The buyout you are referring to is if the coach leaves for another program within the buyout window not if they are fired.
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I have no idea how this Kelli gal is gonna do at Rutgers… But one thing is certain, she jumped into the toughest P4 athletic Director ship in the country. if she can actually accomplish something here at Rutgers, we should build a statue to her.
Are you speaking of Greg’s buyout, or buyouts in general ? In general, terms vary.
Knowing the dynamic between the Grifter and the other buffoon who hired him and gave raises and extensions just for breathing, Greg would probably be owed 2x his remaining salary in a lump sum right away, and an equal amount paid off bi-weekly for 20 years, plus the same for his three kids.
No mitigation via hiring elsewhere because both sides knew that wouldn’t ever happen anyway.
His buyout specifies he needs to get his market value. This deal doesn’t work. PSU is going to pay almost nothing if he takes a P4 HC job.
Greg’s contract reads he is owed 76.875% of his base salary if he is fired without cause, payable on the normal Rutgers pay cycle during the remaining term of Greg’s contract.
Greg and his agent could negotiate a lump sum payment if Rutgers agreed.
Pike’s contract says he gets 100% of his base salary.
So.. Hugh Freeze gets fired after going 6-16 in the SEC....
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And... Schiano gets extended for going 9-27 in the B1G after 4 years here. Yes, I know he took over a trASH team(7-29, 3-24) in 2017-19. Didn't stop Curt Cignetti taking a team that went 9-27(3-24) in 21-23 and going 20-2(14-1) in 24-25.
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Auburn fires football coach Hugh Freeze after 2-plus seasons
Auburn fired football coach Hugh Freeze, who had a 15-19 record and a 6-16 mark in SEC games in his two-plus seasons. D.J. Durkin will be the interim coach.
www.espn.com
And... Schiano gets extended for going 9-27 in the B1G after 4 years here. Yes, I know he took over a trASH team(7-29, 3-24) in 2017-19. Didn't stop Curt Cignetti taking a team that went 9-27(3-24) in 21-23 and going 20-2(14-1) in 24-25.
Rutgers, Schiano Agree To Contract Extension - Rutgers University Athletics
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Can start here:
Rutgers University's nepotism clause
prohibits hiring or supervising family members in a way that creates a supervisor/subordinate relationship, a conflict of interest, or the appearance of a conflict. Employees cannot be involved in personnel decisions, such as hiring or promotion, that directly affect a family member. The policy applies to both staff and faculty and is based on avoiding favoritism and maintaining objectivity in employment and academic decisions.
Key provisions of the Rutgers nepotism clause
- No supervisory roles over family: A family member cannot be in a position to supervise or have hiring authority over another family member.
- Avoidance of conflicts of interest: The policy prohibits relationships that could create an actual or perceived conflict of interest.
- No participation in personnel decisions:Employees must not participate in or influence any decision that could affect a family member's appointment, tenure, promotion, salary, or other status.
- Disclosure and self-recusal: Employees are expected to voluntarily step away from any personnel decisions involving a family member.
- Scope: The policy applies to both faculty and staff employment.
Most college sports head coach contracts state poor on field performance does not qualify as “for cause” and the same tract usually result zero buyout if termination is for cause.
Universities typically don’t like to fire coaches for cause because it invites an expensive lawsuit. Perhaps that is why former RU basketball coach Mike Rive was fired without cause despite indisputable video evidence physical abused and verbally humiliated his own players.
UConn fired basketball coach Kevin Ollie for cause. He sued, won, and was awarded an $11 million payment that UConn had to pay in 10 days.
Seems Hobbs expected to fired for cause. That’s why resigned and didn’t bother suing.
My understanding is that after the arbitrator ruled that Ollie was entitled to the remaining $11 million, UConn and Ollie agreed to a $3.9 million settlement. Ollie was fired after the NCAA found violations in his program, but that still wasn't considered cause. Poor performance wouldn't be considered cause either.
Some schools are only it for the paycheck, not for winning. Grifter Greg can lie about winning championships and boast about choppin all he wants but he knows his job is safe because Rutgers is one of those schools.So.. Hugh Freeze gets fired after going 6-16 in the SEC....
Auburn fires football coach Hugh Freeze after 2-plus seasons
Auburn fired football coach Hugh Freeze, who had a 15-19 record and a 6-16 mark in SEC games in his two-plus seasons. D.J. Durkin will be the interim coach.
And... Schiano gets extended for going 9-27 in the B1G after 4 years here. Yes, I know he took over a trASH team(7-29, 3-24) in 2017-19. Didn't stop Curt Cignetti taking a team that went 9-27(3-24) in 21-23 and going 20-2(14-1) in 24-25.
Rutgers, Schiano Agree To Contract Extension - Rutgers University Athletics
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Thanks for pointing out. I checked and $3.9 million was on top of the $11 million.
Kevin Ollie awarded $3.9 million from UConn, State of Connecticut
The nearly $4 million settlement is in addition to his $11.2 million won in arbitration earlier this year.
www.theuconnblog.com
Yes, because Universities are inherently spineless and run by gutless bureaucrats. FFS they could not see fit to fire Mike Rice, and instead fired the guy who wanted to fire him before firing Mike Rice.
Will be very interesting to see how the new round of Coach contracts go. With the year to year recruiting - well schools go for shorter term high dollar contracts with small buyouts? I don’t think you can count the recent renewals… It will be the deal struck for LSU, Florida, and Penn State that will set the market in this New World.
Oh, I see. He got the $11 million because the arbitrator ruled that UConn didn't have cause to fire him. The $3.9 million was to settle a suit he brought for damage to his reputation and to avoid his suing for race discrimination. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-b...r-men-basketball-coach-kevin-ollie-39-millionThanks for pointing out. I checked and $3.9 million was on top of the $11 million.
Kevin Ollie awarded $3.9 million from UConn, State of Connecticut
The nearly $4 million settlement is in addition to his $11.2 million won in arbitration earlier this year.
Looks like Keli may be targeting PJ Fleck. Connect the dots.
If Franklin answered the phone the first question he would ask is how much NIL will there be every year, then he would hang up laughing
And he has won in both the SEC and Big Ten. Greg’s done neither.
He took a Vanderbilt team that was 4-20//1-15 in conference in previous 2 seasons, and went bowling 3 years in a row, and went 9-4 in years 2 and 3. Greg has had 3 9 plus win seasons in 17 years.
But the Grifter landed an NFL job and is minimally in the Belicheck tree. Plus, who did his three savant sons learn so much from ? Not Franklin.
No contest, Schiano is clearly the vastly superior head coach. And a tremendous bargain at that. In some of our lifetimes, all the Choppin’ will pay off in currently unimaginable ways. Be patient !
Does RU have a billionaire and other wealthy alums donating towards it's NIL like Indiana did? That's why Indiana is a sudden power team when it was a perennial doormat in the B1G for many decades.So.. Hugh Freeze gets fired after going 6-16 in the SEC....
Auburn fires football coach Hugh Freeze after 2-plus seasons
Auburn fired football coach Hugh Freeze, who had a 15-19 record and a 6-16 mark in SEC games in his two-plus seasons. D.J. Durkin will be the interim coach.
And... Schiano gets extended for going 9-27 in the B1G after 4 years here. Yes, I know he took over a trASH team(7-29, 3-24) in 2017-19. Didn't stop Curt Cignetti taking a team that went 9-27(3-24) in 21-23 and going 20-2(14-1) in 24-25.
Rutgers, Schiano Agree To Contract Extension - Rutgers University Athletics
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Indiana did not. Cuban did not donate anything to athletics until Cignetti proved himself last year. Cuban didn’t think about writing an NiL check until after a meeting in December. Thing is I would hope Schiano would have made the same requests as Cignetti if he was hired last year instead of 2019-20. No need to request infrastructure over NIL at this point.
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But this is Year 2. A whole slew of players arrived with Cignetti last year. It may not have been Cuban, but how was that financed?
Cignetti has a coaching and support staff that is less than 1/2 the size of the Rutgers football coaching and support staff. There's a lot of money right there.
Not by a billionaire until this year. As i said. In an in an edit. I would hope Schiano would have asked for NIL funding versus infrastructure. Cignettis whole slew of players last year cost next to nothing. That was a coaching job versus superior roster. His roster improved this year. But again it’s coaching that moved the program 60-70 spots in ranking.
Exactly saw an interview with Cignetti and some of his players. They have spent less time in the football building and on the practice the field in the past 2 years than they ever have in program history. Said they average a little over an hour on the practice field in season. Cignetti believes in working smart not hard. He holds his staff accountable and nothing is done unless it can directly be attributable to winning. The goal is winning! Doesn’t believe in hiring for the sake of hiring. Everyone has a job and responsibility. Doesn’t believe in bloated staff.
You don't have your facts straight. Cignetti demanded a large NIL war chest as a condition to accepting the Indiana job, that's a fact reported by multiple people in the media. He didn't magically pull of last year's CFP run on a shoestring.
Exactly what I said. He requested NIL much like I would hope Greg would have done if hired last year. His team last year was not full of players that proved themselves and were high priority players. I have my facts straight. Don’t believe everything you hear on this site. Couple posters are way off with how much people cost and who is making the donations.
For this season, the large NIL war chest was in play. Not for 2024. Check out the incoming transfers in the wiki page:
29 transfers-12 were from James Madison, 9 were from G5 schools such as Old Dominion, 1 was from Anderson College, 7 were from Power 5, but none seemed to be standouts or blue chips, except for QB Kurtis Rourke- it was speculated he got close to $1M in 2024.
2024 Indiana Hoosiers football team - Wikipedia
See above.
It's been discussed a thousand times on the Round Table. The money was there for his first year and there was more this year. You guys act like players from G5 schools don't command large amounts of NIL. Several of those JMU guys would have been courted by blue bloods if they didn't follow Cignetti to Indiana. Clearly they were P4 caliber players based on how they played and they were compensated better than you realize.For this season, the large NIL war chest was in play. Not for 2024. Check out the incoming transfers in the wiki page:
29 transfers-12 were from James Madison, 9 were from G5 schools such as Old Dominion, 1 was from Anderson College, 7 were from Power 5, but none seemed to be standouts or blue chips, except for QB Kurtis Rourke- it was speculated he got close to $1M in 2024.
2024 Indiana Hoosiers football team - Wikipedia
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See above.
Do people on the Round Table have superior knowledge because they pay for information that is available for free?
The reality of Franklin...First, he isn't coming here...but not because it is undesirable or not a program to win...He is just going to get bigger offers.
You all forget he coached Vandy, and they must have been the least desirable place to coach back then. And he can see what he did with them and where they are now.
And Rutgers really isn't all that "horrific" of a place to be a HC now. We are having a bad year but placed ourselves in a very respectable position in the B1G over the past couple of years...Can easily go upwards.
We now have a president and AD that will fully support the HC to make football successful.
We would find the right money for the right coach and we are in a favorable location for many reasons.
Paying a new HC 3-4 mil is not going to be the way our President goes on the next hire unless it really is the hottest HC out there stepping up to P4.
Also- let's say a HC does come in and wins here at Rutgers- they are not stupid- look how one single season of magic made Schiano a household name. If any coach does here what is happening at Indiana- it would be crazy. And it actually could happen.
You all forget he coached Vandy, and they must have been the least desirable place to coach back then. And he can see what he did with them and where they are now.
And Rutgers really isn't all that "horrific" of a place to be a HC now. We are having a bad year but placed ourselves in a very respectable position in the B1G over the past couple of years...Can easily go upwards.
We now have a president and AD that will fully support the HC to make football successful.
We would find the right money for the right coach and we are in a favorable location for many reasons.
Paying a new HC 3-4 mil is not going to be the way our President goes on the next hire unless it really is the hottest HC out there stepping up to P4.
Also- let's say a HC does come in and wins here at Rutgers- they are not stupid- look how one single season of magic made Schiano a household name. If any coach does here what is happening at Indiana- it would be crazy. And it actually could happen.
The problem is though that this year much better financed jobs than ours are open. We do not have a Pegula, we do not have the boosters that Auburn or Florida or probably even VT have.
Firing GS for some midlevel MAC coach is crazy.
I could persuaded for Kelly (though NJ.Com would be on the ground in South Bend looking into the videographer death) or someone who has actually p5 experience. But that person isn't coming here this year.
He should go to a HBCU and let PSU pay for it... or the NFL... or TV. Fox/BTN could use him.
I suggested something similar when we spoke of getting rid of Ash. Hire young up-and-comers.. unproven with something to prove.. winners at much lower levels. Pay them little.. but multiples of what they were paid at their level. SPEND on support staff who have experience doing things at THIS level... to get him up to speed. And this is the hard part.. balancing job security in a contract.. to help the recruiting process.. with a cheap way to fire him if he does not show good progress in 3 years. I figured it might take 3-4 coaches before we find that diamond-in-the-rough.. and the money we would have saved could go to paying that guy to keep him at Rutgers.. like Indiana is paying Cignetti.
Of course, NIL and Easy transfers happened and that affects any plan these days.
Wrong they brought in Cignetti when we should have instead of extending Greg.
Cignetti won with JMU transfers and went to the CFP. THEN the Cuban money came in
There was money there for him before Cuban's money. It was a condition of accepting the job not vice versa.
Just like Fran Brown didn't take the Sewercuse job without their alums agreeing to provide a certain amount of NIL.
No coach is going to a team that has lacked recent success without an NIL war chest being ready to go day 1.
Nobody knows how much money they had, but it probably is not much more than Greg had the past couple of years. It's on record he paiid Jett Elad $450K. The 2025 class had 19 incoming transfers. It is reasonable to conclude that to hang onto at least Duff and Strong and pay the incoming transfers, Greg had at least $5M to work with.
Regardless, Cignetti was a spark that excited donors and ignited more NIL giving. The donors were fatigued under Tom Allen:
Greg is 30-39 (0.435)//14-37 (0.275) in year six, which is worse than Tom Allen after seven years. He seems to be on a similar trajectory as Tom Allen. Not too many donors are going to be excited to give to NIL based on that record.
Fine, keep believing that Indiana made it to the CFP with NIL not much more than what RU had. Not the case but I'm not going to go round and round talking to the wall either.
Wall meet wall. You have shown nothing in terms of numbers, but have instead provided speculation referring to "Round Table" discussions.
I provided numbers- 19 incoming transfer for Rutgers and 2 NFL caliber receivers plus an experienced starting QB returning. Jett Elad got $450K, which is in court testimony. Indiana had 29 incoming transfers.
The difference in NIL money in 2024 is probably not very large. The bigger difference is a competent coaching staff and not a lot of money wasted on a bloated coaching staff that is not producing results.