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I’m not disputing that.. My point was he knew the culture in Lincoln, unlike Callahan, Pelini and Howdy Doody- Riley..
It’s a legit question - that is what TO essentially did … handed over the keys of a program who had just won 3 NCs in 4 years to a life long running backs coach
Solich was a good coach. He should have left much earlier and cut his teeth at another program, thus proving he had the right stuff to sit in the big chair. Peter principle was at work. It was gonna be hard to go against Tom. We owe him a lot.
You seem to have an extremely difficult time simply ignoring posts that you don’t find engaging
You seem to be good at changing narratives in posts just to get a reaction..
Two way street..
do you realize that you are not obligated to participate in any narrative you find objectionable?
Solich wasn't a great coach but he was better than any of the guys who succeeded him to date at Nebraska.
Boulder is an easier place to recruit than Lincoln. McCartney got CU loaded with talent for a few years. McCartney and T.O. are both religious type guys, so if Mc can get those gangster types to come play for CU, I'm sure Tom could to.
Correct, for me to say Osborne may have won 2 or 3 national titles in Boulder is pure conjecture on my part. It just seemed to me, when T.O. FINALLY GOT IT ALL FIGURED OUT, it looked like NU was never gonna lose again.
It took Osborne, selling out like the OU's/FSU's/M (Fla) of the world to finally get over the hump. Let's be honest, if you don't have a few of those difference makers/problem players you're not gonna beat those that do.
Osborne was always able to "rationalize" a player's shortcomings IF the player was really great. LP, Christian Peter, Abdul, Terrell Farley, etc. etc.
Scarlet, you and I tend to agree on lots of stuff, so this is a minor point.
It had declined some under Solich which was to be expected. Kind of like how Oklahoma declined after Barry Switzer left.
Pelini was almost as good. Never fewer than 9 wins per season. Solich did go 7-7 in 2002.
The program did slip a little under Solich. However, I don't think it would have ever got as bad as it is now.
Pelini was OK purely on the football coaching itself but he was horrible in terms of PR - poor media and fan treatment. That's why I rate him lower than Solich.
I was used to losing to a Florida school before that run.
That's why 94 was such an emotional game.
Nikki, I think it starts with finding a difference-maker as head coach. Of course, way easier said than done.
When you look at Saban at both LSU and Bama, it is clear, he is a cut above. Took over barely .500 teams that had been down and within 2 years was able to transform them into national title contenders.
Same with Urban Meyer. Both at Florida and Ohio State. The thing about Meyer that I always remember is when he were offered the job, the very FIRST person he hired was his Strength and Conditioning Coach from Florida.
No question, he knew at OSU, the talented recruits would come there, he was focused on someone to make them become the best they could be physically.
Osborne chased OU for 7 years before he could beat them. OU was just more talented, and had great coaches. It was a painful run to get to that point, but Tom used OU as the barometer of how "good" you have to be to contend for all the marbles.
Even when we beat OU in 1978 then lost to them in the Orange Bowl, it took NU all the way to the early 90's until they passed OU as a result of OU losing Switzer and then having Gibbs, Blake being levels below Switzer.
When OU hired Stoops, they were ****. The first year they played almost everybody tough and lost a lot of high scoring games. In year 2, they won the National title against a powerful Fla State team.
It CAN be done, but finding that "One guy" who proves to be "the guy" is what all teams except Bama and now Smart are searching for. Even Dabo has lost a step in being able to beat the two big boys.
If, and when the day comes, the Huskers are able to set their sights on Ohio State as their main competitor, NU will be out of the national picture. NU can never match OSU in terms of recruiting prowess. However, even with Frost NU has almost played OSU off their feet twice in four years , so with the "right" coach, that gap could be lessened within a couple years.
Just my opinion.
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I agree with a lot of what you said, and in both of those examples those dudes toe the line on what was considered "cheating". I wish we did a lot more of it and NIL might change that, but Saban acting holier than thou, when there were so many pictures of kids getting cars, money, etc. circulating and him acting like he has no idea. Yeah..... Gotcha Saban. Urban worked a lot of those same angles as well, but that is what elite coaches do. I always laugh that our fans want us to be really good, but also not play the game and have the squeakiest clean coach there is. It just isn't going to happen.
I also had a buddy that worked at the NCAA for a long time and said they would probably never pop Alabama or Ohio St. too hard because there was too much money in it with those teams. Said they might get some slaps on the wrist if they ever had a slight down turn, but the big brands bring way too much to the NCAA in the form of dollars. In this day and age, most of the stud coaches are a certain level of scumbag and that is perfectly fine with me to have at NU.
Scarlet, a silly question here for you and the other guys.
If NU, and I don't even know if it applies right now, BUT do you think those real early morning practices help or hinder in recruiting? Seems to me, a 6 a.m., or "whatever" early time it was, might be enough for kids from a southern state to say screw that?
I'm just wondering. It would be one thing if Scott had been able to PROVE those early morning practices transformed into wins, but thus far, the only thing the players have proven is they can get out of bed early.
Thoughts?
I’m not aware of other programs practice times, but I do know that Ioway practices early in the morning and wouldn’t be surprised if other B1G do as well..
Now I can see it could hinder not being as alert and tougher to get that motor going so early in the morning going 100% in practice…
Anyone know what time SEC teams practice during the week?
UGA's after practice media stuff usually hits the airwaves at 3pm ET or so
I'm sure they practice in the morning, just not sure how early
I absolutely agree leodis.
Just in the last 30 years of so in college football, it is clear the teams that rise and those that rise and stay there operate on a different plan than the run of the mill programs.
Look at Clemson under Danny Ford in the 1981? Orange Bowl. That guy was a total scumbag and he also played under Bear Bryant.
What about Jackie Sherrill of Pitt and A & M as well as Washington St., and Mississippi State. TOTAL scumbage, so bad that even Switzer talked about how sleazy the guy was, and Switzer knew a thing or two about sleaze.
Sherrill also played for Bryant at Alabama. So did Gene Stallings who coached both A & M and Bama.
Ray Perkins? The guy who tore NU a new ******* in the bowl game, played
for Bana under Bryant, and also was the successor to Bryant when he retired.
Dabo Sweeney? Played at Bama. Now had tremendous success although the last couple years they have tailed off.
What I see is those former players of Bear Bryant, who are primarily a bunch of cheating sonofabitches who desperately want to rise to the levels of their famous coach Bryant.
Do you think Frost fits in that category? He's not corrupt, I don't belive, like almost all those Bama guys. But, I think he came in the situation thinking he would be the next Devaney or Osborne and had unrealistic expectations he placed on himself. Almost as if he were above being criticized because he was hired as the chosen one.
Just a thought.
leave it to NU to get the meekest Bryant disciple who fell farthest from the tree
Bama practices at 2:30 and 7:30. Their first practice of fall is 3:30.
I guess a 9:30 a.m. start is very reasonable for a college kid. I'd ask Saban to start 3 hours earlier, but I doubt he would listen. /s
NU now practices 8:45 a.m. to either 10:20 a.m. or as long as 11:10 a.m.
I didn't know that till I pulled it up just now.
So, to answer my OWN question the practice start times would have played 0 part in a player decision.
You notice I didn't include ole Mike. Had he not coached here, none of us would even know who he was. The other's are well known.leave it to NU to get the meekest Bryant disciple who fell farthest from the tree
I don't think having one down season counts as losing a step. Dabo Sweeney is still an elite coach and we would be lucky to have someone at his level coaching for us.
Didn't he pick that up from Oregon under Chip? I seem to remember that from his 1st year. I've heard of other teams doing that but can't remember who at the moment.
I wasn't dogging Dabo. Every team, including Bama and OSU will have a down season. Last year, Clemson beat Iowa State 20-13 in famous Cheeze-It Bowl.
They are currently stuck with DJ as their QB and he has proven less than stellar, although he has all the tools, and may yet put it all together.
But, playing in the Cheeze-It Bowl isn't exactly their typical post season spot which was the College Playoffs.
Now with Venables gone, even last year they seemed to lose a little of their mojo, and suddenly games they used to dominate are tight fits.
They played Georgia to a 10-3 loss last year. No doubt Clemson is dangerous, but Pitt handled them pretty well last year.
Until Dabo is able to solve that issue at QB, they will be very good, but a trip to the playoffs likely will be tough.
Just so you know, I told my son 4-5 years ago that Clemson was just as good,, if not better physically than Bama. And the Clemson-Bama games were as good as it gets.
Going from Deshaun Watson then to Trevor Lawrence and now DJ has proven to be the slight difference that escapes Dabo at the moment. Dabo continues to have great talent, what is mssing is a difference maker at QB.
I follow college football fairly close, but practice times, as witnessed by my not knowing NU's current practice schedule, is not something I pay attention to.
Yes, I think when Frost was at Oregon who became mesmerized by the way the track team warmed up and decided to adopt that format.
Seems like it took a few days for all 900 players, make that 150 players to get the hang of the timing and sequence of the beginning of practice. There were starts, and then mistakes, then restarts of practice until everyone got it down.
Seems like a lot of wasted practice time considering these kids have been warming up for a dozen years or so. When you watch it, a lot kids were, as normally happens, just going through the motions.
Probably all the teams in the AAC Conference since it seemed to work at that level. LOL
I know you're joking with your "lol" comment but I think you're grasping for things to complain about. I'm sure there's a lot of things that take place in practices all across the country that we both know nothing about that are just standard that make little to no sense to us. I still think Frost has forgotten more about coaching than you or I will ever know about coaching - just like the rest of the staff.
When I played, we had 3-a-day practices in fall camp with the middle one more of a walk-thru/installation practice. Those hot August days, we didn't mind the morning practice - the afternoon/evening sucked due to the heat. We didn't have all of the film sessions they have today - definitely not of practice other than a scrimmage. They can't even do 2-a-day practices today.
Sleep has been shown to be one of the greatest legal performance enhancing activities available for high performance training. Your an idiot if you are needlessly infringing on this recovery
So how much sleep are they getting? Does it make a difference between when they go to sleep and when they get up (go to sleep early & get up early vs go to sleep late & get up late)?