Absolutely embarrassing

yesrutgers01

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Today’s game all but proved that we are solidly the second worst team in the conference. Not the worst.
Was losing all 59 min and 59 seconds to a team that has lost 15 conference games in a row. We needed a miracle of epic proportions to beat them.

injuries.
coaching.
beating any team with a pulse.

all are major problems a few years in a row now for Rutgers
Behind in score isn’t the same as losing all that time. Purdue had the early gift on the muffed punt. And most of the day, we outplayed them. It just took the entire game to erase that early lead.
the “miracle” was a great defensive play made in a tie game against a team that had very little chance of pulling their own walk off.
If that play was made any other time in the game- you would just consider it a great play by our players that led to a win.
 

PSAL_Hoops

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Behind in score isn’t the same as losing all that time. Purdue had the early gift on the muffed punt. And most of the day, we outplayed them. It just took the entire game to erase that early lead.
the “miracle” was a great defensive play made in a tie game against a team that had very little chance of pulling their own walk off.
If that play was made any other time in the game- you would just consider it a great play by our players that led to a win.

These comments are unbelievable. Look we laid an egg vs Oregon and it sucked. Everyone hated how the second half of the game was handled, but the reality is we weren’t winning the game no matter what and Greg obviously chose to just get through the game by having to run as few more plays as possible to minimize risk of injury in a game that was already over. Again - it sucks. But seeing how Strong was out this week and injuries have killed us for 2 years now it kind of makes sense in hindsight. We’ve been competitive in every other game despite the D. Obviously a disappointing season so far but there’s still time so let’s see what they can do the last few weeks.

3 more real chances to find 2 wins. We probably should prepare for Greg to potentially take a similar approach vs OSU if that game gets out of hand and bowl eligibility still possible.
 

RU Jeep

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We can set higher sights once we have higher levels of support. Talking about higher sights without having the willingness to pony up is meaningless. Once we have $10M in nil support, like so many of our peers, we can talk about higher sights. Are you willing to contribute?
10 mil ?
That’s the bare minimum.
We will need 20+ mil to have any chance to compete at Big 10 level.
 

RU Jeep

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I'd take Kelly in a heartbeat
He just got absolutely smoked after AM made their second half adjustments (a common anti Schiano talking point) , fans fled and AM fans owned their stadium just last night. Absolutely no different result than Oregon RU except LSU/Kelly have way more resources than RU/Greg.

So, do want to pick a different replacement coach now ?
 
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jsol_05

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That's not a flashy name but you don't have to be a flashy name to be good. If I'm a lower status P4 school, he's a decent option. Matt Campbell came from there and he's done a nice job at ISU. Gary Pinkel was also from there and had a similar record to Candle and he was a good coach at Mizzou. So who knows.

Flashy G5 names can fail too (Herman, Napier, Fickell). It's always a crap shoot, take your best educated guess and hope for a little luck. If it doesn't work, try again.
The biggest name that came from Toledo is Nick Saban, was there one year 1990. Crazy thing is he turn down an application from a young coach looking for a job, named Urban Meyer:)
 

LotusAggressor_rivals

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im not a fan of hiring a coach that got fired from his former job.

If Kelly can’t do it at lsu will be tough to do it at RU
It's one thing if the coach got fired for losing. It's a whole other thing if they got fired for not winning National Championships.
 

tru2ru1

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He just got absolutely smoked after AM made their second half adjustments (a common anti Schiano talking point) , fans fled and AM fans owned their stadium just last night. Absolutely no different result than Oregon RU except LSU/Kelly have way more resources than RU/Greg.

So, do want to pick a different replacement coach now ?
Kelly had a NIL fund of $18 million to buy this years team......No RU coach will ever that kind of resources for players
 

DHajekRC1984

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Didn't hear that in 2006.
OOOH . 19 years ago after Ray Rice and Brian Leonard fell into his lap when cuse screwed up and he got them and and he had a serious OC (McNulty) with (not even overlay ) creative play calling with passes to the TE (Clark), Wheel routes (BL), Screens, pitches to Ray, etc.

a couple of freakin years when he couldn't beat WVU or even UCONN for the BE Championship .. but lets keep making him Godlike for that. THIS is why we SUCK as a PROGRAM
 

Scarlet Blind_rivals

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I don't understand why people didn't see this coming. When Ash got fired 6 years ago, they had a NJ.com poll and over 50% wanted an average to below average coach who will always be a bottom half coach in this conference at 14 or 18 teams. As I said 6 years ago, we should have gone after someone better. 👇👇

Post in thread 'NJ.com Poll- Nearly 52% Want Schiano' https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/nj-com-poll-nearly-52-want-schiano.6556927/post-138759007

After 1st 2 yrs 3-20 (0-14)
03-11 Schiano 1.0 65-47 (28-34) Big East
5 non conference games a yr & bowls(5-1) 37-13

After 1st two yrs 8-14 (5-13)
22-25 Schiano 2.0 22-25 (9-24) B1G
3 non conference games a yr & bowls(1-2) 16-2

Career 98-106 (42-85) BE & B1G
33% win% in conferences.

The games he controlled vs lesser opponents 53-15.
 
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RUgal

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Do you see the other schools hiring people this year? And what their fans are offering on NIL, while you defend our fans selling tickets to opposing fans?
At the top schools it’s not fans paying for NIL or coach buyouts, it’s mega-rich boosters. At those schools, fans get to just be fans and don’t have to be responsible for giving all their hard-earned money to players. It’s enough that they buy tickets and jerseys, etc.
 
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ScarletKid2008

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Another thing …

over the last 5 years or so I feel like there’s been a game each year where the casual fans are ready to jump on board and we completely lay a dud. And almost the timing of the duds are as important to program building as the fact that they happen. Especially at home games !!

we have TONS of casual fans and alumni ready to jump on the bandwagon… but we are perpetually stuck in trying to .. just win enough to make a bow game. As if that’s some amazing accomplishment. That’s the part that pissed me off about the mindset at the moment. It feels like losses are accepted because we just have to beat 3 teams worse than us in a 18 team league to make some meaningless bowl game.
 

Knight Shift

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Mario is from the Schiano tree. Is he the only HC from this tree? A grifter, who has underperformed everywhere he has been. But he learned from the master.

I find it hard to believe that Keli bought into Greg is the guy and he just needs more resources to win. Mario has more resources and double the salary of Manny Diaz at Duke, and a worse record.

Manny Diaz is being paid $4M.

I did the math in another thread. Paying Greg off now @ $23M is either less expensive or only slightly more expensive than keeping him if we pay a new HC $4M. Mora, a MAC coach, Paul Chryst, etc.

#Coaching Matterrs




 

Knight Shift

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Greg should have a separate entrance song The Grand Illusion:

But don't be fooled by the radio
The TV or the magazines
Show you photographs of how your life should be
But they're just someone else's fantasy

So if you think your life is complete confusion
'Cause you never win the game
Just remember that it's a grand illusion
And deep inside, we're all the same
All the same...

So if you think your life is complete confusion
'Cause your neighbors got it made
Just remember that it's a grand illusion
And deep inside, we're all the same

America spells competition
Join us in our blind ambition
Get yourself a brand new motor car
 

Knight Shift

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Mario is from the Schiano tree. Is he the only HC from this tree? A grifter, who has underperformed everywhere he has been. But he learned from the master.

I find it hard to believe that Keli bought into Greg is the guy and he just needs more resources to win. Mario has more resources and double the salary of Manny Diaz at Duke, and a worse record.

Manny Diaz is being paid $4M.

I did the math in another thread. Paying Greg off now @ $23M is either less expensive or only slightly more expensive than keeping him if we pay a new HC $4M. Mora, a MAC coach, Paul Chryst, etc.

#Coaching Matterrs





As of December 1, 2025, Rutgers would owe him a buyout of $23,318,750 if terminated without cause.

As of November 2025, the scheduled base salaries for the remaining years are as follows (note that these correspond to the contract periods covering the respective seasons, and the 2030 season salary is capped at the final amount per the extension terms):
YearBase Salary
2026$6,750,000
2027$7,250,000
2028$7,500,000
2029$7,750,000
2030$7,750,000
These figures exclude any potential bonuses or incentives. The total remaining base salary obligation across these years is $37,000,000.


That difference is $14M over 5 years, nominally $3M per year in savings. Hire an up and coming coach for $4M per year, and Rutgers is only paying an additional $1M per year. This does not factor in the lost donations and sales of season tickets as fans lose interest in the same old same old.

#CoachingMatters
 
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bac2therac

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As of December 1, 2025, Rutgers would owe him a buyout of $23,318,750 if terminated without cause.

As of November 2025, the scheduled base salaries for the remaining years are as follows (note that these correspond to the contract periods covering the respective seasons, and the 2030 season salary is capped at the final amount per the extension terms):
YearBase Salary
2026$6,750,000
2027$7,250,000
2028$7,500,000
2029$7,750,000
2030$7,750,000
These figures exclude any potential bonuses or incentives. The total remaining base salary obligation across these years is $37,000,000.


That difference is $14M over 5 years, nominally $3M per year in savings. Hire an up and coming coach for $4M per year, and Rutgers is only paying an additional $1M per year. This does not factor in the lost donations and sales of season tickets as fans lose interest in the same old same old.

#CoachingMatters
Damn Hobbs was our worst AD ever
 
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Knight Shift

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Damn Hobbs was our worst AD ever
Maybe the point went over your head.
Maybe you missed the point that Greg was running his own show, and the big donors and the BOG Head were all in on Greg. You think Pat was going to buck that?
Try focusing on the bigger picture and the future instead of whining about the past.
 

Shelby65

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Maybe the point went over your head.
Maybe you missed the point that Greg was running his own show, and the big donors and the BOG Head were all in on Greg. You think Pat was going to buck that?
Try focusing on the bigger picture and the future instead of whining about the past.
You’re right that Hobbs was a puppet but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t crappy in his own right. Further, what makes you think Zinn won’t also follow the mandate of the power players ? That‘s how you keep a job.
 
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rutgersguy2

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As of December 1, 2025, Rutgers would owe him a buyout of $23,318,750 if terminated without cause.

As of November 2025, the scheduled base salaries for the remaining years are as follows (note that these correspond to the contract periods covering the respective seasons, and the 2030 season salary is capped at the final amount per the extension terms):
YearBase Salary
2026$6,750,000
2027$7,250,000
2028$7,500,000
2029$7,750,000
2030$7,750,000
These figures exclude any potential bonuses or incentives. The total remaining base salary obligation across these years is $37,000,000.


That difference is $14M over 5 years, nominally $3M per year in savings. Hire an up and coming coach for $4M per year, and Rutgers is only paying an additional $1M per year. This does not factor in the lost donations and sales of season tickets as fans lose interest in the same old same old.

#CoachingMatters
Thanks for that break down of the numbers.
 

rutgersguy2

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Maybe the point went over your head.
Maybe you missed the point that Greg was running his own show, and the big donors and the BOG Head were all in on Greg. You think Pat was going to buck that?
Try focusing on the bigger picture and the future instead of whining about the past.
So do you think the politics of any of that has changed?
 
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kupuna133

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Maybe the point went over your head.
Maybe you missed the point that Greg was running his own show, and the big donors and the BOG Head were all in on Greg. You think Pat was going to buck that?
Try focusing on the bigger picture and the future instead of whining about the past.
Saw it mentioned on one of the podcasts. That the year we were without an AD and the year prior Greg’s staff went from roughly 50 full time employees to more than 125.