amuse yourself way too easily.

I understand your point and I agree with you that playing in the Estonian 2nd league is not a better choice than starting your career in whatever field you choose.

But you also said that with Corey sanders who we both know doesn't have the literacy to do much outside of basketball
Ehh, I see corey in a different light. He’s a talented kid with a bright mind who many havent gotten to know. Hes a hustler who if he dedicated his time, effort and energy to a career I’m confident would be extremely successful. Charisma and likability goes a long way in life (here is where you say im not going anywhere in life because im not likable)
 
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Honestly, for all you know. While others were trying to change the world in their free time, JY could have been spending that same free time playing XBox or watching TikTok videos. Point is, you really don't know......but if you would only admit that what it really comes down to for you is as long as they "Shut Up and Dribble" you're all good! AMIRIGHT??
Not shut up and dribble but rather i have very little respect for people who use a platform to spread divisive lies and falsehoods to further push a made up narrative. And again, anyone who disagree with me I have an open invite to livestream a conversation on the topic here of the lies and falsehoods with data and stats.
 

SirScarlet

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Us too, because it will be the end to your perpetual string of tiring, absurd, made up criticisms of Geo. He stood up for NIL which virtually all student athletes are 100% behind. Oh, and social justice like millions of others around the world of all races did, but of course you've said racism in this country doesn't exist so we know that not only are you by far the most consistently tiring person on this board, you're equally ignorant.
 

SirScarlet

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Not shut up and dribble but rather i have very little respect for people who use a platform to spread divisive lies and falsehoods to further push a made up narrative. And again, anyone who disagree with me I have an open invite to livestream a conversation on the topic here of the lies and falsehoods with data and stats.
based on your OT board posts/view, I hope you see how hypocritical your post is...
 

Greene Rice FIG

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Exempting Young from the "sorority girls" jab is funny. If Baker/Harper are, he certainly is too. Only one of the three bailed, though.
Exempting Young from the "sorority girls" jab is funny. If Baker/Harper are, he certainly is too. Only one of the three bailed, though.

Wish him the best, but I've never been a fan of the "I got mine" mentality. This is basketball, not figure skating... it's a team sport, and looking out for number one doesn't help anyone.
I don’t think it is fair to say he bailed. Baker and Harper are treated differently than others (I get it) and are captains.

if Baker or Harper or anyone else feels they are slighted they probably leave too.
 

Greene Rice FIG

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If everyone was trashing Baker I would be defending him. Young is selfish and immature and I’d be very worried seeing these quotes how he’d approach the 2021-22 season.

I like Young, my family likes Young and he is charasmatic on the court.
 

RUInsanityToo

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Not shut up and dribble but rather i have very little respect for people who use a platform to spread divisive lies and falsehoods to further push a made up narrative. And again, anyone who disagree with me I have an open invite to livestream a conversation on the topic here of the lies and falsehoods with data and stats.

I'm a little unclear on what divisive lies, falsehoods and made up narratives have been spread by Geo & Ron to the point that you refer to them as "Sorority Girls".
 
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I'm a little unclear on what divisive lies, falsehoods and made up narratives have been spread by Geo & Ron to the point that you refer to them as "Sorority Girls".
Then you never followed them on twitter. Granted I havent for a year or so at this point but still see things people retweet of them. The sorority girls thing is in reference to their general tone of being drama queens not the lies and falsehoods they spread of “systemic racism”
 

RUPete

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If everyone was trashing Baker I would be defending him. Young is selfish and immature and I’d be very worried seeing these quotes how he’d approach the 2021-22 season.

I like Young, my family likes Young and he is charasmatic on the court.
But that's just it- I really haven't seen anyone trash Jacob. They may comment on the pros and cons of his game, but that doesn't constitute trashing. The problem is you have a handful of fanboy posters, well really only one major one, that keep bringing this up for debate which of course is going to lead to a discussion of the pros and cons of a player. And if anyone is doing any trashing of RU players, it's fanboy.
 

Greene Rice FIG

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It's likely they all have that mentality on the court to some degree - or they would likely not be playing D1 Basketball. There are many people who are extremely athletic in this world, what differentiates those who make it and those who don't often comes down to the mental part.
Add to that the fact that Jacob knows in practice he can shut Geo down and Geo has no chance of staying in front of Jacob on D.
 

RUChoppin

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MJ didn't have an "I got mine" attitude. He knew it took a team too win, and he was alpha af beating them into a team he knew could compete.

Basketball is a team sport. If you can't gel with your teammates (or force them to get in line) or play the role your coach puts you in, you're better off playing in 1x1 pickup games.

If you're MJ or Bird or another HOF level player with transcendent talent, you have much more clout to push back on what you feel your role should be our when you're number gets called. When you're finally putting it together in Year 5, you're not that guy.

Young was a strong cog in the machine for us last season. He gave us the three years he signed on for, and improved dramatically with this staff. I wish him the best finding a machine that lets him be more of the focal point, if that's what he's looking for.
 

Greene Rice FIG

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Hmmm, trashing a player? Let this go. This debate is ridiculous.
Do you not think that Jacob knows and thinks this? I am sure Jacob also isn't thinking that he has the inability to find open guys while penetrating OR when he does beat a guy off the dribble he isn't always going to finish against help. He probably also doesn't think he is a below average (at best) perimeter shooter.
 

RUPete

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Do you not think that Jacob knows and thinks this? I am sure Jacob also isn't thinking that he has the inability to find open guys while penetrating OR when he does beat a guy off the dribble he isn't always going to finish against help. He probably also doesn't think he is a below average (at best) perimeter shooter.
Yeah, but um, he's not here anymore. FYI- gone a few months now.
 
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Ehh, I see corey in a different light. He’s a talented kid with a bright mind who many havent gotten to know. Hes a hustler who if he dedicated his time, effort and energy to a career I’m confident would be extremely successful. Charisma and likability goes a long way in life (here is where you say im not going anywhere in life because im not likable)
Nah I mean you clearly are successful in you're career, I can't take that away from you. I think you can be a bit pompous but it is what it is.

Corey can barely speak a coherent sentence. I'm sure there are careers out there for him but not one in finance/marketing etc
 
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Nah I mean you clearly are successful in you're career, I can't take that away from you. I think you can be a bit pompous but it is what it is.

Corey can barely speak a coherent sentence. I'm sure there are careers out there for him but not one in finance/marketing etc
Thats corey playing a role. Granted hes from the mud in florida but im confident he can code switch when needed. Some of these kids just feel the need to always play a role and project an image. Ive only spoken with corey once but the way he spoke was very different than what you see on camera. Doesnt have to be finance or banking either.
 
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RUsojo

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Do you not think that Jacob knows and thinks this? I am sure Jacob also isn't thinking that he has the inability to find open guys while penetrating OR when he does beat a guy off the dribble he isn't always going to finish against help. He probably also doesn't think he is a below average (at best) perimeter shooter.
JY was our best three point shooter last year aside from Paul (minimal attempts open looks which is perfect for him) and better than everyone else considerably. That one should be walked back a bit for sure.
 

Knights 1212

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I always liked Jacob and all of our players but I think his comments on sprained ankles came across as if a sprained ankle is not a serious injury and that he suffered them several times and always played through it. To me it sounded like he was aiming at Geo and Ron with his comments. Not a good look for him from my view.
 

MADHAT1

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JY was our best three point shooter last year aside from Paul (minimal attempts open looks which is perfect for him) and better than everyone else considerably. That one should be walked back a bit for sure.
He also was one with most turnovers per game almost doubling the #2 in turning the ball over per game.
He was a very good player, but had his faults as well.
Only RHJ played more minutes than JY
Paul was #4 in the minute department
 

GoodOl'Rutgers

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I appreciate JY's time here. A lot of good moments that I'll never forget. But from a dispassionate lookahead perspective, I don't think we'll end up missing him very much in 2021-22. Once next year's team loses a game or two people will miss the idea of him at his best and make him out to be Zavier Simpson or Anthony Cowan or something, but they'll forget the 4+ turnover games and the 4-12 shooting days. The offense was 10th in the conference in 2020 when he was not very good. It was 9th in 2021 when he played much better. Whatever it's going to be in 2022, it's going to be and his presence would not meaningfully change it.
I think that sums it up pretty well. There was a good chunk of time last season where i thought JY was the most important player on the team. BUT, I think, that doesn't mean what JY might have thought that meant. It didn't mean he gets to do anything he wants.. it meant that the way he was being used was great for what we needed from JY.. what the team needed. When he tried to do too much that ratio of good to bad all fell apart.
 
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Oregon And Rutgers are different programs. Oregon’s season is a disappointment if they don’t make the final four. Ours is a disappointment if we don’t make it to second day of big ten tournament.
Oregon has been to one Final Four in more than 70 years. I sincerely hope almost every other season in school history has not been a disappointment to them.

I apologize if I missed someone pointing this out the last 3 pages of the thread as it is too hard to read quickly on my phone.
 
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cm_13

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“I got mine” mentality usually isnt playing balls to the wall defense every second theyre on the floor and shutting down all-americans. But hey, we’ll agree to disagree here. JY was alllllll about ball, didnt concern himself about things out of his control, didnt wanna get into the distraction bs, rarely used social media. One of the big issues is all he cared about was ball while some other guys were more concerned with believing they could change the world
Yes, Jacob Young was very good this past year, but ****, he’s shutting down All Americans now? What All Americans did Jacob Young shut down this season?
 
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Yes, Jacob Young was very good this past year, but ****, he’s shutting down All Americans now? What All Americans did Jacob Young shut down this season?
Myles Powell last year and marcus carr who was first team all b1g and he literally erased him
 

Greene Rice FIG

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JY was our best three point shooter last year aside from Paul (minimal attempts open looks which is perfect for him) and better than everyone else considerably. That one should be walked back a bit for sure.
……………and he still is a poor perimeter shooter.

hopefully the walk is forward.

I am dead serious……I don’t remember when the last time I saw a player from Rutgers off the ball come off a screen catch and shoot.

probably kcg uploads some to prove me wrong

Jacob is not a good perimeter shooter.
 

cm_13

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Myles Powell last year and marcus carr who was first team all b1g and he literally erased him
Myles Powell and Jacob Young were on the floor together for maybe all of five minutes in that game. Young didn’t check in until about five minutes in

Marcus Carr is not an All American. He was also not 1st team All Big Ten. He was 3rd team.
 
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Myles Powell and Jacob Young were on the floor together for maybe all of five minutes in that game. Young didn’t check in until about five minutes in

Marcus Carr is not an All American. He was also not 1st team All Big Ten. He was 3rd team.
He was 1st,2nd or 3rd team depending upon which poll you look at
 

kcg88

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……………and he still is a poor perimeter shooter.

hopefully the walk is forward.

I am dead serious……I don’t remember when the last time I saw a player from Rutgers off the ball come off a screen catch and shoot.

probably kcg uploads some to prove me wrong

Jacob is not a good perimeter shooter.
Oh no, lack of a catch and shoot guy who can come off a screen has been a problem forever.

I would also take the under on 37% from 3 for Jacob Young next season. (37% was his number this past year)
 

RU84

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Oregon has been to one Final Four in more than 70 years. I sincerely hope almost every other season in school history has not been a disappointment to them.

I apologize if I missed someone pointing this out the last 3 pages of the thread as it is too hard to read quickly on my phone.
Why did JY and Eugene think they have a better path to the NBA with Oregon vs RU?
 

NewJerseyHawk

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NJHawk,

We actually see things similarly. Rubs me the wrong way you trash guys that leave as they were no good. And blast fans that don’t think everyone on our roster is great.

I agree with a lot of what you say.
I didn't trash him, I trashed his attitude.....I trashed his "I'm out tweet, 15 minutes after the season ended.....I trashed his "University of Rutgers". Those aren't mistakes, that's a lack of something that I don't overlook....maybe it's OK for you, definitely not for me.

There are always going to be "me-first", players at every turn, on every team. I question fans who cannot separate "me-1st" players, who demonstrate at times that they don't share the ball, and then fans turn around and say "look at how productive the player is, he averaged this PPG and this RPG".

Young didn't handle his departure well and but he added a level of competitiveness that the roster needed and he played hard.....playing hard doesn't excuse his actions during games and his decision to leave during the season, because he wasn’t able to be a distributor, despite the talent to do so..........this is my opinion, but you should know, I gather as much information as possible, before hitting the boards with things.

If you have noticed, I have not trashed Montez Mathis.....I have expressed what items prevented Mathis from getting to the next level as a college player, that he wasn't a trusted ball handler that could bring the ball up as a true combo guard. But he played hard, just like Jacob. But Mathis didn’t have a good looking jumper out of HS.....but he corrected it and worked very, very hard to rebuild his form on his jumper and range.....he will do well at St John's, it's a system that fits what he does best.

Did Mathis say "University of Rutgers".....do you see a lack of support from his current teammates?? Not all all, the teammates, based on what I see and am aware of, like and support Montez Mathis.

Did you see my "trashing" of Myles Johnson"....No....because Myles worked his tail off, represented RU is as many right ways as you possibly can and went from non-factor to borderline all-time building block for this rebuild. He is a special kid and unique student athlete.....I am and do not "trash all players when they depart RU".....

I do look at what a team has (or doesn't have) coming onto a roster and look at what can be replaced and duplicated or exceeded.....and in most cases, there's more than one way to win games in basketball. RU and this current roster, should have more ways to potentially win games. And as long as that happens, I will likely tell you that a player won't be missed on the court, because the rest of the roster can make up for the "loss".

To close the loop on Jacob Young, he made big plays, in big spots of games for RU, but I maintain, that will as much physical gifts and athletic abilities that far exceeded the rest of our guards, it was his inability to play team basketball, that limits his ceiling as a player. And until he grasps that concept and drops the mantra of just "let's go out there and hoop", he will be a player who should be better than what he is.

He has the athletic ability to match Corey Sanders in speed,, quickness,, he is faster than Sanders, more quickness than Sanders, but Sanders, despite not having a 3 point shot that was as reliable as Young, clearly understood better, how to score and get to a place where he could score, much better than Young......Sanders was dynamic and carried a much less talented roster on his back,, during a 3-15 B1G season, but took his game to a next level at MSG......he played within the offense and shared the ball with Geo Baker, as a frosh.....and did so without the high amount of turnovers. He was a better playmaker than Young and passer/distributor.
 

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I didn't trash him, I trashed his attitude.....I trashed his "I'm out tweet, 15 minutes after the season ended.....I trashed his "University of Rutgers". Those aren't mistakes, that's a lack of something that I don't overlook....maybe it's OK for you, definitely not for me.

There are always going to be "me-first", players at every turn, on every team. I question fans who cannot separate "me-1st" players, who demonstrate at times that they don't share the ball, and then fans turn around and say "look at how productive the player is, he averaged this PPG and this RPG".

Young didn't handle his departure well and but he added a level of competitiveness that the roster needed and he played hard.....playing hard doesn't excuse his actions during games and his decision to leave during the season, because he wasn’t able to be a distributor, despite the talent to do so..........this is my opinion, but you should know, I gather as much information as possible, before hitting the boards with things.

If you have noticed, I have not trashed Montez Mathis.....I have expressed what items prevented Mathis from getting to the next level as a college player, that he wasn't a trusted ball handler that could bring the ball up as a true combo guard. But he played hard, just like Jacob. But Mathis didn’t have a good looking jumper out of HS.....but he corrected it and worked very, very hard to rebuild his form on his jumper and range.....he will do well at St John's, it's a system that fits what he does best.

Did Mathis say "University of Rutgers".....do you see a lack of support from his current teammates?? Not all all, the teammates, based on what I see and am aware of, like and support Montez Mathis.

Did you see my "trashing" of Myles Johnson"....No....because Myles worked his tail off, represented RU is as many right ways as you possibly can and went from non-factor to borderline all-time building block for this rebuild. He is a special kid and unique student athlete.....I am and do not "trash all players when they depart RU".....

I do look at what a team has (or doesn't have) coming onto a roster and look at what can be replaced and duplicated or exceeded.....and in most cases, there's more than one way to win games in basketball. RU and this current roster, should have more ways to potentially win games. And as long as that happens, I will likely tell you that a player won't be missed on the court, because the rest of the roster can make up for the "loss".

To close the loop on Jacob Young, he made big plays, in big spots of games for RU, but I maintain, that will as much physical gifts and athletic abilities that far exceeded the rest of our guards, it was his inability to play team basketball, that limits his ceiling as a player. And until he grasps that concept and drops the mantra of just "let's go out there and hoop", he will be a player who should be better than what he is.

He has the athletic ability to match Corey Sanders in speed,, quickness,, he is faster than Sanders, more quickness than Sanders, but Sanders, despite not having a 3 point shot that was as reliable as Young, clearly understood better, how to score and get to a place where he could score, much better than Young......Sanders was dynamic and carried a much less talented roster on his back,, during a 3-15 B1G season, but took his game to a next level at MSG......he played within the offense and shared the ball with Geo Baker, as a frosh.....and did so without the high amount of turnovers. He was a better playmaker than Young and passer/distributor.


Did that competitiveness lift the team?
 

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NJH,

I think you have minimized how much he meant to last year’s team. I also think you are flat out ignoring how the core played and the effort they brought.

You hit a nerve with me with how overboard you go defending current guys and minimizing contributions from guys that left. I still always make sure I read everything you post and you are one of the best posters we have.
 
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