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eyesofhawk

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CC > Paige

Deal with it UConn fan. Read better. 0-1
I didn't say either player was better.

But I tend to agree with the polled GM's, that chose Paige as the player they'd pick to start a franchise with. Just a much more efficient and sustainable game. And that’s not even to mention the huge gap, defensively.

Paige was always better. She was the face of women's college hoops before she got hurt. CC ran with that opportunity and did great things, no doubt. Credit to her. But Paige didn't go anywhere.

And I'm a Hawkeye fan, btw
 

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Runouts should never be available in professional basketball. And guess what, they aren't.

Don't even see them in the men's college game.

There are a couple reasons CC was able to find those opportunities at Iowa, that essentially amount to bad defense.

Runouts are not something that should be viewed as a viable strategy
‘Never’
Using an absolute. Always a good strategy.
Runouts should never be available in professional basketball. And guess what, they aren't.

Don't even see them in the men's college game.

There are a couple reasons CC was able to find those opportunities at Iowa, that essentially amount to bad defense.

Runouts are not something that should be viewed as a viable strategy
‘Never’
Had to go all the way back to the start of the most recent game to find one.



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eyesofhawk

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That's why I said, "should never". Read better.

Because other than a very rare pinball transition opportunity off of a turnover, those runouts should never happen.

Show me a runout basket, and I'll show you terrible defense
 

eyesofhawk

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‘Never’
Using an absolute. Always a good strategy.

‘Never’
Had to go all the way back to the start of the most recent game to find one.



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That's why I said, "should never". Read better.

Because other than a very rare pinball transition opportunity off of a turnover, those runouts should never happen.

Show me a runout basket, and I'll show you terrible defense
 
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I didn't say either player was better.

But I tend to agree with the polled GM's, that chose Paige as the player they'd pick to start a franchise with. Just a much more efficient and sustainable game. And that’s not even to mention the huge gap, defensively.
Sounds to me like you're saying that Paige is better............that's too bad.

Paige was always better.
"I didn't say either player was better."

Read better........CC > Paige. Deal with it. You'll find a way. 🙂

She was the face of women's college hoops before she got hurt.
And the American public realized their mistake and quickly pivoted to the correct choice..........
CC ran with that opportunity and did great things, no doubt. Credit to her. But Paige didn't go anywhere.
Sure she did. And Paige didn't do anything again until after CC graduated.


And I'm a Hawkeye fan, btw
It doesn't matter how many times you say this after I troll you by saying you're not an Iowa fan. No one will buy that you're an Iowa fan. Again, I'm sure you'll come to terms with that someday and drop the act. 😃

0-2. Run the ball.
 

eyesofhawk

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Sounds to me like you're saying that Paige is better............that's too bad.


"I didn't say either player was better."

Read better........CC > Paige. Deal with it. You'll find a way. 🙂


And the American public realized their mistake and quickly pivoted to the correct choice..........

Sure she did. And Paige didn't do anything again until after CC graduated.



It doesn't matter how many times you say this after I troll you by saying you're not an Iowa fan. No one will buy that you're an Iowa fan. Again, I'm sure you'll come to terms with that someday and drop the act. 😃

0-2. Run the ball.
No, I still haven't said Paige is better. Read better.

It sounds to me as if the GM's might disagree with the American public. And the American public is not paid to make expert basketball decisions.

Paige didn't do anything until after CC graduated? Like what? Win a championship? Neither did CC.

No one will buy that I'm an Iowa fan? 🤣🤣🤣. That's why they usually refer to me as a homer, right? I'm not sure where I've said anything here that would have to do with being an Iowa fan or not. You and I might not get along very well in person, tough guy. I don't appreciate being called things that I'm not. Nor do I appreciate being told that I'm acting.

Yes, run the ball. You got something right
 

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No I know what the joke is about it's just not funny coming from you
 

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Time will tell who is better in the WNBA but who had better stats in college isn’t a viable arguement.

Clark needs to play better defense, period.

Shooting comes and goes, defense doesn’t.

Millions are Clark fans. Few are WNBA fans or care about any team. If Clark starts to regress the league is going to have a serious revenue problem quickly.
 
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That's why I said, "should never". Read better.

Because other than a very rare pinball transition opportunity off of a turnover, those runouts should never happen.

Show me a runout basket, and I'll show you terrible defense
I have been practicing my reading since it seems to be your go to comment when you are blathering.
So I have learned that if I continued reading I got the rest of your comment

‘And guess what, they aren't.’
You must have missed that part, guessing it was on purpose.

Your direction has served me well.
No, I still haven't said Paige is better. Read better.

It sounds to me as if the GM's might disagree with the American public. And the American public is not paid to make expert basketball decisions.

Paige didn't do anything until after CC graduated? Like what? Win a championship? Neither did CC.

No one will buy that I'm an Iowa fan? 🤣🤣🤣. That's why they usually refer to me as a homer, right? I'm not sure where I've said anything here that would have to do with being an Iowa fan or not. You and I might not get along very well in person, tough guy. I don't appreciate being called things that I'm not. Nor do I appreciate being told that I'm acting.

Yes, run the ball. You got something right
‘Paige was always better.’

I am still working on my reading better. Can you translate the above statement to help me along in my development.
 

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So she was fired after they lost in the playoffs and not 8 games into the system?

Thank you for proving my point.
My point is that job security in pro sports is virtually nonexistent. Deep playoff runs don’t necessarily buy you much grace.
 

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White’s fourth quarter personnel decisions were almost as mystifying as the first quarter. When asked about pulling three starters just 3 1/2 minutes into the game, she pointed out that Boston is still on a minutes restriction due to her leg injury.

Okay, fair enough. So why then was Boston still hobbling around on a gimpy leg with 6 minutes left in a 20-point blowout? Boston is supposedly on a minutes restriction and yet Kelsey was the only player to get more minutes than her.
 

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My point is that job security in pro sports is virtually nonexistent. Deep playoff runs don’t necessarily buy you much grace.

In season firings are also virtually nonexistent in basketball and there's very little precedent for it happening to a coach who overachieved the year prior.

Unless things go off the rails and the Fever are on the verge of missing the playoffs I don't think there's going to be a change.
 
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You got something right
I did. I'm getting you to slip more and more in your posts to reveal to others that you're actually a troll account and not just a really dumb senior citizen that needs his computer access restricted at the nursing home.

People don't understand the subtleties of trolling, like you and I do.

P.S. CC > Paige. Even WNBA GMs agree. You were lied to.
 
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I have been practicing my reading since it seems to be your go to comment when you are blathering.
So I have learned that if I continued reading I got the rest of your comment

‘And guess what, they aren't.’
You must have missed that part, guessing it was on purpose.

Your direction has served me well.

‘Paige was always better.’

I am still working on my reading better. Can you translate the above statement to help me along in my development.
He's a troll account, cid. He's looping his posts making circular arguments just to annoy people. He's not an actual Iowa fan, either. He just wants to troll us.
 
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In season firings are also virtually nonexistent in basketball and there's very little precedent for it happening to a coach who overachieved the year prior.

Unless things go off the rails and the Fever are on the verge of missing the playoffs I don't think there's going to be a change.
Not to butt in, but I would agree that in-season firings typically don't happen in the WNBA. Of course they're also just not a seriously-run league to begin with, so you wouldn't expect that to happen.

It's an entirely different matter in the NBA.

I certainly could be wrong, but at least one to two coaches a year are fired in the middle of a season in the NBA for one reason or another, not that it speaks any more positively to the men's professional league, as they have their own problems........
 
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Oliver Stone thinks you are too “Oliver Stone”.
Yeah well ya know what, he should pay me not to be, then........

Clark is shooting like crap, can’t play defense, and has a dump truck of turnovers.

she needs to be better. Poor play and bad visuals isn’t going to take her anywhere good.
That's a weird bunch of stuff to edit in afterwards.........
 

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Not to butt in, but I would agree that in-season firings typically don't happen in the WNBA. Of course they're also just not a seriously-run league to begin with, so you wouldn't expect that to happen.

It's an entirely different matter in the NBA.

I certainly could be wrong, but at least one to two coaches a year are fired in the middle of a season in the NBA for one reason or another, not that it speaks any more positively to the men's professional league, as they have their own problems........
It’s also worth noting that what typically happens or doesn’t happen in the WNBA is irrelevant to the Fever right now because they are not a typical WNBA franchise right now. For nearly 25 years they were little more than a tax write-off for Herb Simon. Now all of a sudden they are an economic juggernaut. They are in uncharted territory and the protocols have changed.
 

eyesofhawk

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I have been practicing my reading since it seems to be your go to comment when you are blathering.
So I have learned that if I continued reading I got the rest of your comment

‘And guess what, they aren't.’
You must have missed that part, guessing it was on purpose.

Your direction has served me well.

‘Paige was always better.’

I am still working on my reading better. Can you translate the above statement to help me along in my development.
Did I say, "and guess what, they aren't, EVER"? No, I didn't.

Runouts should never be available in professional basketball. And guess what, they aren't happening enough to be a thing that's being discussed.

Bad defense isn't something that should be expected. There is no reason to be talking about runouts. I stand by what I've said
 

eyesofhawk

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I have been practicing my reading since it seems to be your go to comment when you are blathering.
So I have learned that if I continued reading I got the rest of your comment

‘And guess what, they aren't.’
You must have missed that part, guessing it was on purpose.

Your direction has served me well.

‘Paige was always better.’

I am still working on my reading better. Can you translate the above statement to help me along in my development.

I volunteer to help. The sentence "Paige was always better" means "I never said Paige was better." I hope this clears it up.
Pablow, your 2nd quote does not exist in this thread.

It's the difference between "was" and "is".

Before Paige's injury, she was very widely regarded as the better player. Had always been the higher ranked prospect. And was the face of the college game.

I don't think it's as clear cut, at this point in their careers. I can certainly see how people might prefer CC. If I had a gun to my head, I'd say PB is better. But that isn't something I've said in this thread until now
 

eyesofhawk

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I did. I'm getting you to slip more and more in your posts to reveal to others that you're actually a troll account and not just a really dumb senior citizen that needs his computer access restricted at the nursing home.

People don't understand the subtleties of trolling, like you and I do.

P.S. CC > Paige. Even WNBA GMs agree. You were lied to.
The only thing that might be slipping is your sanity.

You think you're clever. Then when all the crap you insinuate gets easily rebutted, you call someone a troll. Smh.

Maybe all the ******** on here that talk **** about the Hawkeyes are trolls. Have you ever thought of that? To me, that's exactly what they are. They are trolling the Hawkeyes. Zero credibility.

Whether GM's think CC is "better" than PB; I guess I don't know for sure. But AI does confirm that 33% of GM's would choose to start their franchise with PB. While CC and Wilson both got 20% of the vote
 

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It wasn't that he didn't know how to coach Magic, it's that Magic only wanted to play a certain way, even if the other way had already produced a title.
The other way didn’t produce a title…he was still using the previous coach’s style. He didn’t implement his system until throughout the second year which led to a first round elimination of the playoffs. By game 11 of year three, Magic had had enough.
 

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Pablow, your 2nd quote does not exist in this thread.

It's the difference between "was" and "is".

Before Paige's injury, she was very widely regarded as the better player. Had always been the higher ranked prospect. And was the face of the college game.

I don't think it's as clear cut, at this point in their careers. I can certainly see how people might prefer CC. If I had a gun to my head, I'd say PB is better. But that isn't something I've said in this thread until now
I typically don’t block people….. because you still have to see all the responses to their idiocy …..

Every thread you post in you ruin by dragging it into a stupid pissing match…… I’ve visited these boards for about 25 years and you’re a top 5 pain in the ***…… I’m sorry if your mommy didn’t give you enough attention so you have to act out and get attention here but once more would you please….. for the love of God…… STFU
 

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Speaking of Sides, the Fever traded in the Edsel for a Pacer.
I think Sides was better than people gave her credit for. She was learning, but she took a major leap in the second half of the season. Not to mention she was willing to learn and change…White is not- she thinks her way is the only way regardless of the players she has and that does not lead to consistent success.
 

eyesofhawk

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He's a troll account, cid. He's looping his posts making circular arguments just to annoy people. He's not an actual Iowa fan, either. He just wants to troll us.
I get that some of my posts aren't necessarily in line with what's been echoing inside the walls of the ladies room.

But I've explained, in depth, and on more than one occasion, where some of my difference in perspective comes from, and what some of my intentions for posting are.

The overall intent, is to try to give the Hawks their best chance of winning. Rather than take the time to again explain all that, here's one of the short versions...

I hate many sports fans (behavior). It's a sentiment that's well understood, around the world. Sports fans are completely out of line with some of even their base behaviors. Their thoughts are completely irrational. And many of them simply are not well intended. They aren't sports fans at all, as the role of the fan is to support. Many of them follow sports as "haters", rather than fans. Their intent is to tear people down, and root for failure. Whether it comes from jealousy, or insecurity, or problems with authority figures or team settings, it's simply troll behavior.

There are also many more ways that fans behave poorly that it seems everyone but the people on this board are aware of.

And I've told you that I don't appreciate being called something that I'm not. I'm not going to ask you again. So get a life, unless you want to also be called things that you are not
 

eyesofhawk

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I typically don’t block people….. because you still have to see all the responses to their idiocy …..

Every thread you post in you ruin by dragging it into a stupid pissing match…… I’ve visited these boards for about 25 years and you’re a top 5 pain in the ***…… I’m sorry if your mommy didn’t give you enough attention so you have to act out and get attention here but once more would you please….. for the love of God…… STFU
Not sure what I've said to upset you.

People think they are clever. They try to nitpick semantics, but really, can't read.

I'm not going to sit here and allow people to mischaracterize me. They don't have to agree with me. But I don't appreciate being mischaracterized. So, I end up having to correct these people over and over.

Maybe these people should get a life
 
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Oliver Stone thinks you are too “Oliver Stone”.

Clark is shooting like crap, can’t play defense, and has a dump truck of turnovers.

she needs to be better. Poor play and bad visuals isn’t going to take her anywhere good.
She probably has fewer turnovers per number of times she handles the ball than any other player in the league. If anybody else handled the ball as much as she does and gets defended like her, they would average 10+ turnovers per game. She didn’t handle the ball much last game and only had one turnover, but how did that work out for the team. And calling out her defense on a team with no good defensive players is a little silly. She is not shooting well, but she’s not shooting enough to get in a groove. Shooters have to shoot.
 

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Before Paige's injury, she was very widely regarded as the better player. Had always been the higher ranked prospect.
Clark had more points, more assists, more rebounds, and more blocks than Bueckers when they were freshmen. Bueckers had more steals and fewer turnovers. Hell, Clark led the nation in scoring and was second in the nation in assists. And even though Bueckers has always been lauded for her "efficiency," Clark had more points per shot attempt.

But PB played for UConn and CC played for Iowa. ESPN has long been the unofficial marketing department of UConn women's basketball. If PB had stayed home and played for the Gophers and CC had gone to UConn, you can bet ESPN would have been hyping CC more from the beginning.
And was the face of the college game.
Did women's college basketball even have a "face" at that time? Keep in mind that when they were freshmen, PB and CC played in empty arenas due to COVID. The most compelling story I recall from that season was when they held the entire NCAA Tournament in San Antonio and one of Oregon's players complained on social media that the women's accommodations were inferior to the men's.