EJ entering draft!

Shaudylo

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Devon Dotson was the starting point guard for Kansas and averaged 12 points, almost 4 rebounds and 3 assists per game.

Quentin Grimes averaged 8 points and was thought to be a top 10 draft pick coming out of high school.

EJ doesn't compare to either with the season that he had in a limited role.
Right now Quentin Grimes isn’t a top 10 pick so what does that have to do with what I said?
 
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NoDef

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This is getting ridiculous. Even the players that are not even good enough to log significant minutes want out the door. Cal is a couple of titles away from having a fringe NBA draft pick or two come back and try to up their stock. I can see a player guaranteed 1-20 leaving, but we have players leave that are not even on the NBA radar.
 

TBCat

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Oddly enough it's probably a better move for EJ than it is for Keldon. Neither will make an NBA roster next year but the level of patience for a 6'11" guy to develop is a lot higher than it is for a 6'5" guard. Just to be clear neither should go and both will probably hurt themselves in the long run but EJ has a better shot than Keldon. Just not a lot of skilled 6'11" guys.
 
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RACdad

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He should get all the feedback he can from whomever he can. That will help him make the best decision. But he has about as much chance making an NBA roster as I do flying a space shuttle, just sayin
 
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Right now Quentin Grimes isn’t a top 10 pick so what does that have to do with what I said?
It means that scouts seen his potential to be a top pick and after having a decent freshmen year he will more than likely be gone next year for sure. Thus getting feedback this year is smart. EJ did nothing to show he is leaving either next year and I cannot foresee Cal telling him that he should gather feedback because Cal could tell him he isn't ready. That to me says EJ went about it on his own and is looking to jump ASAP whether he is ready or not next year.
 

caneintally

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I mean is anyone really all that worried about this? Dude is not a 1st rounder right now and might not be a 2nd rounder .
 

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Only thing I worry about as far as him coming back is what if he shows out in a few workouts and a team in the late first round decides they want him. If that’s the case, good for him, but that would be a huge blow for next season to be sure.

Or..an agent shows him a shiny new sports car. "Just sign here, kid, and it's yours."
 
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I think every player SHOULD at some point, but the real question is WHEN.

Players can only do it once without remaining in the draft. So, the only players who should are the ones who think they are almost guaranteed to be a first rounder after next season. If not, why not save it until the following season? If he blows up big-time during the 2019-2020 season, he won't have to get the evaluation anyway.

That is my only concern with EJ. He does have a lot of potential, but I wonder if he will really improve enough to be a 1st rounder in the 2020 draft. So, again, why not save it until next year?
DING! DING! DING! We have a winner.
 

Shaudylo

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It means that scouts seen his potential to be a top pick and after having a decent freshmen year he will more than likely be gone next year for sure. Thus getting feedback this year is smart. EJ did nothing to show he is leaving either next year and I cannot foresee Cal telling him that he should gather feedback because Cal could tell him he isn't ready. That to me says EJ went about it on his own and is looking to jump ASAP whether he is ready or not next year.
Well I will wait until he says he’s staying before I overreact about the situation.

Sure Scouts were high on Grimes coming into the college . The fact that he was top 10 and no longer in the first round says maybe he was overrated coming out of HS. Either way this isn’t just happening at Kentucky which was my point .
 
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So when a guy gets feedback is his focus on doing that "whatever the NBA wants" or on doing what the team needs to win?

Next March will he be thinking about winning or getting a new car?

BTW, ending OAD won't change a thing. Guys who go ahead and sign with UK will still be doing this.

As for EJ, he has 4 years at UK talent.
 
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Anon1712931820

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Oddly enough it's probably a better move for EJ than it is for Keldon. Neither will make an NBA roster next year but the level of patience for a 6'11" guy to develop is a lot higher than it is for a 6'5" guard. Just to be clear neither should go and both will probably hurt themselves in the long run but EJ has a better shot than Keldon. Just not a lot of skilled 6'11" guys.
Are you serious? Keldon is MKG with a jumper and look at what MKG has been able to do. Keldon has the motor and tools to be a contributor in the league for many years. EJ has not shown a single flash of NBA readiness. He is 6'11 and a bean pole without an outside shot. No way based off of what they have both shown does EJ even come close to Keldon's pro potential.
 

caneintally

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It means that scouts seen his potential to be a top pick and after having a decent freshmen year he will more than likely be gone next year for sure. Thus getting feedback this year is smart. EJ did nothing to show he is leaving either next year and I cannot foresee Cal telling him that he should gather feedback because Cal could tell him he isn't ready. That to me says EJ went about it on his own and is looking to jump ASAP whether he is ready or not next year.
Regardless EJ isn't going to be at UK as a junior so it is smart to do it now . I think Richards should do it too as he ain't playing here as a senior.
 

Cats192

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So when a guy gets feedback is his focus on doing that "whatever the NBA wants" or on doing what the team needs to win?

Next March will he be thinking about winning or getting a new car?

BTW, ending OAD won't change a thing. Guys who go ahead and sign with UK will still be doing this.

As for EJ, he has 4 years at UK talent.

Are the two mutually exclusive? If the NBA tells EJ how to improve as a player, you think he's going go sink the ship?
 

Anon1712931820

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Well I will wait until he says he’s staying before I overreact about the situation.

Sure Scouts were high on Grimes coming into the college . The fact that he was top 10 and no longer in the first round says maybe he was overrated coming out of HS. Either way this isn’t just happening at Kentucky which was my point .
It is only happening "consistently" at Kentucky. Name another single school that has guys consistently jumping early when they aren't ready due to the pressure of being one and done?
 

TigerMoving

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Nervous he will stay in as a late 1st rd/early 2nd rd pick just like Skal. He has tons of potential so it wont shock me
 

Cats192

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Some also said Gabriel and JV would return for sure last season.

I don't recall that at all.

A lot of people said Wenyen would likely go pro after the season to take care of his family as he came from a very poor home.

The JV thing--the situation was a huge cluster. All the secrecy around the injuries, barely playing. I think most people assumed he was going while he could for fear of more injuries bringing down his stock to zero.
 

Anon1712931820

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Regardless EJ isn't going to be at UK as a junior so it is smart to do it now . I think Richards should do it too as he ain't playing here as a senior.
That's my concern. No way do I see EJ getting drafted next year in the lottery unless he blows up, so why not wait until next year? No way do I see Cal recommending he get feedback this year, so that makes you wonder where his thought process is.

PJ last year was the perfect example of getting feedback. He was a fringe lottery/early 20's pick and wanted to see what the scouts said. He knew he would be gone regardless after year 2, so he used his freebie after his freshmen year. I don't even know if EJ would get drafted period if he came out this year.
 

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Look, I have no issues at all with the one and done. When a guy like Wall, Cousins, AD, and Towns come along, they have to go. Those guys are game changers who will make immediate impacts. But when we keep losing guys to the draft who average 4 points per game with glaring weaknesses in their games, that’s when I have an issue with it.

I know it’s highly likely that EJ isn’t getting first round feedback and he’ll likely be back next year, which is great, but the constant uncertainty with the roster year after year is just getting old.
Agreed 100%
 
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I think there’s a possibility a team that doesn’t need him to contribute right away may take a chance at the end of the 1st round. Like the Bucks. He’s got potential. Wish him luck in whatever he decides.
 
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Shaudylo

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It is only happening "consistently" at Kentucky. Name another single school that has guys consistently jumping early when they aren't ready due to the pressure of being one and done?
Well Duke for one . They had 3 guys in the last two years that left after one year that either was drafted in the second round or went undrafted .

I will agree with you that it happens here the most though .
 
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Are you serious? Keldon is MKG with a jumper and look at what MKG has been able to do. Keldon has the motor and tools to be a contributor in the league for many years. EJ has not shown a single flash of NBA readiness. He is 6'11 and a bean pole without an outside shot. No way based off of what they have both shown does EJ even come close to Keldon's pro potential.

Actually MKG was a great finisher at the rim. KJ may have a jumper but he can't finish squat at the rim. But best of luck to him and all the rest.

Money is everything.
 

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I think there’s a possibility a team that doesn’t need him to contribute right away may take a chance at the end of the 1st round. Like the Bucks. He’s got potential. Wish him luck in whatever he decides.

Bucks took Thon Maker with the 10th pick, Montgomery's not that bad at the same point. So yeah, i could see him staying in the draft..
 

Son_Of_Saul

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The silence from EJ has disturbed me. Now it makes sense. I don't think we're out of the woods yet on Richards either.
 
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Aike

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I think every player SHOULD at some point, but the real question is WHEN.

Players can only do it once without remaining in the draft. So, the only players who should are the ones who think they are almost guaranteed to be a first rounder after next season. If not, why not save it until the following season? If he blows up big-time during the 2019-2020 season, he won't have to get the evaluation anyway.

That is my only concern with EJ. He does have a lot of potential, but I wonder if he will really improve enough to be a 1st rounder in the 2020 draft. So, again, why not save it until next year?

Players can do this every year if they want to. It isn’t only once.
 
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Bucks took Thon Maker with the 10th pick, Montgomery's not that bad at the same point. So yeah, i could see him staying in the draft..

Of course as a UK fan, I hope he comes back. But, as an individual who knows how hard life and finances are, If he can go and make money, I’d do the same exact thing.
 
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I think every player SHOULD at some point, but the real question is WHEN.

Players can only do it once without remaining in the draft. So, the only players who should are the ones who think they are almost guaranteed to be a first rounder after next season. If not, why not save it until the following season? If he blows up big-time during the 2019-2020 season, he won't have to get the evaluation anyway.

That is my only concern with EJ. He does have a lot of potential, but I wonder if he will really improve enough to be a 1st rounder in the 2020 draft. So, again, why not save it until next year?

I think that changed didn't it? Seems like I recall they can declare multiple times as long as they don't sign with an agent and remain in the draft.
 

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Are you serious? Keldon is MKG with a jumper and look at what MKG has been able to do. Keldon has the motor and tools to be a contributor in the league for many years. EJ has not shown a single flash of NBA readiness. He is 6'11 and a bean pole without an outside shot. No way based off of what they have both shown does EJ even come close to Keldon's pro potential.
Keldon is most certainly not MKG with a jumper. MKG has to out weigh Keldon by 30 pounds. Just going off appearance it looks much more than that even. MKG is a great defende, Keldon was the worst defender on the team. MKG could rebound and run the offense. Keldon can't really do either. Keldon has a better jumper but he's not particularly great at getting it off. There is a huge difference between the two.

Besides the point was just how super common 6'5" guards with a below average 3 point shot really are. There's about a dozen of them in every draft. There aint' a dozen 6'11" guys with skills. Again neither EJ or Keldon will likely play a minute in the NBA. The question is which has more potential 5 years from and which will the NBA invest more patience in.