Kelly is 34-13 at LSU. 19-9 in conf.
Which isn't great by LSU's standards.
Would be amazing by Rutgers standards.
Absolutely embarrassing
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Which isn't great by LSU's standards.
Would be amazing by Rutgers standards.
Of course but not all coaches develop good QBs.
I’m always big on offense so coaches who do develop qbs is a good avenue. Feel that’s the one with the most potential to outperform your status on the CFB landscape.
Mendoza, Pavia, King are in the top 11 in QBR and their teams this year are outperforming their historical status on the landscape.
Altmeyer also up there and Illinois been doing pretty well lately.
Smart made a comment last year about parity and that qb talent spreading around all over is the biggest factor in that.
We’ve never before had another coach come to Rutgers while we’re struggling and trend the program up. Not once. Every coach left the program worse than it started, or if already at ground zero it stayed there. Whatever excuse you want to make for that is fine, but there is still blatant empirical evidence that RU is a tough place to have success. History says the odds of getting another Ash are significantly higher than the odds of getting someone who is significantly more successful than Greg. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try at some point - we absolutely should, but right now is a very bad time to fail miserably. That’s all I’m saying.
I mean - he would’ve been in the Covid year if we played preseason tomato cans. And he inherited a 2 win team. So there’s that.
I think we’re currently failing pretty bad. We’re kinda a laughingstock right now after last week..
I think every AD in big time college athketics is looking for someone significantly more successful than Greg? Besides building the program which he should be applauded for no doubt - what on friend success has Greg really had?
one huge win (part of a huge season, yes). But this was with a roster full of nfl players and we needed a penalty on the other team to secure the win.
I wouldn’t say on the field - Greg has had great success. This isn’t high school, this isn’t pop watner. This is BIG TIME football and 6-6 seasons every year shouldn’t be the goal. And it feels like it is here at Rutgers. And our fanbase is happy with that
Our sights should be set higher.
Wasn't 1.0 Coach of the Year in 2006 with HC offers from Miami and Michigan? 2.0 gets a lot more support for the program than 1.0, but so do all the programs in the B1G. Your warning is spot on.
Good Story in The Athletic,.which is paywalled, but some snippets:
“I think there are some in the larger conferences that will clearly be marginalized, and the money won’t be worth it because they’ll be traditional losers on a regular basis,” Bowlsby told the Associated Press in 2023. “And I think there will be institutions that have been traditional winners that will turn into institutions that are playing in the middle of the pack most of the time, that’s going to be a big adjustment.”
Meanwhile, schools continue to strap themselves to coaches with extra-long contracts worth the equivalent of a small island nation’s GDP. Something has to change: Either the expectations or the contracts.
As far as we can tell, nobody is ready to do either, as illustrated by an X post sent to me this week by a follower that helped inspire this column.
www.nytimes.com
College football fans may need to get used to losing more often. Is anyone ready?
“I think there are some in the larger conferences that will clearly be marginalized, and the money won’t be worth it because they’ll be traditional losers on a regular basis,” Bowlsby told the Associated Press in 2023. “And I think there will be institutions that have been traditional winners that will turn into institutions that are playing in the middle of the pack most of the time, that’s going to be a big adjustment.”
Meanwhile, schools continue to strap themselves to coaches with extra-long contracts worth the equivalent of a small island nation’s GDP. Something has to change: Either the expectations or the contracts.
As far as we can tell, nobody is ready to do either, as illustrated by an X post sent to me this week by a follower that helped inspire this column.
College football fans may need to get used to losing more often. Is anyone ready?
It's getting harder to win big in college football at the same time that patience for perceived underperformance is as thin as ever.
www.nytimes.com
Saw that article, like I’ve said “any given Saturday” has never been more true than now. You can’t go into a game thinking oh for sure it’s going to be a pushover.Good Story in The Athletic,.which is paywalled, but some snippets:
College football fans may need to get used to losing more often. Is anyone ready?
“I think there are some in the larger conferences that will clearly be marginalized, and the money won’t be worth it because they’ll be traditional losers on a regular basis,” Bowlsby told the Associated Press in 2023. “And I think there will be institutions that have been traditional winners that will turn into institutions that are playing in the middle of the pack most of the time, that’s going to be a big adjustment.”
Meanwhile, schools continue to strap themselves to coaches with extra-long contracts worth the equivalent of a small island nation’s GDP. Something has to change: Either the expectations or the contracts.
As far as we can tell, nobody is ready to do either, as illustrated by an X post sent to me this week by a follower that helped inspire this column.
College football fans may need to get used to losing more often. Is anyone ready?
It's getting harder to win big in college football at the same time that patience for perceived underperformance is as thin as ever.
Yes. It’s like this - if one were to realistically consider the entire universe of coaches who might realistically come to Rutgers, the probability set would look something like this:
60% chance we get someone who produces similar results over time - maybe a little better or worse. But there’s also probably a 30% chance we land a bust which will bring us back to Ash territory. That leaves 10% chance of finding that diamond in the rough people like to talk about as if it were a slam dunk that’s what we’d get if we replaced our coach (in any sport).
The problem is the chance of disaster is a lot higher than the chance of drastic improvement. And my numbers are generous. History does not support the notion that there’s a high probability of a team that has never been a top 25 caliber will hire a coach that will change their stars. History does support the probability of a new coach struggling at Rutgers in the way Ash did.
IMHO the only way your odds would improve is if the new AD and President provide administrative support never before seen at Rutgers
We can set higher sights once we have higher levels of support. Talking about higher sights without having the willingness to pony up is meaningless. Once we have $10M in nil support, like so many of our peers, we can talk about higher sights. Are you willing to contribute?
We can set higher sights once we have higher levels of support. Talking about higher sights without having the willingness to pony up is meaningless. Once we have $10M in nil support, like so many of our peers, we can talk about higher sights. Are you willing to contribute?
It will be an automatic improvement. Can’t be any worse than a HC who can only win 25% of his Conference games.
My take on Greg has been that he was the correct guy to bring in to right the ship and bring pride back to rutgers after Ash. and Greg has done that.
I thought he was doing "ok" over the past couple of years and we were going to start seeing that next move forward. I even gave him the benefit of doubt on how hard the schedule was going to be this year.
But the team has gone completely the wrong way, Greg can't get a single upset win and over all these games, he can only beat the teams he should beat and sometimes loses those.
I was not impressed with bringing KC back to run the offense and hated the Smith hire. I loved bringing in an all time great OL coach but now, I am even looking at that and asking if he brought a guy out of retirement because no one else would work for Greg. And that may be his biggest weakness, even more so than poor game management. He just can't get good coaches to work for him. It isn't a Rutgers thing, Rutgers is now paying top $$$ for staff, the football team is supported, we are in the B1G, we are not embarrassing, and we are in a location where some of the best talent in the world plays HS football.
So- Greg can't get a good coach to work for him and has to go back to retreads and retirees. He is not drumming up NIL money. His strength, defense, is crumbling, his gameday coaching and thought process is always to not lose and not to win. And to nitpick- that F-ing faircatch crap has to f-ing stop. That in itself is embarrassing.
Pay him off- and hope our AD was smart enough to have the same language that PSU had with Franklin- that Greg has to make full effort to secure a similar job to offset the buyout.
And pay the money to bring in someone NEW.
And they were all unrealistic.
Because that's what people do when they want change. Develop solutions. Not whine.
We were on the way to the B1G when Flood wasn't canned in 13, then in when Ash was hired, and not fired in 2018, and then fans had to bring in the gov to get GS back. Now, because of one (maybe) bad season, that's not even done, we're going to bring in someone big. I don't rule out something positive with the LSU connection but I'm a skeptic. It seems like from public comments they're looking to keep GS into next year which I think is the right course, but we have effed up hires in the past.
You look at our AD this century. Who are the good hires? GS and Pike? And people want both fired...
I had been ok with giving GS through 2026 to see what he could do with full support, money and easier schedule.
When he gave up on the team, players and fans for the entirety of the 2nd half, I gave up on him. He should have had the team fight with everything they had that 2nd half. And we did nothing but run the ball? That is a coach failing everyone.
Meh I don’t usually agree with Al but this is a knee jerk reaction to one horrible performance. If Purdue blows us out this view builds more steam. If we beat Purdue, the second half embarrassment evaporates from the standpoint your coming from.
The point is, when the dust settles Greg would have to come close to losing out for it to become unreasonable for him to get one more chance to find a solution at DC. The longer he keeps Rob around though, the more tainted this viewpoint gets. Especially if the D continues to stink up the field, which it likely will.
what makes 3 head coaches at group of 5 schools unrealistic to jumping to power 5?
only Rutgers fans think I this is unrealistic. Our loser mentality has to stop.
I don’t usually have knee jerk reactions. And if we list 80-10 last week but Greg had us come out in the 2nd half trying to win, I wouldn’t have the same reaction.
you can’t run the ball 80% of the time in the 2nd half when you have a good QB and 2.5 NFL WR’s.
Do you see the other schools hiring people this year? And what their fans are offering on NIL, while you defend our fans selling tickets to opposing fans?
Today’s game all but proved that we are solidly the second worst team in the conference. Not the worst.
Was losing all 59 min and 59 seconds to a team that has lost 15 conference games in a row. We needed a miracle of epic proportions to beat them.
injuries.
coaching.
beating any team with a pulse.
all are major problems a few years in a row now for Rutgers
Was losing all 59 min and 59 seconds to a team that has lost 15 conference games in a row. We needed a miracle of epic proportions to beat them.
injuries.
coaching.
beating any team with a pulse.
all are major problems a few years in a row now for Rutgers
Um we're now ahead of Cult in the conference. Wisconsin needs to be Oregon today to tie us and MSU needs to beat MIchigan. We're tied with UMD.
So...likely there's 4 teams worse than us...at least...and among the worst, we play 2 at home to finish.
Hate to burst your negative bubble, but there are 4 teams in the B1G that are winless in the conference. Pump the brakes on second worst.
We are not better then PSU, Wisconsin, and or MSU. So yes we r the second worst team
Yup and we’re still the 2nd worst team in the Big Ten and bottom ten team in all of college football!
#Gregisgone