Fred should be fired today

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Erik Strickland Terrance Badgett, Jaron Boone Jason Glock Mikki Moore Bernard Garner….. oh boy look at this years roster would anyone other than Gary and Williams even see a minute of playing time in 95-96?
Strickland was such a bulldog - he was really fun to watch. Just think of the what-ifs with that team if Andre Woolridge hadn't transferred to Iowa after his freshman year. He ended up a 3 year started for them and a 3rd team AA his senior year.
 

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Since Fred's hall pass is clearly stamped LACK OF NIL, should there be a different collective in Lincoln?

I would also love to know how much more NIL money Deivon Smith got than Rollie Worster. Maybe St. John's shelled out way more $ than NU did - I really don't know. But last spring Smith was the Utah guard that I wanted badly because he was actually an athletic point guard. Now Smith's going dancing as a #2 or #3 seed and the Huskers are limping into The Crown with the stellar trio of Worster, Sam and Ulis.
No one knows the NIL situation. It’s just the latest excuse.
 

Redscarlet

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I would say the best team in Husker history that I remember back to the mid-70s was the '91 team which was referenced earlier in this thread. They finished the year 26-8 and were a #3 seed in the Big Dance. They rolled out a front line that included 7'2" Rich King, 6'10 Tony Farmer, 6'8" Beau Reid, 6'8 Dapreis Owens and 6'8 Carl Hayes, and then had the Polish Rifle coming off the bench as a true frosh. Travesty that team lost in the first round.
Totally agree, this team had potential and should have went further..
Every other tournament game we were a low seed except for 6th seed in 94.

2nd best Nebraska team was Cipriano’s 65-66 team that went 20-5 and finished 2 to KU in the Big 8, but only conference champions made the tournament back in those days.
 

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I do not agree. Sam plays hard, gets a lot of loose balls and rebounds, but most importantly makes up for the mistakes made by other players. He can score, but do I ever think he will be a big scorer? No. I just think he is a great "Glue" player. Does the dirty work for the team.
He gets put in a blender 5 plus times a game. Towards the end of the Maryland game they just Iso'd him because they knew he couldn't guard the guy. Playing hard doesn't make you a D1 P4 starter.
 

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I find the comparison of Fred and Rhule very odd. Like it or not Rhule improved year one to year two. And still made some pretty big changes on the staff and seems like nil amped up this year. Fred 6 years made one tourney then regressed and the wheels fell off this year. Now if Rhule only hits 6-7 wins next year the conversation would make more sense.
I have stated something similar earlier. It’s mainly Kong pushing the narrative. If Rhule had gone to a news years day bowl in 2023 then the pinstripe in 2024 then you could compare with Fred.
 

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Strickland was such a bulldog - he was really fun to watch. Just think of the what-ifs with that team if Andre Woolridge hadn't transferred to Iowa after his freshman year. He ended up a 3 year started for them and a 3rd team AA his senior year.
It wasn’t all NBA but there were 8-9 guys that played professionally on that roster and maybe 5 that did make the NBA? Haven’t even had a collection of that type of talent in the 30 years since then combined!
 

regoratsginrom

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Since Fred's hall pass is clearly stamped LACK OF NIL, should there be a different collective in Lincoln?

I would also love to know how much more NIL money Deivon Smith got than Rollie Worster. Maybe St. John's shelled out way more $ than NU did - I really don't know. But last spring Smith was the Utah guard that I wanted badly because he was actually an athletic point guard. Now Smith's going dancing as a #2 or #3 seed and the Huskers are limping into The Crown with the stellar trio of Worster, Sam and Ulis.
I often see Matt Davison sitting courtside at games and he actually played for the Huskers as an end of the bench guy. 🤷‍♂️
 

Big bo fan

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Is Oregon’s NIL just a few huge donors or is their entire fanbase contributing? I raise that question because their game against us their arena was 2/3 filled. How can we use our extraordinary fanbase to our advantage?
Do you live under a rock ? Oregons NIL is Phil knight. NIKE have you heard of him and it .
 

schuele

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I often see Matt Davison sitting courtside at games and he actually played for the Huskers as an end of the bench guy. 🤷‍♂️
So does that mean he's doing a good job of generating NIL support for basketball, or not?

Like I said earlier, I honestly don't know. I just have a hard time swallowing the idea that the state of NU basketball is due to lack of resources, or that it's a turn of events for which absolutely nobody can be held accountable.
 

dinglefritz

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Does he recruit the players? Enough said. He is very average at least at this point in his career. Blame it on whatever you want but we have to get better or why play?
We don't support basketball NIL enough to be able to attract top talent. Didn't BYU just pay a freshman basketball recruit 7 million? Our basketball budget is a couple pairs of shoes and a pack of gum compared to that.
 

dinglefritz

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So does that mean he's doing a good job of generating NIL support for basketball, or not?

Like I said earlier, I honestly don't know. I just have a hard time swallowing the idea that the state of NU basketball is due to lack of resources, or that it's a turn of events for which absolutely nobody can be held accountable.
I just don't think there's the economic base in our alumni and fan base to support both football and basketball NIL the way we would have to win at the level some expect.
 

schuele

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We don't support basketball NIL enough to be able to attract top talent. Didn't BYU just pay a freshman basketball recruit 7 million? Our basketball budget is a couple pairs of shoes and a pack of gum compared to that.
How does Nebraska's basketball NIL compare to Iowa State's? Or St. John's? Or Texas Tech's?

I'm anxious to learn all these details.
 

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We don't support basketball NIL enough to be able to attract top talent. Didn't BYU just pay a freshman basketball recruit 7 million? Our basketball budget is a couple pairs of shoes and a pack of gum compared to that.
You have no idea
 

dinglefritz

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How does Nebraska's basketball NIL compare to Iowa State's? Or St. John's? Or Texas Tech's?

I'm anxious to learn all these details.
I have no way of knowing Iowa State's but I know they have deals with a casino and a vodka company. Texas Tech has over 63,000 undergrad students and many of their grads go on to work in the energy field. You tell me if they might have a larger economic base than NU.
 

dinglefritz

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You have no idea
The proof is the kind of players we get. We paid Brice and Juwan to stick around this past year but thruthfully where was Gary going to go? Europe? We need enough NIL to pay 5-6 top guys not just 2 guys and a few cast offs with huge holes in their games.
 

schuele

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I have no way of knowing Iowa State's but I know they have deals with a casino and a vodka company. Texas Tech has over 63,000 undergrad students and many of their grads go on to work in the energy field. You tell me if they might have a larger economic base than NU.
They might both have gangbusters NIL for basketball - I have no idea. You're the one who's stating as a cold hard fact that NU's NIL for basketball is inadequate and not competitive, so I'm hoping you can share the basis for these statements.
 
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I think it is time for Fred to go as well. His style of defense and offense just doesn’t fit the college game. I never did understand why we leave 3 point shooters open but double the post. Let the post guys try to score enough to try and win the game while guarding the 3 line. When you look at the overall talent on this team you two maybe three guys that can play the rest are not Big 10 players. This team for the last month seemed like they lacked energy and just didn’t really want to play, it seemed as if the team sort of check out over the last month,

I am a big fan of Ben McCollum, as you watch his style of play and how he runs the team I think he would be a solid hire.
It doesn't fit in the NBA either.
 

HUSKERFAN66

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How does Nebraska's basketball NIL compare to Iowa State's? Or St. John's? Or Texas Tech's?

I'm anxious to learn all these details.
Me too. I'm waiting for the next excuse why we can't have a decent bb team.

If attendance dips next year it'll more than likely lack of fan support 🙄🫢
 

IM4NUAlways_

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We don't support basketball NIL enough to be able to attract top talent. Didn't BYU just pay a freshman basketball recruit 7 million? Our basketball budget is a couple pairs of shoes and a pack of gum compared to that.
Thats Nebraska's fault then but it's not that bad. The AD needs to decide, do we want to continue to be a nobody and suck year over year or do we want to get in the mix of winning. If it is not the second, then shut down men's BB and put the money towards football.
 

huskerj12

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I feel like there's a GIGANTIC gulf between having enough resources to compete for championships (which we obviously do not care enough to have), and having enough resources to not suck (which we absolutely do have).
 

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The proof is the kind of players we get. We paid Brice and Juwan to stick around this past year but thruthfully where was Gary going to go? Europe? We need enough NIL to pay 5-6 top guys not just 2 guys and a few cast offs with huge holes in their games.
Maybe it wasn’t about the money
 

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it's okay, fellas

Hoiberg promises

 

Harry Caray

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I agree. There’s no excuse. Including NIL

I don't think our basketball program has much of an NIL budget. It seems like we get outbid for every big transfer recruit that visits here. Even the in-state guys like Sallis, Fidler, and Kyle. Or are they willing to take less NIL money to play for more established programs?

Regardless, Fred signed a very mediocre transfer class after a season where he was named National Coach of the year and made the NCAA tournament. So it's hard to imagine being better next year after the disappointing season this year.
 

dinglefritz

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They might both have gangbusters NIL for basketball - I have no idea. You're the one who's stating as a cold hard fact that NU's NIL for basketball is inadequate and not competitive, so I'm hoping you can share the basis for these statements.
Compared to BYU paying 7 million for one incoming freshman? Yeah I would say there's no way in hell we measure up to that. We had some inexplicable losses this past season but I can't blame Fred for Gary going 2 for 8 from the field while throwing up ridiculous prayers trying to draw fouls in the paint. I can't blame Fred for the Homer refs at OSU. IF NU beats OSU in Columbus or Iowa at home, the narrative is different. The question for me is, who we gonna get better than Fred and how much would it cost? Maybe that buyout money would be better spent on players than sacking a guy who I believe is a great fit for Nebraska. We HAVE to get better players IMO and with NIL and our lack of basketball reputation the only way to that is to buy them. No kid in his right mind is going to sign with NU basketball because he's a Nebrasketball or Fred fan.
 

schuele

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Compared to BYU paying 7 million for one incoming freshman? Yeah I would say there's no way in hell we measure up to that. We had some inexplicable losses this past season but I can't blame Fred for Gary going 2 for 8 from the field while throwing up ridiculous prayers trying to draw fouls in the paint. I can't blame Fred for the Homer refs at OSU. IF NU beats OSU in Columbus or Iowa at home, the narrative is different. The question for me is, who we gonna get better than Fred and how much would it cost? Maybe that buyout money would be better spent on players than sacking a guy who I believe is a great fit for Nebraska. We HAVE to get better players IMO and with NIL and our lack of basketball reputation the only way to that is to buy them. No kid in his right mind is going to sign with NU basketball because he's a Nebrasketball or Fred fan.
How many of the three schools I mentioned have $7 million to give to an incoming freshman? Is Nebraska's basketball NIL comparable to theirs? You surely must know.

Maybe that buyout money would be better spent on players than sacking a guy who I believe is a great fit for Nebraska.

Why didn't you just post this platitude in the first place, instead of pretending to know anything about Nebraska's basketball NIL?
 

dinglefritz

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How many of the three schools I mentioned have $7 million to give to an incoming freshman? Is Nebraska's basketball NIL comparable to theirs? You surely must know.



Why didn't you just post this platitude in the first place, instead of pretending to know anything about Nebraska's basketball NIL?hink
the players we got in the portal make it pretty clear that we don't measure up. Fred has put guys in the NBA. He has credaribility. What he obviously doesn't have is a large enough NIL budget to get anybody other than middling transfer role players. You can't tell me that any of those transfers would have been sought out by a B1G team in the top 5 in the league. Watching us play it was obvious that other than Brice, our guards sucked. Meah and Berke should have been spot bench players. You seem certain that our NIL game is more than sufficient to win in the B1G but the guys we got versus some of the guys we missed out on say otherwise. We needed a point guard and a big man both of whom could score and we got neither. Blame Fred if you want but I think that's too easy.

I don't think firing Fred helps the program in the long run. It eats up millions of dollars in donor money that maybe could have gone to buying a whole damned team.
 

schuele

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Blame Fred if you want but I think that's too easy.
And insisting over and over again that it MUST be due to inadequate NIL - that took tremendous effort?

You seem certain that our NIL game is more than sufficient to win in the B1G but the guys we got versus some of the guys we missed out on say otherwise.

I never claimed to know anything about Nebraska's basketball NIL. I've just been asking the people who claim that it's obviously terrible to show me some evidence that this is actually true.
 

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And insisting over and over again that it MUST be due to inadequate NIL - that took tremendous effort?



I never claimed to know anything about Nebraska's basketball NIL. I've just been asking the people who claim that it's obviously terrible to show me some evidence that this is actually true.
Yep
 

huskercabby

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I don't think our basketball program has much of an NIL budget. It seems like we get outbid for every big transfer recruit that visits here. Even the in-state guys like Sallis, Fidler, and Kyle. Or are they willing to take less NIL money to play for more established programs?

Regardless, Fred signed a very mediocre transfer class after a season where he was named National Coach of the year and made the NCAA tournament. So it's hard to imagine being better next year after the disappointing season this year.
Averages for transfers year before Nebraska:
Essegian 3.1
Berke 4.9
Meah 5.4
Griffiths 5.5
Ulis 3.1
Worster 9.9
Morgan 12.9

Worst transfer haul we could have had after making the tournament.

I will be looking closely at averages of new transfers. Doesn’t matter to me what level. You have to have guys who can make shots. Guards are premium in college.
 

regoratsginrom

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Thats Nebraska's fault then but it's not that bad. The AD needs to decide, do we want to continue to be a nobody and suck year over year or do we want to get in the mix of winning. If it is not the second, then shut down men's BB and put the money towards football.
We’d get kicked out of the B1G.