Absolutely embarrassing

[RUTGERS95]

In regard to his defense trying to jump a kneel down- if a game is within 1 score, the other team really should expect the other team to try to get the ball. A lot of OL I know are surprised it isn't done more often.

As for why the move at 12 seconds is bush league - you are up 42-3 going into half- your defense just stopped the other team. Unless there was previous bad blood, 99% of coaches just let it run out and take the team to the locker room. Calling a TO for a less than 10% chance to block it or return it for a TD or a lessor chance to run a single play that goes 70 yds for a TD just isn't something coaches do.

It would not be bush league if they had the ball with 12 seconds in the half and went for a TD but their move was a purposeful slap in the face. Yeah- our team sort of deserved it but it should be sitting hard on all of them.

I agree

I don't agree with the move at 12 seconds, think it reeks of a snub and disrespect. Its the same stuff curing the BCS era trying to push up your ranking with blowouts.

The I look at it this way; these kids are paid professionals now and Greg shouldn't put the team in that spot. I'm not happy about it but I can't angry with it under today's model. I do think it demonstrates a lack of respect for Greg and Rutgers and that I'm very displeased and uneasy about.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Well in coaching you are either making a name for yourself or destroying your name and legacy. I will take a no name coach that ilia making a name rather then one who is destroying their legacy

Are we still going with the Candle in the wind?

 

[NotInRHouse]

dillngham and golash are who id like. Golash woukd be easier, more realistic

also like silver field from Memphis. So many young offensive minds

LOL. Sure. They're going to come here over the schools already open- VT, Cult, Florida. That's before your insistence that NIL doesn't matter.

We'd be lucky to get a MAC coach at that rate.

 

[Mikemarc]

LOL. Sure. They're going to come here over the schools already open- VT, Cult, Florida. That's before your insistence that NIL doesn't matter.

We'd be lucky to get a MAC coach at that rate.

You asked me who i wanted. Not who i think is going to come.

all you do is laugh at my posts and my opinions and provide nothing to the discussions. Who would you hire IF Greg leaves?

 

[Samson1975!!!]

We'd be lucky to get a MAC coach at that rate.

Considering Ohio kept pace with far less talent and money, maybe a Mac coach wouldn't be such a downgrade

 

[Mikemarc]

Considering Ohio kept pace with far less talent and money, maybe a Mac coach wouldn't be such a downgrade

Jason candle >>>>>> Greg Schiano. So yes, I’d also take a Mac coach if he wants it

 

[rutgersguy2]

Jason candle >>>>>> Greg Schiano. So yes, I’d also take a Mac coach if he wants it

That's not a flashy name but you don't have to be a flashy name to be good. If I'm a lower status P4 school, he's a decent option. Matt Campbell came from there and he's done a nice job at ISU. Gary Pinkel was also from there and had a similar record to Candle and he was a good coach at Mizzou. So who knows.

Flashy G5 names can fail too (Herman, Napier, Fickell). It's always a crap shoot, take your best educated guess and hope for a little luck. If it doesn't work, try again.

 

[Samson1975!!!]

Rutgers barely got out of that gane with the win. It's not all just about funding and facilities. Coaching matters.

 

[NotInRHouse]

You asked me who i wanted. Not who i think is going to come.

all you do is laugh at my posts and my opinions and provide nothing to the discussions. Who would you hire IF Greg leaves?

Thankfully he isn't leaving. See, that's the difference. I'm not pushing for a result without a solution.

If you want him fired, name names that will come. When I wanted Flood and Ash out I had a ton.

If you didn't pull things out of your you know where I wouldn't have to laugh.

 

[rutgersguy2]

Thankfully he isn't leaving. See, that's the difference. I'm not pushing for a result without a solution.

If you want him fired, name names that will come. When I wanted Flood and Ash out I had a ton.

If you didn't pull things out of your you know where I wouldn't have to laugh.

There are always candidates worthy of an opportunity in any given year.

Not including the flashy names of the year like Golesh, Sumrall, Stein etc.. (although high level P5 coordinators have gone to lower status areas like Herman, Mullen, Ash even lol...etc..)

This year I'd say names like Charles Huff, Sean Lewis, Ty Helton, Jason Eck, Ryan Grubb, GJ Kinne, Bob Chesney, Mike Gundy would be obtainable by lower status schools.

I'm not a fan of all those names but some I think are solid options provided they stay on trend but I don't see it as realistic paying a 23M buyout for those kind of names unless the rails completely fall off.

I will give you hypothetical where I could see the 23M paid if the performance is below average. Say LSU fires Brian Kelly for 50M+ then considering the LSU connection between Zinn/Tate and Kelly I could find that plausible. Northeast is likely a better fit for Kelly too compared to the south. He's coached in uphill situations before and has been able to do solid to very good work. He'll have been paid handsomely so wouldn't require a ton of money to get him and he'd have familiarity with the president and AD.

Even Jimbo Fisher said he wants to coach again, he's not looking for the money but wants to get back in it somewhere. I'd say potentially the same for Kelly if he were to be let go.

 

[NotInRHouse]

There are always candidates worthy of an opportunity in any given year.

Not including the flashy names of the year like Golesh, Sumrall, Stein etc.. (although high level P5 coordinators have gone to lower status areas like Herman, Mullen, Ash even lol...etc..)

This year I'd say names like Charles Huff, Sean Lewis, Ty Helton, Jason Eck, Ryan Grubb, GJ Kinne, Bob Chesney, Mike Gundy would be obtainable by lower status schools.

I'm not a fan of all those names but some I think are solid options provided they stay on trend but I don't see it as realistic paying a 23M buyout for those kind of names unless the rails completely fall off.

I will give you hypothetical where I could see the 23M paid if the performance is below average. Say LSU fires Brian Kelly for 50M+ then considering the LSU connection between Zinn/Tate and Kelly I could find that plausible. Northeast is likely a better fit for Kelly too compared to the south. He's coached in uphill situations before and has been able to do solid to very good work. He'll have been paid handsomely so wouldn't require a ton of money to get him and he'd have familiarity with the president and AD.

Even Jimbo Fisher said he wants to coach again, he's not looking for the money but wants to get back in it somewhere. I'd say potentially the same for Kelly if he were to be let go.

I don't know many of those names, but I do think it would have to be someone with P4 experience, and Kelly would be interesting given the LSU connection. It's one thing if that were to pan out. But it's another, and foolish IMO to just hire someone from the MAC. Someone with a history of winning at this level is a different dicussion.

I do appreciate "naming names" because most GS haters (and I don't put you in that bucket) just want to scream and shout. A college program can't be "single" or just go with an Ash or a Flood as we saw how that panned out.

 

[RUTGERS95]

There are always candidates worthy of an opportunity in any given year.

Not including the flashy names of the year like Golesh, Sumrall, Stein etc.. (although high level P5 coordinators have gone to lower status areas like Herman, Mullen, Ash even lol...etc..)

This year I'd say names like Charles Huff, Sean Lewis, Ty Helton, Jason Eck, Ryan Grubb, GJ Kinne, Bob Chesney, Mike Gundy would be obtainable by lower status schools.

I'm not a fan of all those names but some I think are solid options provided they stay on trend but I don't see it as realistic paying a 23M buyout for those kind of names unless the rails completely fall off.

I will give you hypothetical where I could see the 23M paid if the performance is below average. Say LSU fires Brian Kelly for 50M+ then considering the LSU connection between Zinn/Tate and Kelly I could find that plausible. Northeast is likely a better fit for Kelly too compared to the south. He's coached in uphill situations before and has been able to do solid to very good work. He'll have been paid handsomely so wouldn't require a ton of money to get him and he'd have familiarity with the president and AD.

Even Jimbo Fisher said he wants to coach again, he's not looking for the money but wants to get back in it somewhere. I'd say potentially the same for Kelly if he were to be let go.

I'd take Kelly in a heartbeat

 

[rutgersguy2]

I don't know many of those names, but I do think it would have to be someone with P4 experience, and Kelly would be interesting given the LSU connection. It's one thing if that were to pan out. But it's another, and foolish IMO to just hire someone from the MAC. Someone with a history of winning at this level is a different dicussion.

I do appreciate "naming names" because most GS haters (and I don't put you in that bucket) just want to scream and shout. A college program can't be "single" or just go with an Ash or a Flood as we saw how that panned out.

Fans are biased and/or don't pay attention and generally look at the big hot names of the moment. They all can fail and succeed. It doesn't really matter if they're hot or if you pay them a lot or a little, the wide variety of outcomes is still the same.

If the candidate has a resume worthy of an opportunity, I can live with it. I didn't want Ash but he was a coordinator who came from a championship team. It failed spectacularly but his resume was worthy of a shot. No different than Mullen or Herman or Lanning or Smart ..etc...some will work and some won't but good coaches can come from anywhere.

People look at Cignetti as great now but he wouldn't have had to wait til 63 to get his first P4 job and at the losingest program in the P4 to boot, if decision makers could look beyond their bias of where he's coached and gave him a shot. You have similar under the radar types like Campbell and Elko who have done well along their careers. I posted an article here where Cignetti said, if you give me average resources, I can win.

If you're a school like us, that's what I want to hear. If you need this, that and the other thing, this isn't the place for you. It doesn't mean such a person would win here and it doesn't mean starve the person of resources but there are limitations here and that's the attitude a coach should have coming in. If not then it's not the right fit. Guys who have done without, which happens often at these lower levels, and can still win is a good place to look. No guarantees but a characteristic I think is important.

On the other side of it, Kelly, Riley and Fisher were big hires. They have everything they could ask for a haven't panned out to date. I still like Kelly and Riley. Kelly has won in uphill situations but sometimes it doesn't pan out due to fit or whatever reason.

On some level, it's somewhat random of who will work. It takes a little luck to find that fit. Make your best educated guess and hope for the best. The general opinion is throw money at it and boom problem solved. We've seen how many times that's not the case. If anything, I have the opposite view. Be conservative and don't bet the farm on anyone because you don't really know for sure how things will work out for anyone. If you're wrong well you haven't bet the mortgage on it and you can try again without issue as opposed to being stuck with a lot of wasted money. In addition, you'd have more leverage in negotiating a sensible fair to both parties contract as opposed these crazy one-sided deals given out.

 

[Mikemarc]

Thankfully he isn't leaving. See, that's the difference. I'm not pushing for a result without a solution.

If you want him fired, name names that will come. When I wanted Flood and Ash out I had a ton.

If you didn't pull things out of your you know where I wouldn't have to laugh.

again, I’ve offered 4 names in this thread alone.

you’ve laughed at all of them. All good. Just cause you disagree dorsnt mean I’m not offering up names. And why is it my job to come up with names.. that’s the AD’s job.

 

[Mikemarc]

I'd take Kelly in a heartbeat

im not a fan of hiring a coach that got fired from his former job.

If Kelly can’t do it at lsu will be tough to do it at RU

 

[rutgersguy2]

im not a fan of hiring a coach that got fired from his former job.

If Kelly can’t do it at lsu will be tough to do it at RU

Bielema got fired from Arkansas but came back to the B10 and is doing a nice job at Illinois thus far.

Mora was fired from UCLA and is doing a solid job at UConn.

Odom was fired from Mizzou and had accomplishments at UNLV that they’ve never done before.

Mullen off to a good start there too after being fired from UF

Kiffin from USC and doing well again at Ole Miss after multiple stops along the way.

 

[RUTGERS95]

im not a fan of hiring a coach that got fired from his former job.

If Kelly can’t do it at lsu will be tough to do it at RU

I've zero doubt he'd do well here. He may be a prick and he may rub people the wrong way but his teams are usually pretty good. I'd take his down years vs Gregs' any day of the week

 

[Mikemarc]

Bielema got fired from Arkansas but came back to the B10 and is doing a nice job at Illinois thus far.

Mora was fired from UCLA and is doing a solid job at UConn.

Odom was fired from Mizzou and had accomplishments at UNLV that they’ve never done before.

Mullen off to a good start there too after being fired from UF

Kiffin from USC and doing well again at Ole Miss after multiple stops along the way.

none of those four were hired after they got fired. They were fired as a HC, then in other multiple roles for years, then hired as a HC again. I don’t have a problem with this,

but a person getting fired as a HC only to be a HC the next season - without time away, I always want nothing to do with

 

[rutgersguy2]

none of those four were hired after they got fired. They were fired as a HC, then in other multiple roles for years, then hired as a HC again. I don’t have a problem with this,

but a person getting fired as a HC only to be a HC the next season - without time away, I always want nothing to do with

What does being away have to do with anything.

Also JF most likely is going to be hired if he wants a job, sounds like he does.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

im not a fan of hiring a coach that got fired from his former job.

If Kelly can’t do it at lsu will be tough to do it at RU

Yeah - this is the challenge. In theory, it’s logical to want a change right now because this season is a bust. The biggest problem as I see it is the crossroads we’re in. I’m not sure Greg is ever going to be able to break that 7-8 win hurdle in the BIG which is why so many want to move on.

That makes sense in the long run, but the chance of landing another Ash at Rutgers is considerably higher than chance of landing someone whose going to take us to the playoffs. Eventually that’s a chance we may need to take but I’m not so sure now is the right time for it with all the conference affiliation instability. We cannot afford for the program to be where it was under Ash. One game like that against Oregon sucks. A perennial basement spiral right now could seriously land us in the situation Temple was in when they were asked to leave the Big East. It’s a very big risk for us to take. Despite what Shelby says, Greg isn’t that. We’re coming off 2 bowl seasons. We might suck this year but he’ll mostly deliver mediocre caliber teams in the 5-7 win range. In theory we want more, but it’s possible the risk right now exceeds the reward potential. Hard to say. We can’t go back to routine 78-0 type stories as our primary media feed.

 

[Mikemarc]

What does being away have to do with anything.

Also JF most likely is about to be hired if he wants a job, sounds like he does.

what do you mean? If you fail at a job - sometimes it’s best to be away from that job for a few years - take a lesser role, learn, be out of game, then try again. Most coaches who failed at one place, were fired, and excelled in another - had other stops along the way between the teo

 

[Mikemarc]

Yeah - this is the challenge. In theory, it’s logical to want a change right now because this season is a bust. The biggest problem as I see it is the crossroads we’re in. I’m not sure Greg is ever going to be able to break that 7-8 win hurdle in the BIG which is why so many want to move on.

That makes sense in the long run, but the chance of landing another Ash at Rutgers is considerably higher than chance of landing someone who’s going to take us to the playoffs. Eventually that’s a chance we may need to take but I’m not so sure now is the right time for it with all the conference affiliation instability. We cannot afford for the program to be where it was under Ash. One game like that against Oregon sucks. A perennial basement spiral right now could seriously land us in the situation Temple was in when they were asked to leave the Big East. It’s a very big risk for us to take. Despite what Shelby says, Greg isn’t that. We’re coming off 2 bowl seasons. We might suck this year but he’ll mostly deliver mediocre caliber teams in the 5-7 win range. In theory we want more, but it’s possible the risk right now exceeds the reward potential. Hard to say. We can’t go back to routine 78-0 type stories as our primary media feed.

I’d rather a coach that can get an occasional 11 win season mixed in with 4 or 5 win seasons. As opposed to a coach that’s just gonna win 6 or 7 every year…

Greg 2.0 is the latter. I think an up and coming coach from a smaller program is more likely to be the former

 

[rutgersguy2]

what do you mean? If you fail at a job - sometimes it’s best to be away from that job for a few years - take a lesser role, learn, be out of game, then try again. Most coaches who failed at one place, were fired, and excelled in another - had other stops along the way between the teo

What did Mullen learn at ESPN?

What did Belichick learn ar ESPN?

If JF wanted to come here you wouldn’t take him having just been fired from PSU?

Sometimes coaches want a break and have made their money but it doesn’t mean they would be bad if they had decided to take another job right away.

 

[Mikemarc]

What did Mullen learn at ESPN?

What did Belichick learn ar ESPN?

If JF wanted to come here you wouldn’t take him having just been fired from PSU?

Sometimes coaches want a break and have made their money but it doesn’t mean they would be bad if they had decided to take another job right away.

im not saying they would be bad. Im just saying I’d steer clear. Can you provide a coach who was fired, immediately hired as a HC somewhere else, and succeeded? I can’t think of many.

 

[rutgersguy2]

I’d rather a coach that can get an occasional 11 win season mixed in with 4 or 5 win seasons. As opposed to a coach that’s just gonna win 6 or 7 every year…

Greg 2.0 is the latter. I think an up and coming coach from a smaller program is more likely to be the former

A ranking at the end of the year every so often is a realistic goal. To do that though you need at least 8-9 wins and a conference record above .500 or better.

My metric is conference record because to do anything of note, you have to be doing okay to good there. The large majority of your schedule is in the conference.

 

[rutgersguy2]

im not saying they would be bad. Im just saying I’d steer clear. Can you provide a coach who was fired, immediately hired as a HC somewhere else, and succeeded? I can’t think of many.

I don’t know how many coaches come back right away. Often they do want to take break.

You might find that quick bounce back more at the assistant level.

 

[mdk02]

A ranking at the end of the year every so often is a realistic goal. To do that though you need at least 8-9 wins and a conference record above .500 or better.

My metric is conference record because to do anything of note, you have to be doing okay to good there. The large majority of your schedule is in the conference.

Problem with your metric is the varying conference schedule. Never easy but in the wrong year a murderer's row.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I’d rather a coach that can get an occasional 11 win season mixed in with 4 or 5 win seasons. As opposed to a coach that’s just gonna win 6 or 7 every year…

Greg 2.0 is the latter. I think an up and coming coach from a smaller program is more likely to be the former

Oh I agree - but that’s not the point I was making. For whatever reason, history so far at Rutgers suggests that it’s not so easy to accomplish either of these things in Piscataway. Flood was a different case. He was fired for reasons unrelated to football and we really don’t have any idea what type of success he would’ve had with his own recruits. He was booted before we saw that. Greg - to be clear, is the only coach in Rutgers history (I think) who wasn’t fired - I.e. making Flood the only coach to inherit a respectable situation.

It stinks, but every other coach in Rutgers history landed closer to Ash in success rate than to Schiano or the occasional 11 winner in the BIG type your describing who manages to win a game or two minimum in conference each year and doesn’t get blown out by Buffalos. The problem as I stated it is that history at Rutgers says landing another Ash is the most likely outcome. And right now is the worst time ever for that to happen. It’s a major concern and there isn’t an easy answer to it.

 

[rutgersguy2]

Problem with your metric is the varying conference schedule. Never easy but in the wrong year a murderer's row.

Yea but that becomes a one off and likely evens out over some years.

 

[rutgersguy2]

im not saying they would be bad. Im just saying I’d steer clear. Can you provide a coach who was fired, immediately hired as a HC somewhere else, and succeeded? I can’t think of many.

I forgot the 2 names I just brought up here with regards to JF annd PSU… Andy Reid and Mark Richt.

Both of them were fired and took jobs right away and did good to very good at KC and Miami.

 

[Mikemarc]

I don’t know how many coaches come back right away. Often they do want to take break.

You might find that quick bounce back more at the assistant level.

agree.

Oh I agree - but that’s not the point I was making. For whatever reason, history so far at Rutgers suggests that it’s not so easy to accomplish either of these things in Piscataway. Flood was a different case. He was fired for reasons unrelated to football and we really don’t have any idea what type of success he would’ve had with his own recruits. He was booted before we saw that. Greg - to be clear, is the only coach in Rutgers history (I think) who wasn’t fired - I.e. making Flood the only coach to inherit a respectable situation.

It stinks, but every other coach in Rutgers history landed closer to Ash in success rate than to Schiano or the occasional 11 winner in the BIG type your describing who manages to win a game or two minimum in conference each year and doesn’t get blown out by Buffalos.

Very few coaches in Rutgers history has had the resources Greg has - so it’s very unfair to compare the coaches. The three who have had his resources - him, Flood and Ash - obviously Flood and him are light years away from Ash…and I know it’s a popular opinion here but on the field - I think Floid was the best

It’s not hard to win here. We’ve never had a combination of resources and a great coach. That’s why we haven’t won much. Find that great coach and we’re in business

 

[Mikemarc]

I forgot the 2 names I just brought up here with regards to JF annd PSU… Andy Reid and Mark Richt.

Both of them were fired and took jobs right away and did good to very good at KC and Miami.

two good names, sure,

while possible - I think coaches who are fired and hired right away as another teams HC have far more failure then success

Richt and Reid are great coaches, I don’t think Kelly and or Franklin are great coaches.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Yeah - this is the challenge. In theory, it’s logical to want a change right now because this season is a bust. The biggest problem as I see it is the crossroads we’re in. I’m not sure Greg is ever going to be able to break that 7-8 win hurdle in the BIG which is why so many want to move on.

That makes sense in the long run, but the chance of landing another Ash at Rutgers is considerably higher than chance of landing someone whose going to take us to the playoffs. Eventually that’s a chance we may need to take but I’m not so sure now is the right time for it with all the conference affiliation instability. We cannot afford for the program to be where it was under Ash. One game like that against Oregon sucks. A perennial basement spiral right now could seriously land us in the situation Temple was in when they were asked to leave the Big East. It’s a very big risk for us to take. Despite what Shelby says, Greg isn’t that. We’re coming off 2 bowl seasons. We might suck this year but he’ll mostly deliver mediocre caliber teams in the 5-7 win range. In theory we want more, but it’s possible the risk right now exceeds the reward potential. Hard to say. We can’t go back to routine 78-0 type stories as our primary media feed.

I think the fanbase is so scared of a shea or ash because they are not realizing the investment the school has made now. prior to them, the investment was topical, not deep like it is today. In part, we have Greg to thank for that but I've no doubt, Kelli and Tate will make sure we get someone that will be competent enough to succeed

I don't need to be OSU, would like that but not needed, what we need is next tier consistently just below Oregon, osu, michigan

 

[rutgersguy2]

two good names, sure,

while possible - I think coaches who are fired and hired right away as another teams HC have far more failure then success

Richt and Reid are great coaches, I don’t think Kelly and or Franklin are great coaches.

I actually think they’re similar. All of them had the reputation of doing well but not being able to win the big one. Thats what got 3 of them fired and Kelly isn’t too far away from that potentially.

Of course now Reid has won multiple big ones lol.

 

[RUTGERS95]

agree.


Very few coaches in Rutgers history has had the resources Greg has - so it’s very unfair to compare the coaches. The three who have had his resources - him, Flood and Ash - obviously Flood and him are light years away from Ash…and I know it’s a popular opinion here but on the field - I think Floid was the best

It’s not hard to win here. We’ve never had a combination of resources and a great coach. That’s why we haven’t won much. Find that great coach and we’re in business

bingo, NO coach had the resources Greg has been given

God I'd love for Graber to be here now, he'd clean up!

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

agree.


Very few coaches in Rutgers history has had the resources Greg has - so it’s very unfair to compare the coaches. The three who have had his resources - him, Flood and Ash - obviously Flood and him are light years away from Ash…and I know it’s a popular opinion here but on the field - I think Floid was the best

It’s not hard to win here. We’ve never had a combination of resources and a great coach. That’s why we haven’t won much. Find that great coach and we’re in business

No - you can’t say that about 1.0. He made his own destiny. Anything he got was based on demands he made and how he navigated Rutgers politics which is part of the job.

While he wasn’t this major success, he was vastly more successful here his first time around than anyone else had been previously. Came back time 2 and instantly made us not an embarrassment. This should NOT be good enough. Understand I’m not suggesting it is. What I’m saying is the potential is there for things to get a heck of a lot worse at the worst possible time. That certainly would be true anywhere but at Rutgers the floor is lower than at a lot of other places. Significantly so.

 

[RU#1fan]

Jason candle >>>>>> Greg Schiano. So yes, I’d also take a Mac coach if he wants it

Don’t tell RutgersAl. He says it’s not Coaching..LMAO

 

[Mikemarc]

No - you can’t say that about 1.0. He made his own destiny. Anything he got was based on demands he made and how he navigated Rutgers politics which is part of the job.

While he wasn’t this major success, he was vastly more successful here his first time around than anyone else had been previously. Came back time 2 and instantly made us not an embarrassment. This should NOT be good enough. Understand I’m not suggesting it is. What I’m saying is the potential is there for things to get a heck of a lot worse at the worst possible time. That certainly would be true anywhere but at Rutgers the floor is lower than at a lot of other places. Significantly so.

there’s also potential to get a heck of a lot better. Rutgers fans love to dwell on the negative.

there are lots of coaches that would run to this job. We just need to find the right one. If we think Greg is the right one - with 7 win seasons tops- that’s a losers mindset

 

[RU#1fan]

A ranking at the end of the year every so often is a realistic goal. To do that though you need at least 8-9 wins and a conference record above .500 or better.

My metric is conference record because to do anything of note, you have to be doing okay to good there. The large majority of your schedule is in the conference.

Greg 2.0 has only won the proverbial 6-7 wins per season twice in his 6 seasons here. Would not put him in the reliable Mediocre status. As you say Conference Records are the true measuring stick. At this point being 13-36 in the B1G is a complete failure and with no prospect of improvement it speaks volumes where this program is at.

 

[rutgersguy2]