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"Team grows through suffering together," S&C Coach Duval said during a podcast.

I guess if that's the case then with all the suffering during the last 4 years, this team ought to be fully grown by now. Laughing
 

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"Team grows through suffering together," S&C Coach Duval said during a podcast.

I guess if that's the case then with all the suffering during the last 4 years, this team ought to be fully grown by now. Laughing
Problem is they brought in a lot of new team members that have missed out on growth.
 

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Same culture.. We we’re spoiled when we went 60-3 for 5 years…
What type of culture did he build at Ohio? I personally think Solich would’ve made us comparable to Iowa.

Now being Iowa right now with a pretty damn good compared to the dumpster fire that we’ve been in for the past decade, but there was a day when we aspired for higher standards than Iowa.
 

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What type of culture did he build at Ohio? I personally think Solich would’ve made us comparable to Iowa.

Now being Iowa right now with a pretty damn good compared to the dumpster fire that we’ve been in for the past decade, but there was a day when we aspired for higher standards than Iowa.
Really! The guy who played for Devaney, assistant running back coach for Osborne and he was the head Coach for Nebraska for 6 seasons and some of you are telling me he didn’t know Nebraska’s culture.LMAO..
 

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Nebraska has won more national titles in the modern era of football than the entire B1G.

we surrounded ourselves with loser programs that have never accomplished anything, and all of a sudden we're surprised we are where we are.

iron sharpens iron. pillow fights make you soft.

the B1G averages less than 1 major sports national title per decade. it's the pillow fight league, and always has been. right now, we fit right in.

WAR DADDY UP lol
 

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Given the mention of Solich and culture above ..

I can’t help but ponder how many conference titles Osborne would have won coaching in the MAC vs Solich.

not sure how many Solich won - had to 5 or 6?
 

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Given the mention of Solich and culture above ..

I can’t help but ponder how many conference titles Osborne would have won coaching in the MAC vs Solich.

not sure how many Solich won - had to 5 or 6?
Which has nothing to do with the subject about Nebraska culture but changing the narrative..👏🏼👏🏼
 

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Which has nothing to do with the subject about Nebraska culture but changing the narrative..👏🏼👏🏼
Sure it does. Does the Neb culture exported to another school translate into conf championships? After all no one was more of an expert in “Nebraska culture” than Solich.
 

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Sure it does. Does the Neb culture exported to another school translate into conf championships? After all no one was more of an expert in “Nebraska culture” than Solich.
No it doesn’t. Just like I doubt Osborne wins a national title at Colorado..
Unless they give him more than 4 downs in a game..
 

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No it doesn’t. Just like I doubt Osborne wins a national title at Colorado..
Unless they give him more than 4 downs in a game..
If Bill McCartney could win a title copying Osborne’s system then I’m confident TO would have won some titles running his own system at CU. I apparently hold TO in higher regard than you
 
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Nebraska has won more national titles in the modern era of football than the entire B1G.

we surrounded ourselves with loser programs that have never accomplished anything, and all of a sudden we're surprised we are where we are.

iron sharpens iron. pillow fights make you soft.

the B1G averages less than 1 major sports national title per decade. it's the pillow fight league, and always has been. right now, we fit right in.

WAR DADDY UP lol
This is so true. This conference, especially for football, is basically a dozen teams that are all the same.

This is a conference that started to let NW win games and win divisions.

We made fun of the Big Ten for years and then we joined it and they basically "energy vampired" NU

Again, just look at the point spreads for conference games. You can have #4 Iowa hosting unranked Indiana and the line will be Iowa -7.5 and the totals will be 41.
 

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This is so true. This conference, especially for football, is basically a dozen teams that are all the same.

This is a conference that started to let NW win games and win divisions.

We made fun of the Big Ten for years and then we joined it and they basically "energy vampired" NU

Again, just look at the point spreads for conference games. You can have #4 Iowa hosting unranked Indiana and the line will be Iowa -7.5 and the totals will be 41.
water finds its level

in our previous conference, if you weren't a national title contender, you may as well pack it in week 1

here, winning 8 games - so long as one awards your team a wooden carving of a fairy tale character or a bucket - is cause for celebration

the B1G has won 2 modern era national titles in football. TWO!!!!
 

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Really! The guy who played for Devaney, assistant running back coach for Osborne and he was the head Coach for Nebraska for 6 seasons and some of you are telling me he didn’t know Nebraska’s culture.LMAO..
Experiencing it and maintaining it is entirely different. Frost experienced the culture when he played under TO - how’s he doing with it?
 

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water finds its level

in our previous conference, if you weren't a national title contender, you may as well pack it in week 1

here, winning 8 games - so long as one awards your team a wooden carving of a fairy tale character or a bucket - is cause for celebration

the B1G has won 2 modern era national titles in football. TWO!!!!
Never have I seen fans so freaking happy for an 8 win season.

We went to the Illinois game a few years back and the bars before the game open up early for the frats that rent them out for a private bar for 2 hours...then it opens to the public. We went in and partied...the game was getting close to starting and not one student was leaving to go to the game. They were all just sticking around to party and honestly, it made sense. Why leave when you pretty much know how the season is going to go.
 

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Given the mention of Solich and culture above ..

I can’t help but ponder how many conference titles Osborne would have won coaching in the MAC vs Solich.

not sure how many Solich won - had to 5 or 6?
Solich never won a MAC title.
 

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Solich never won a MAC title.
that can't be correct ... any half way competent power 5 coach should be able to clean up in the MAC

PJ fleck was there 4 years and won 2 div titles and a conf championship
Solich has to have been there close to 15 years .. no way he was never able to win a conf championship in that conference
 

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No it doesn’t. Just like I doubt Osborne wins a national title at Colorado..
Unless they give him more than 4 downs in a game..
Scarlet, you and I go way back in Husker football.

Two things. In 1976 Osborne said if NU had not beaten Texas Tech in the Bluebonnet Bowl he would have been fired.

In 1978 Osborne went to Colorado and was offered the job and decided to stay at NU.

I believe, without question, if Osborne had coached there 15 years they would have won 2-3 national titles.

I believe had Tom taken the Colorado job, Nebraska's LAST national title would have been in 1971.

He was a great coach, not infallable in terms of player issues, but I would not have relished the Huskers under Solich having to play a Tom Osborne coached Colorado team after Osborne had been there 2-3 years.

There's no comparison between Osborne and Solich. I liked Frank as a player, as a RB coach, but not as a head man.

Being "special" like Saban, Meyer, Osborne is rare. Different personalities, different offenses, different issues with players. But, you just don't want to play one of their teams when the money is on the line.

I'm not taking into account the fact that Saban and Meyer are considered pricks, and Tom is considered a nice guy. You have those 3 guys interchange with each other's teams, and you likely get the same results.
 

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unfortunately for us, we are going to be stuck in this league for the foreseeable future..

Nebraska has to find another edge.

It could be NIL, it could be a different system, different development.. don't know what it will take, but we have to find another way to get back to winning football regularly.
 

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The good thing I found about Duval is he might be actually changing things up a little and focusing more on speed and flexibility that just pure weighlifting power. This has been a huge knock of mine on him as yes we may be strong, be we move like ****. Sounds like he has switched things up after realizing that some of the things he was doing wasn't translating. That's a plus.
 
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unfortunately for us, we are going to be stuck in this league for the foreseeable future..

Nebraska has to find another edge.

It could be NIL, it could be a different system, different development.. don't know what it will take, but we have to find another way to get back to winning football regularly.
NIL I think is a Nebraska advantage BUT I think the only thing that really has been lacking is coaching. Nebraska has got its share of recruiting talent. Not at the Ohio State level of course but usually better than the rest of the West Division foes but we haven't been able to beat teams with presumably less talent, at least on paper. That says coaching to me.
 

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Scarlet, you and I go way back in Husker football.

Two things. In 1976 Osborne said if NU had not beaten Texas Tech in the Bluebonnet Bowl he would have been fired.

In 1978 Osborne went to Colorado and was offered the job and decided to stay at NU.

I believe, without question, if Osborne had coached there 15 years they would have won 2-3 national titles.

I believe had Tom taken the Colorado job, Nebraska's LAST national title would have been in 1971.

He was a great coach, not infallable in terms of player issues, but I would not have relished the Huskers under Solich having to play a Tom Osborne coached Colorado team after Osborne had been there 2-3 years.

There's no comparison between Osborne and Solich. I liked Frank as a player, as a RB coach, but not as a head man.

Being "special" like Saban, Meyer, Osborne is rare. Different personalities, different offenses, different issues with players. But, you just don't want to play one of their teams when the money is on the line.

I'm not taking into account the fact that Saban and Meyer are considered pricks, and Tom is considered a nice guy. You have those 3 guys interchange with each other's teams, and you likely get the same results.
I’m not saying Osborne wouldn’t have been successful in Boulder but saying he would have two or three national titles is questionable and he wouldn’t have had the talent or walk on program in Boulder, but I’d agree if Osborne left for Colorado,1971 still might be our last national title..

Remember McCartney won the title because of a 5th down other wise Colorado wouldn’t have a title and one of the knocks in Boulder was it was harder to recruit black athletes from other parts of the country to Boulder..

Culture wasn’t lost here till Peddy hired Bill Callahan..
 
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I’m not saying Osborne wouldn’t have been successful in Boulder but saying he would have two or three national titles is questionable and he would have bot had the talent or walk on program in Boulder, but I’d agree if Osborne left for Colorado,1971 still might be our last nation title..

Remember McCartney won the title because of a 5th down other wise Colorado wouldn’t have a title and one of the knocks in Boulder was it was harder to recruit black athletes from other parts of the country to Boulder..

Culture wasn’t lost here till Peddy hired Bill Callahan..
I know you are a Solich guy, but NU eroded heavily under him. Lot's of things changed, but Solich started the process. The death of NU football was Black Friday 2001.
 

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I know you are a Solich guy, but NU eroded heavily under him. Lot's of things changed, but Solich started the process. The death of NU football was Black Friday 2001.
Losing one game wasn’t the down fall, If Nebraska played someone else other than Miami in the bowl game this wouldn’t even get brought up when it started..

You can point to the next season when losing to Penn St 40-7 and the next week to Iowa st 36-14 and ending the season with a bowl loss to go 7-7 as the start of the program‘s downward turn…
 
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Losing one game wasn’t the down fall, If Nebraska played someone else other than Miami in the bowl game this wouldn’t even get brought up when it started..

You can point to the next season when losing to Penn St 40-7 and the next week to Iowa st 36-14 and ending the season with a bowl loss to go 7-7 as the start of the program‘s downward turn…
That Penn State game is when we all knew the magic was gone. Before then, almost all of us were still convincing ourselves that Nebraska still had it.
 

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Losing one game wasn’t the down fall, If Nebraska played someone else other than Miami in the bowl game this wouldn’t even get brought up when it started..

You can point to the next season when losing to Penn St 40-7 and the next week to Iowa st 36-14 and ending the season with a bowl loss to go 7-7 as the start of the program‘s downward turn…
No it was that complete *** kicking by the buffs that was the beginning of our demise.
 

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And I look at it like TO *** kicking by Oklahoma..
1975 10-35
1977 7-38

No Difference when your comparing bad loss’s..
It set off what was to come. Got our *** beat twice in a row and his recruiting was already declining. 2002 went poorly, but our soul was crushed in Boulder and add that to Frank didn’t adjust his staff, recruiting, etc it was a perfect storm. Frank should have never been the head guy and Byrne should have been allowed to do his job. Frank was a good assistant, but shouldn’t have been a head man at a major program.
 
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“Bad losses are ok if the coach played here” according to the cleti that vehemently defend their failures.
 

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It set off what was to come. Got our *** beat twice in a row and his recruiting was already declining. 2002 went poorly, but our soul was crushed in Boulder and add that to Frank didn’t adjust his staff, recruiting, etc it was a perfect storm. Frank should have never been the head guy and Byrne should have been allowed to do his job. Frank was a good assistant, but shouldn’t have been a head man at a major program.
Nebraska lost that game because of defense and Solich let Craig Bohl go after that season..

Colorado also won the Big 12 and beat texass who also had a shot for the title after we were beaten in Boulder..

We could Agee to Disagree all day but Osborne deserved to name his successor..Nobody complained when he named FS the head coach because the program wasn’t broken..

It was only after the fact that people now say Byrne should have made the choice..
 

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If you are in the MAC for 15 years and have zero conf. championships then you aren’t a power 5 caliber coach

Solich was the perfect MAC coach - just mediocre enough that no bigger programs would be interested but wins enough to not have to fire
 

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Nebraska lost that game because of defense and Solich let Craig Bohl go after that season..

Colorado also won the Big 12 and beat texass who also had a shot for the title after we were beaten in Boulder..

We could Agee to Disagree all day but Osborne deserved to name his successor..Nobody complained when he named FS the head coach because the program wasn’t broken..

It was only after the fact that people now say Byrne should have made the choice..
I will definitely agree that at the time, it was going to be hard to go outside, but I do remember a lot of people talking about going outside just because a lot of the assistants were starting to age. There was also talk during that time frame that Frank might not be the guy. Hindsight is 20/20 for sure, but that was a failed experiment and Frank was just lucky to basically have something turn key handed to him for 4 years of success. He drove the program into the ground with how he managed things. He just wasn't head coach material at a major program.