@Richie O - can you dispel this notion that Indiana had similar NIL to RU when it went to the CFP last year and their money only came in now. I don't have time to go find the threads and links.
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Here's some red meat for you, but this refers to Indiana's TOTAL NIL haul at the end of 2024.
Remember also that Indiana basketball also spends NIL, unlike Rutgers, which left Pikiell to stand outside liquor stores hawking for pocket change.
Yes, Indiana has way more NIL money than Rutgers. That's because Cignetti ignited fan excitement and donations.
IDK if you will get a clear answer of the money ACTUALLY spent for the 2024 team and the 29 incoming transfers.
collegefootballnetwork.com
Remember also that Indiana basketball also spends NIL, unlike Rutgers, which left Pikiell to stand outside liquor stores hawking for pocket change.
Yes, Indiana has way more NIL money than Rutgers. That's because Cignetti ignited fan excitement and donations.
IDK if you will get a clear answer of the money ACTUALLY spent for the 2024 team and the 29 incoming transfers.
Anonymous Big Ten Coach Reveals What Really Sparked Indiana Football’s Turnaround | College Sports Network
Indiana football’s bold hire of Curt Cignetti, savvy portal moves, and $13.6M NIL boost turned the Hoosiers into surprise 2024 College Football Playoff contenders.
collegefootballnetwork.com
Indiana had near the top of the Big Ten last year in terms of NIL, it was part of the deal that Cignetti was promised when he signed on. However he also has a clear eye for talent, a lot of his JMU kids came over with him and played significant roles iirc.
Article from a year ago.
It may not have been Cuban but the NIL was there in '24. It would seem the NIL was a big reason why he took the job. I believe Cignetti has said as much.
From the Indiana AD...........
"He says much of Cignetti's early success has been thanks to the school's rampant NIL fund."
"Coach Cignetti would not be here if we didn't have a robust NIL program. That's just because you have to have the resources to be able to win. As good as he is, he needs those resources as well," Dolson explained. “The NIL opportunity for us has enabled us to really level the playing field around the country.”"
Historic Indiana Football fueled through Cignetti, NIL
I've seen that chart referenced in that article and have posted it here and it comes from that nil-ncaa site or whatever, it's estimates and algorithms they used just like on3. It's not actual numbers they have access to seeing or by sourcing it from different places like CFB mainstream media. Everything is opaque, that's part of the problem and it still is even now with revenue sharing.Here's some red meat for you, but this refers to Indiana's TOTAL NIL haul at the end of 2024.
Remember also that Indiana basketball also spends NIL, unlike Rutgers, which left Pikiell to stand outside liquor stores hawking for pocket change.
Yes, Indiana has way more NIL money than Rutgers. That's because Cignetti ignited fan excitement and donations.
IDK if you will get a clear answer of the money ACTUALLY spent for the 2024 team and the 29 incoming transfers.
Anonymous Big Ten Coach Reveals What Really Sparked Indiana Football’s Turnaround | College Sports Network
Indiana football’s bold hire of Curt Cignetti, savvy portal moves, and $13.6M NIL boost turned the Hoosiers into surprise 2024 College Football Playoff contenders.
LSU had 18M this year (with revenue sharing) according to Brian Kelly from that article I posted from the Athletic. He said it was more than 3 times what they had last year (pre revenue sharing and only 3rd party NIL). That chart shows LSU at 20M for last year and that's suppose to be only 3rd party NIL. So according to Brian Kelly LSU had probably 5-6M in NIL last year not 20M. And does it makes sense that LSU would have 18M this year with revenue sharing and had 20M last year without revenue sharing? So that chart and sources like it aren't reliable to me. Many of these things you see online aren't.
Also it shows MSU with 13M of 3rd party NIL. I don't particularly buy that either. I posted an article here from the Athletic that an NIL funded by a billionaire MSU booster had to shut down because they couldn't keep up with payments to the players. They had to avert a near walkout before one of their games. An NIL funded by a billionaire booster doesn't have enough money....think about that lol....goes to show you can't make all these assumptions.
That's the main point, in the pre-revenue sharing world there are a lot of overestimations and exaggerations based on false assumptions or misleading information or outright lies. There probably still are even now.
But this year everyone's NIL has gone up due to revenue sharing so I'm more likely believe numbers out there but last year with only 3rd party NIL...I don't think most average every day places had all that much...certainly not double digits etc...
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Never said NiL wasn’t there at Indiana. My response was to billionaire. Cignetti demanded NIL much like I would hope Greg would have demanded if he took the job last year. Rather than demanding increased and bloated staff and infrastructure. Loys changed in the last 5 years and field house is no longer Greg’s priority. It’s a want versus need. Nil is priority. Only thing is our administration didn’t embrace and actually fought the implementation. Thanks Hobbs.
Exactly what you and I have been saying the past couple of years. These NIL numbers are vastly overstated. When you have coaches and administrators saying we don’t spend anywhere near those numbers. When you have donors saying I gave in kind versus dollars it creates a grey market and one that gets wildly blown out of proportion. There will be a return to normalcy at some point with actual numbers.
I agree. Hobbs lack of vision or downright disdain for NIL has been a killer.
The number I've seen that Indiana had in '24 was $13+ Million. Cignetti used it to bring in better players, many of whom he had done a great job developing and coaching previously.
Sure RU fans can be upset over what we've witnessed this year but it would seem RU is competing with 1 hand tied behind it's back.
If LSU had about 5-6M in 2024 pre-revenue sharing how much do you think most average everyday schools had before revenue sharing?
Here are some more quotes from assistants at LSU from an article in the Athletic in November 2024. Now who would have assumed comments like these coming out of LSU. I bet no one, myself included.
Like I've said, revenue sharing was the big deal, 3rd party NIL not so much in most places. That's why I've seen quite a few comments from coaches looking forward to revenue sharing because it was much bigger difference maker than 3rd party NIL in most places. I've posted quotes about that here too.
From the article:
There are also questions about how well LSU is keeping up with the competition when it comes to name, image and likeness compensation for players.
“Some of it has been the misperception that this place is rolling in dough, when the reality of it is they are losing recruits because they’re simply being outbid,” one of the former assistants said.
Back in May, Kelly lamented LSU coming up short when portal shopping: “We were in the market, in the transfer portal, looking for defensive linemen. It hasn’t fared very well, quite frankly, because we are selling something a little bit differently. And that is, we want to recruit. We want to engage, build relationships. We want to develop, retain, and have success. We’re not in the market of buying players. … And unfortunately, right now, that’s what some guys are looking for. They want to be bought. … We’re not going to go out and buy players.”
With revenue-sharing with players on the horizon, and possibly less emphasis on booster-funded NIL deals, the system might be moving in Kelly’s favor.
Seriously he has a plethora of talent and resources and $$$ at PSU, what makes you think he could come here an be successful with a small percentage of what he had there.
Less resources and talent, harder conference…
“In all three seasons under Franklin, the Commodores have accomplished highs not achieved since decades earlier, or ever before. And with each, year the accomplishments have only exceeded those from the previous season. In 2011, he inherited a team that had finished 2-10 in two consecutive seasons and directed them to an appearance in the Liberty Bowl. In 2012, Franklin led the Commodores to nine wins – their most since 1915 — which included a victory in the Music City Bowl. In 2013, Vanderbilt defeated Florida, Georgia and Tennessee in the same season for the first time ever and again won eight games in the regular season for the second straight year — a first since the 1920s. By defeating Houston in the BBVA Compass Bowl, Vanderbilt won nine games for two straight seasons, something that has never happened in school history. Vanderbilt has four seasons of nine wins in its history and two have come under Franklin the last two years. In 2012 and 2013, Vanderbilt finished the season ranked in the Associated Press and USA Today Coaches[apos] Polls, marking the first time in school history the Commodores have achieved such a feat in consecutive years.”
Exactly. LSU historically is one of the better funded programs in the country. Makes no sense the numbers thrown around by other programs and media.
The role of coach has changed significantly over the past 4-5 years. You can’t only be a developer of talent. You need to be able to develop, retain and manage a roster. Every year is a new challenge. Can’t rely on 2-3-4 year roster with no significant changes.
Of the 18 total wins in 2012 and in 2013 - 4 were teams that finished over .500
Ole Miss at 7-6
NC State at 7-6
Georgia at 8-5
Houston at 8-5
I think he is a better coach than what we have, I do not think he will be able to turn this around
mental gymnastics
at the end of the day, player evaluation for system employed matters most
at the end of the day, player evaluation for system employed matters most
This isn’t true. Cignetti wasn’t taking the job without adequate NIL.
He says much of Cignetti's early success has been thanks to the school's rampant NIL fund.
"Coach Cignetti would not be here if we didn't have a robust NIL program. That's just because you have to have the resources to be able to win. As good as he is, he needs those resources as well," Dolson explained. “The NIL opportunity for us has enabled us to really level the playing field around the country.”
Historic Indiana Football fueled through Cignetti, NIL
Indiana University Athletic Director Scott Dolson says Curt Cignetti wouldn't have come to Indiana without robust NIL support.
www.wrtv.com
What exactly is not true? I have said all along. Cignetti asked for Nil. And was assured he would have it. Do you even read before you post.This isn’t true. Cignetti wasn’t taking the job without adequate NIL.
He says much of Cignetti's early success has been thanks to the school's rampant NIL fund.
"Coach Cignetti would not be here if we didn't have a robust NIL program. That's just because you have to have the resources to be able to win. As good as he is, he needs those resources as well," Dolson explained. “The NIL opportunity for us has enabled us to really level the playing field around the country.”
Historic Indiana Football fueled through Cignetti, NIL
Indiana University Athletic Director Scott Dolson says Curt Cignetti wouldn't have come to Indiana without robust NIL support.
You don’t know who funded Indianas NiL fund. You stated the billionaire wasn’t involved, which is something you can’t prove. The fact is, Indianas NIL was supported by Mark Cubans firm Campus Ink, since 2022.
next, you stated that the portal players Indiana got cost next to nothing. That is false. CJ West got a pretty penny. A good 6 figures.
Indiana Signs Deal With NIL Company Backed by Alum Mark Cuban
The Mavericks majority owner graduated from Indiana in 1981.
www.si.com
The billionaire said he wasn’t involved. I don’t say it he did. Yea all of the $1 million campus ink supplies to the 82 schools that were signed up. 1million to Indiana alone and their nearly 1k athletes. Correlates to $1000. So yea that moves the needle.You don’t know who funded Indianas NiL fund. You stated the billionaire wasn’t involved, which is something you can’t prove. The fact is, Indianas NIL was supported by Mark Cubans firm Campus Ink, since 2022,
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Do any of y’all recognize when a debate is just moving in circles?
Time to take this one out behind the shed and shoot it.
Time to take this one out behind the shed and shoot it.
I think multiple people have multiple log ins and resurrect dead debates for clicks.
somehow they raised the money.
The bottomline is Indiana has significant NIL resources and we have to raise significant NIL resources. End of story.
Exactly what I said. So the you don’t know what you’re talking about comment was not necessary!
No I said the players that came over from JMU were not that expensive and would have followed Cignetti regardless of NIL. Keep digging Al. This has been discussed as nauseum. And Cignetti’s even said that he left money in the budget to fill the gaps in coming years. So all the money raised last year wasn’t spent.
Maybe that’s what you meant. But that’s not what you said. This is what you said.
This makes it sound like Indiana did not spend significantly in the portal when they did.
Al this has been discussed as nauseum in this thread and many before. Didn’t think I need to rehash the historical posts every time.
Thats another good point which I’ve learned from reading about LSU.
Don’t assume the headline figure you see is an annual number only for that given year. Sometimes they push off some of the money to future years which means the overall number can be smaller than the headline when it’s spread out over multiple years. 3rd party NIL isn’t as reliable recurring source of funds as revenue sharing as well.
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So many words to deflect from the fact the Indiana made the playoff in large part because of a good coaching hire
Agree on Cignetti’s talent evaluation being top tier.
Maybe some of these guys that kept denying Indiana’s NIL should join the Round Table so they actually learn a few things about what is going on in college sports. So much has changed and they clearly need some academic support from you.
It was both, he doesn’t go to Indiana without the NIL money.
Dont think anyone is saying Indiana didn’t raise money. I know ruguy2 and I have been saying all along that you can’t believe the numbers being posted. Athletes coaches boosters and administrators have all said these numbers are not accurate.
Yeah and tell those people it's only $1 for your first week to sign up!
That's not nice to say about the guy who does not live in reality.
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One may wonder too, with so many coaches and assistants whether the messaging and instruction is clear or muddled coming from so many directions and people?
That would certainly explain some of what we've seen on defense this season.
think this is a major contributor to many of the issues. One voice is easier to hear than playing a giant game of telephone. Also as others have pointed out not only is the staff enormous but very little experience beyond the retreads.
So an AD is taking credit for its football success on the back of a coach who brought in JMU transfers? They demanded 13 Mil? Lol
is it possible the AD is peacocking to position themselves as important and looking for a contract themselves?
Similary AD’s and coaches not having success will blame the fans for lack of money.
I call BS with transparency will come answers.