Askew leaving UK

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I haven't posted in a few weeks because of the loss of my dog, my boy, Vin. I just haven't felt myself and definitely didn't want any confrontation that this board can bring sometimes while grieving. But reading this kind of brought me back out of my shell. It pisses me off! I supported this kid all year when most didn't and I did that because he talked about how proud he was to wear the blue and white and that he was going to stick with it through the process. What a F-ing joke! Look at a guy like Quickly just the year before. I'm not saying there is any comparison between the two, but he didn't do all that much as a Freshman, but stayed the course and came back in a crowded backcourt and became the SEC POY. Good things can happen if you just put in the work and give it a chance.

I guess I'm officially getting old, but these kids today are all about instant gratification. It's starting to feel like participation trophies, cellphones, and social media is producing a very weak generation. Wow, I felt old saying that, but it is clearly true. When I played you rubbed dirt on it, taped up whatever popped and played no matter what until they had to carry you off the field. You stayed the course and paid your dues no matter how good you were. It seems like things are only going to get worse. Gone are the glory days of college BB, man they were amazing though.

West coast kids are soft and belong out there. Don't get me wrong Askew played hard and hustled, but the first sign of adversity and he backtracks everything he said and bolts. I know a lot on this board are pissed at Cal and I do think there are things that need to be fixed, but this kid got the PT and it still didn't work. I think the reclass experiment is over. This transfer crap isn't just UK, hell Ole Roy just retired because of it. I did like his goodbye speech where he talked about these kids just quitting and stop calling it anything else.

The transfer is the way of the future. Watching the FF it was like look UCLA Juzang (UK), HOU Grimes (KU), Zags Nembard (FL), and Baylor Mitchell (AUB). It's time to embrace the free-agent market of the transfer.
 

TortElvisII

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We've lost 5/6th of our freshmen from a team that went 9-16.

Think about that and tell me things have changed.

Remember when some of you said we would need a horrific season to experience player retention?

Well, we just had that season. How's the "retention theory" working out?
Don't worry you wanted four-year guys and now you've got them. I heard that crap all year. Every one of the morons that posted that to us needs to admit that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I knew it was laughable then and it's laughable now. Retaining one true freshman.
 

UK-Chulo

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I agree that some posters are overboard with their distaste for Cal. I also agree that some posters don't think Cal has ever done anything wrong while at UK whether it's in-game coaching, personnel decisions, player rotations, etc. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

I respect that Askew seemed to try/work very hard this past year. He seems like a good kid and I hope he goes on to do well (I won't go so far as 'once a Wildcat, always a Wildcat', though). Cal counted on him to grow up quickly this past year and it just didn't happen. Part of that is on Cal - he expected too much too soon from Askew. Perhaps because he had no other options, he continued to play Askew significant minutes until it became painfully obvious that he just wasn't up to the task (yet, perhaps). I'm willing to cut Cal some slack with Askew's handling except I thought he stayed with him too long rather than finding another option.

If DA truly feels like his PT will be cut this upcoming year then I don't blame him for moving on. Again, good luck to him. But, Cal has to take some responsibility and heat for having to rely on DA as much as he did this past year. Any reasonable person can see that he did a piss-poor job in building this team and his reliance on DA was only one of the shortcomings due to poor design of the roster that was completely obvious after only a few games. Once again, we had a dearth of backcourt quickness, a lack of 3-point shooting, poor basketball IQ, too many players who were similarly sized, athletically gifted and athletically lacking. That's on Call 100%. If his first choice (or first two choices) for OAD PG didn't come on board, he should've had a 3rd and 4th choice. It felt all along that Cal/UK 'settled' on Askew, regardless of what his HS ranking was. Did Cal accurately evaluate DA and put him in a position to succeed? I don't see how any Cal apologist could come to that conclusion.

With Mintz' decision still up in the air and several transfers committed elsewhere, what is Cal's strategy for not repeating the same roster design mistakes he obviously made this year? If Mintz decides to leave and one of the remaining top targets don't come on board, are we in a similar situation as this year's team? It just seems like the most recent years, the roster has felt like it's a haphazard, last-minute concoction rather than the culmination of a very structured plan. And, for the money Cal is making, there is no excuse for UKBB to ever seem haphazard.
We still don’t know if Cal told him he wasn’t working.
 

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College basketball is a free market now, and therefore there is little need for players to stay at a school for 3 to 4 years

We will have our oldest back court next year and not a single one of them will have played more than 2 years at UK

We will get a transfer PG and Hickman will be the back up, so there would have been no time for Askew,
This transfer makes complete sense

Win win for UK and Askew
They will still need time to gel
 
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G-PIP

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Soooo this means Mintz and someone else is coming in?!
I sure hope so. Presently only 2 guards on the expected roster: (1) Hickman - who I think is a great PG recruit, but I also believe whole-heartedly that it's in his best interest and UK's if he is the backup and sophomore starting PG in training; and (2) Grady - a very good 2G that I'm very happy with. But, UK needs a minimum of 2 more guards, and I think really needs 3 or even 4 more guards in total. I think Askew would have been a nice bench piece next year at both guard spots.
 

ScrewDuke1

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So, is losing nearly everyone off a 9-16 team a good thing or bad thing?
Hopefully it means Cal is making actual changes to how he coaches the team. Obviously we wont really know til we see the team play though.

If this was pretty much any other school though most of these kids wouldve stayed.
 

kyjeff1

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I haven't posted in a few weeks because of the loss of my dog, my boy, Vin. I just haven't felt myself and definitely didn't want any confrontation that this board can bring sometimes while grieving. But reading this kind of brought me back out of my shell. It pisses me off! I supported this kid all year when most didn't and I did that because he talked about how proud he was to wear the blue and white and that he was going to stick with it through the process. What a F-ing joke! Look at a guy like Quickly just the year before. I'm not saying there is any comparison between the two, but he didn't do all that much as a Freshman, but stayed the course and came back in a crowded backcourt and became the SEC POY. Good things can happen if you just put in the work and give it a chance.

I guess I'm officially getting old, but these kids today are all about instant gratification. It's starting to feel like participation trophies, cellphones, and social media is producing a very weak generation. Wow, I felt old saying that, but it is clearly true. When I played you rubbed dirt on it, taped up whatever popped and played no matter what until they had to carry you off the field. You stayed the course and paid your dues no matter how good you were. It seems like things are only going to get worse. Gone are the glory days of college BB, man they were amazing though.

West coast kids are soft and belong out there. Don't get me wrong Askew played hard and hustled, but the first sign of adversity and he backtracks everything he said and bolts. I know a lot on this board are pissed at Cal and I do think there are things that need to be fixed, but this kid got the PT and it still didn't work. I think the reclass experiment is over. This transfer crap isn't just UK, hell Ole Roy just retired because of it. I did like his goodbye speech where he talked about these kids just quitting and stop calling it anything else.

The transfer is the way of the future. Watching the FF it was like look UCLA Juzang (UK), HOU Grimes (KU), Zags Nembard (FL), and Baylor Mitchell (AUB). It's time to embrace the free-agent market of the transfer.
I know what you're going through, I had to put my red siberian husky down on her 17th birthday back in 2008, it took years for me to get over that. I definitely wasn't myself for a long time.
I agree with the rest of your post too.
 
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tls

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I'm just telling you that's what he is..

Askew can either sit on the bench and MAYBE be a starter as a Junior (but knock knock, who's there, Skyy Clarke), or he can freely transfer with the new rule and likely be a starter for a mid-major or a program that's desperate for PG play.

And honestly.. if say Sarr were to come back, you might see Toppin change his mind. Or if Brooks comes back for sure, you might see Allen transfer.

You're not going to fill your 9th, 10th and 11th roster spots with 5-star players.. not with the transfer rule the way it is.
Cal only wants to play 7. That’s why guys leave when recruited over. If you’re not in the top 7 you’ll only get in when there’s foul trouble/injury
 
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Blue Bigfoot

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So I guess the same posters that have done nothing but trash the kid, will now use this to trash Cal.

He would have been a decent PG with some development and time. He is what a NORMAL multi-year player looks like. He was multi-year player some of you claim you want.
 

UK-Chulo

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So I guess the same posters that have done nothing but trash the kid, will now use this to trash Cal.

He would have been a decent PG with some development and time. He is what a NORMAL multi-year player looks like. He was multi-year player some of you claim you want.
Disagree on everything here. This is a glimmer of Cal showing that he's putting winning above changing a player's life.

Nothing about Askew says he'll be a decent PG, especially at the level our program deserves. He does not have PG instincts. He is slooooooooow. Has very little lift. His jump shot is from the 40's.

I'd rather Cal roll the dice on a super athlete learning the game over three years like WCS than whatever it was we witnessed this last season at the PG spot.
 

AllBall

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Watch he will transfer to UCLA or Gonzaga.
Askew was a good kid BUT he will never have the attributes an elite program desires. It's extremely difficult to improve explosiveness and lateral quickness. He got away with it in high school due to his size but college at this level is a different animal. He'll probably go somewhere like USC, Cal, Oregon St, or Arizona St.
 

Blue Bigfoot

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Disagree on everything here. This is a glimmer of Cal showing that he's putting winning above changing a player's life.

Nothing about Askew says he'll be a decent PG, especially at the level our program deserves. He does not have PG instincts. He is slooooooooow. Has very little lift. His jump shot is from the 40's.

I'd rather Cal roll the dice on a super athlete learning the game over three years like WCS than whatever it was we witnessed this last season at the PG spot.

That's just it, a super athletic 4 and 5 star isn't staying 3 years. Do you not remember Stein's first couple of years? He was physically weak, passive, and contributed very little. I remember distinctly joking that someone putting testosterone cream into his deodorant stick would do wonders. Of course, Askew was never going to be a burner. But the kid had the frame to put on a lot of muscle, possibly grow, and his speed and shooting could improve some. I'm convinced the game was just moving too quick for him between the ears, and he would have been a quality contributor next year. But I guess we won't know either way now. It just seems to me we have fans that have totally unrealistic expectations where we want one and done level talent willing to stay multiple years.
 
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JC CATS

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good luck . Not talented enough unless surrounded with better talent than what Cal is getting ..maybe he can succeed somewhere else , it isnt here .. but maybe EKU Western, Belmont or Eastern Idaho has some hotshot 6th year 25 year old that shoots 36 % from three .. but he was ALL CONFERENCE !!!! barf .
Right, who wants the Mintzs, Reids, Mayes, of the world
 

tls

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it’s called competition,do you not want the best players on the floor?
Not in a one and done model. I want guys recruited who have potential to be junior/senior stars and I don’t want them recruited over. Add no more than 1 super stud who will stay for just a year.

Like Suggs this year at Gonzaga. It’s a pipe dream that you’re going to take new 5 stars every year and they’re going to be the best players for 1 year
 

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Don't worry you wanted four-year guys and now you've got them. I heard that crap all year. Every one of the morons that posted that to us needs to admit that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I knew it was laughable then and it's laughable now. Retaining one true freshman.
It’s not over yet. Who would be surprised to hear that others are transferring?
 
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Dead Cat Bounce

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Devin Askew came to Kentucky in over his head, but played his *** off to compensate. He has heart and mental toughness. I assume he is transferring with Cal’s blessing, maybe even Cal’s recommendation, because he got recruited over, and if so, I have no problem with that. I wish him success.

College basketball is a hot mess, though.
 

gwjenning

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Devin Askew came to Kentucky in over his head, but played his *** off to compensate. He has heart and mental toughness. I assume he is transferring with Cal’s blessing, maybe even Cal’s recommendation, because he got recruited over, and if so, I have no problem with that. I wish him success.

College basketball is a hot mess, though.
I’d say Cal’s recommendation is right. Cal is sleazy and does push kids out the door. Then turns around and brags how he changes their lives.
Players aren’t treated equally under Cal. I really am sick of the man! He’s not a good person.
 
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Interesting. I thought he might have had a deal with Cal with the amount of minutes he was getting.... Like Cal was trying to prep him for next year.
 

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Not in a one and done model. I want guys recruited who have potential to be junior/senior stars and I don’t want them recruited over. Add no more than 1 super stud who will stay for just a year.

Like Suggs this year at Gonzaga. It’s a pipe dream that you’re going to take new 5 stars every year and they’re going to be the best players for 1 year
How many Suggs are out there. Only one in my opinion.
 

revcort

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Well, I think we can all say with confidence that his one is NOT on Calipari. I'd say everyone here has said Cal gave Askew too much playing time and most blamed him for the stagnant offense. The fanbase ripped this guy all season. Anyway, now that he's transferring, I sure hope we don't blame Cal if he blossoms. I will agree with folks here that he struggled this season but he did improve and he was supposed to still be in high school. So, I was certainly willing to wait and see if he could improve his game in the off-season. I kind of have mixed emotions about his leaving. It is probably a wise decision on his part and may also be best for UK, if we have a high level point guard transfer along with Hickman and hopefully Mintz coming back. If that is the case, his minutes next season would have likely been limited.
 

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We will be crying in two years wishing we had him back. He’s exactly what we needed. A player good enough to help but not enough to go pro early. And this is absolutely Cal’s fault whether you like it or not. Yes he gave Askew every chance to play, that’s not the issue. The issue is the system and culture he created here. Askew wouldn’t be leaving anywhere else after a freshman year like he had.

I absolutely can’t wait for the day Cal is gone.

Edit: just remembered the story of Askew trying to see if UL, and another couple of our rivals, would take him a few weeks back. It’s clear that happened.
 
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Not in a one and done model. I want guys recruited who have potential to be junior/senior stars and I don’t want them recruited over. Add no more than 1 super stud who will stay for just a year.

Like Suggs this year at Gonzaga. It’s a pipe dream that you’re going to take new 5 stars every year and they’re going to be the best players for 1 year
gonzaga was good but lets not compare a team that played in a ****** conference
 
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