Seventh Woods transferring from UNCheat

[Cats192]

And at a school like Kentucky.. Calipari has to show a bit of favoritism to a guy like Hagans, who was supposed to be a 1AD player. Cal's business model (for better or worse) is to get the top recruits and get them to the NBA. He can't afford to not play a guy like Hagans.. so the lesser recruits are stuck.

In terms of the team getting to the Final4, Hagans was not the best answer for us, imo. He probably should have been restricted starting in February, and more minutes should have been given to Baker and IQ, who could shoot (once they got going).

I'm not sure if this was part promise to Hagans, part to get Hagans going/not hurt his confidence, or maybe both... But either way, it tells a 4-star player "I'm never going to see time".

Really can't wait until 1AD is done with.

I don't think that's the case.

Quade was rated higher than Shai, and Shai got the start over him.

I do think Cal gives the guys he thinks are better than they are playing more leash.

If Skal figures it out and is the special player you thought he was--suddenly you're a dangerous team.

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

It’s alright they still have First through Sixth Woods on their team

 

[ib4ky_rivals111873]

Can't trust them mixtapes.. Ryan Harrow's was one of the best...

:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Hunter McClintock

 

[UK90]

My all "mixtape marvel" team:

Hunter McLintock
Seventh Woods
Ryan Harrow
MIckey Mitchell
Thon Maker

The criteria being players whose youtube mixtapes made us wildly excited ...but with a decidedly disappointing outcome in real life.

What others have I missed?

 

[Jakarii]

Lebron didn’t have a 7th grade mix tape

Matt Pilgrim?
Seriously though LBJ probably.[/QUOTE

 

[Jakarii]

For people back home in the DMV it would be two of my old teammates

Keith Bogans
Dermar Johnson

Nationally it would be
Felipi Lopez
Ronnie Fields
Schea Cotton
Luke “rim rocking” Recker

I’ve played agains most of them at ABCD except Lopez, never got a chance to play against him

My all "mixtape marvel" team:

Hunter McLintock
Seventh Woods
Ryan Harrow
MIckey Mitchell
Thon Maker

The criteria being players whose youtube mixtapes made us wildly excited ...but with decidedly disappointing results in real life.

What others have I missed?

 

[UK90]

For people back home in the DMV it would be two of my old teammates

Keith Bogans
Dermar Johnson

Nationally it would be
Felipi Lopez
Ronnie Fields
Schea Cotton
Luke “rim rocking” Recker

I’ve played agains most of them at ABCD except Lopez, never got a chance to play against him

Wait ...but we didn't yet have youtube mixtapes when those guys played. Although I do get what you're saying with some of those choices (Lopez, Fields, Cotton), they almost certainly would've been mixtape marvels if they'd come a few years later.

But do you really think it's fair to classify Bogans as a disappointment? Dude was an All American and then had very long and successful NBA career. He doesn't deserve to be grouped in with guys like Cotton, Lopez and Fields (and Recker doesn't either, he was damn good until he had that car accident)

 

[GonzoCat90]

Wait ...but we didn't yet have youtube mixtapes when those guys played. Although I do get where you're going with some of those choices (Lopez, Fields, Cotton), they almost certainly would've been mixtape marvels if they'd come a few years later.

But do you really think it's fair to classify Bogans as a disappointment? Dude was an All American and then had very long and successful NBA career. He doesn't deserve to be grouped in with guys like Cotton, Lopez and Fields (Recker doesn't either, he was damn good until he had that car accident)

Yeah, I don't think putting Bogans there is fair.

But for the same reason, Thon Maker shouldn't be on your list either. He's been a rotation piece for two playoff teams and was a first round pick. He's not the next Kevin Garnett, but he's a good player. Compared to the hype and what the mixtape looked like, I guess anything short of that is a let down.

 

[UKCAT5FAN]

Yeah, Mitchell went to Ohio State for one season, and then transferred to Arizona State. I don't know how he did after that. Probably not so well.

But, boy, our fans sure fell for his mixtape hard.

Me included!

 

[UK90]

But for the same reason, Thon Maker shouldn't be on your list either. He's been a rotation piece for two playoff teams and was a first round pick. He's not the next Kevin Garnett, but he's a good player. Compared to the hype and what the mixtape looked like, I guess anything short of that is a let down.

I don't know, I'll concede ithat's a close call. But the vast difference between what Maker became and how he was hyped in his mixtape days (beginning at about 13 years old) qualifies him in my book.

Back then I recall people making it sound like Maker was destined for sure to become a bigger better version of Durant or Garnett. Folks were flipping out over his mixtapes. That he instead ended up as just a marginal backup center qualifies him in my book.

But, yeah, I'll concede he's different than my other choices since he did at least make the NBA.

 

[CoachCalCares]

One of the things most underrated about Coach Cal is that he finds kids who have not already peaked but continue to improve. Coach Williams seems to target some of the guys who are already on their way down (though he might not have had a choice as Coach Cal, Coach K, and Coach Self have been dominating the best recruits).

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

He should name his firstborn son "Eighth Forest".

 

[Wall2Boogie]

Can't trust them mixtapes.. Ryan Harrow's was one of the best...

I don’t even bother wasting my time with mix tapes. They are compiled with amazing shots/ dunks that make a kid look better than he is. Most of the mix tapes the kid is playing against inferior talent. It doesn’t matter if it’s a s 5 star or a 3 star a mix tape will make a kid look like the next Michael Jordan. They are a waste of time

 

[Big John Stud]

He wouldn't be the first star who Roy Williams held back and ruined.

 

[Wall2Boogie]

Matt Pilgrim?
Seriously though LBJ probably.

It makes me sick knowing we had our hopes and dreams riding on a kid from Hampton. To make matters worse the media was building him up as though he Charles Barkley.

 

[UK90]

He wouldn't be the first star who Roy Williams held back and ruined.

Good lord. Roy didn't ruin him. He's just not that good. Yeesh, the lengths folks go here to try to demonize our opponents gets downright silly

You know, Woods was just a 4 star barely in the Top 50 out of high school. His stock began dropping years before UNC, and it had ALREADY become clear he was not gonna be the player he'd been hyped as in middle school well BEFORE he got to UNC.

He's just a kid who was way overhyped by the internet as a child and peaked too soon. That ain't Roy's fault, it's just something that sometimes happens. (and we've certainly had more than our share of once hyped disappointments ourselves ...does that mean Cal "ruined" them?).

 

[JwUKFan11]

My all "mixtape marvel" team:

Hunter McLintock
Seventh Woods
Ryan Harrow
MIckey Mitchell
Thon Maker

The criteria being players whose youtube mixtapes made us wildly excited ...but with a decidedly disappointing outcome in real life.

What others have I missed?

I remember thinking Marquis Teague had a pretty good one. I was also pretty young then so I could be wrong. He didn’t disappoint in college but has in the NBA.

 

[Blueblood410]

And at a school like Kentucky.. Calipari has to show a bit of favoritism to a guy like Hagans, who was supposed to be a 1AD player. Cal's business model (for better or worse) is to get the top recruits and get them to the NBA. He can't afford to not play a guy like Hagans.. so the lesser recruits are stuck.

In terms of the team getting to the Final4, Hagans was not the best answer for us, imo. He probably should have been restricted starting in February, and more minutes should have been given to Baker and IQ, who could shoot (once they got going).

I'm not sure if this was part promise to Hagans, part to get Hagans going/not hurt his confidence, or maybe both... But either way, it tells a 4-star player "I'm never going to see time".

Really can't wait until 1AD is done with.

This is so blindly wrong it's embarrassing. Every time IQ ran the point, the ball movement stopped as IQ has a tendency to want to take the shots himself. He's a PG with a scorer's mentality, and might be better suited to become a spot up shooter at the 2G position.

Some folks are letting Hagans' terrible performance in the Elite Eight cloud their judgment.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

This is so blindly wrong it's embarrassing. Every time IQ ran the point, the ball movement stopped as IQ has a tendency to want to take the shots himself. He's a PG with a scorer's mentality, and might be better suited to become a spot up shooter at the 2G position.

Some folks are letting Hagans' terrible performance in the Elite Eight cloud their judgment.

You're right.. I guess hagans forgetting how to play defense and turning the ball over left and right was better for us. It's not like teams dared him to shoot, right? Yeah that never happened.

It was noted in several games that IQ commanded the offense better and he was a good enough shooter to keep defenses honest.

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

You're right.. I guess hagans forgetting how to play defense and turning the ball over left and right was better for us. It's not like teams dared him to shoot, right? Yeah that never happened.

It was noted in several games that IQ commanded the offense better and he was a good enough shooter to keep defenses honest.

We need the Hagans that played January to February. When was IQ ever good at the point this year?

 

[Big John Stud]

Good lord. Roy didn't ruin him. He's just not that good. Yeesh, the lengths folks go here to try to demonize our opponents gets downright silly

You know, Woods was just a 4 star barely in the Top 50 out of high school. His stock began dropping years before UNC, and it had ALREADY become clear he was not gonna be the player he'd been hyped as in middle school well BEFORE he got to UNC.

He's just a kid who was way overhyped by the internet as a child and peaked too soon. That ain't Roy's fault, it's just something that sometimes happens. (and we've certainly had more than our share of once hyped disappointments ourselves ...does that mean Cal "ruined" them?).

I dont follow UNC that closely and don't know or particularly care what happened to Seventh Woods. I'm just saying Roy Williams has a history of holding back and ruining 5 star recruits. If that's what happened to Woods he wouldn't be the first.

 

[chroix]

Saying IQ commanded the point is a big stretch. He played ok as a backup in a few games late. Kids got room to improve and seems like he’s a good one for sure but commanded?

 

[GonzoCat90]

If he want to make fun of Roy, we don't even have to look further than last year's roster for a kid he ruined. Nas Little was supposed to challenge Barrett for the top overall pick in the draft.

That went well.

 

[jeffbuckies]

If he want to make fun of Roy, we don't even have to look further than last year's roster for a kid he ruined. Nas Little was supposed to challenge Barrett for the top overall pick in the draft.

That went well.

I agree about Little not living up to expectations (although, those were based solely off of two games), but do you really think that Barrett is going to be the top pick?

 

[GonzoCat90]

I agree about Little not living up to expectations (although, those were based solely off of two games), but do you really think that Barrett is going to be the top pick?

I'm talking about the way they were viewed before the season. Barrett was a sure-fire lock for #1, Little was the guy who could challenge the throne, and then Reddish was in the mix a tier below.

The only Duke guy to benefit from this season was Zion.

 

[UK90]

I'm just saying Roy Williams has a history of holding back and ruining 5 star recruits. If that's what happened to Woods he wouldn't be the first.

As opposed to the wonders we did for 5 Star McDonald's All Americans like Marcus Lee, Sacha Killeya-Jones, Skal Labisierre, Ryan Harrow, Nick Richards, etc.?

That sort of thing happens everywhere. The only difference is the spin we put on it. When it happens here, we blame the player. When it happens at a UNC or Duke, we blame the coach.

And, again, Woods was merely a 4 star rapidly falling in the ranks by the end of his high school career, so this ain't exactly a shocking result given where he was coming in.

 

[Terror Beard]

They got a 4-star combo guard the same day as Anthony named Anthony Harris I believe, took him away from the hapless Hoosiers. Not sure where the double-signing leaves them with scholarships, but Seventh was no doubt starting to see he'd never even match his name in the rotation...

By the way, the idea that this doesn't hurt the CHEATERS is not exactly accurate. He's was a rising senior with deep experience in Roy's system. He actually was a starter while Coby White got his bearings, and as I recall had a terrific game to help them beat Gonzaga in December.

I don't think it was Cole's signing that sent Seventh packing. I think it was the signing of Anthony Harris (similar senior year rank) and then knowing that Carolina is most likely going to sign Christian Keeling - grad transfer from Charleston Southern. I think Seventh would have figured that Cole would start but that he would get some good back up minutes and even some minutes at the 2 with Cole. But the signing of 2 more guards signaled to Seventh that he would get mop up minutes at best again next year. I wish him well.

Agree on your second point. First of all, I don't like when any player transfers out, especially as nice a kid as Seventh. But you're absolutely right in that even when players aren't super productive, they've at least spent time in the coach's system and they know what to expect and the hope is that they mentor the young guys and help in getting them acclimated to the program's culture. Seventh never lived up to his mix tapes and his billing but it's because he just didn't have the innate PG skills. He was a 2 trapped in a 1's body. He and his camp wanted Roy to play him at the 1 because they knew that was his only hope of ever reaching the NBA. Roy did but Seventh just never became proficient in running Roy's system. He could be successful in a system that doesn't require as much attention to spacing and timing. But yeah, maybe his best game of his career at Carolina was his game against Gonzaga.

So, now the only returning players of consequence are Brooks and Robinson. Williams does not do well with those type of teams. See 2010.

I'd say Roy is batting .500 in this department. Because while 2010 was a disaster that followed the mass exodus of the 2009 title team, 2006 was a huge success following the mass exodus after the 05 title. Carolina finished 2nd in the ACC in 2006 on the back of a freshman Hansbrough. They were predicted to struggle that year.

 

[Big John Stud]

As opposed to the wonders we did for 5 Star McDonald's All Americans like Marcus Lee, Sacha Killeya-Jones, Skal Labisierre, Ryan Harrow, Nick Richards, etc.?

That sort of thing happens everywhere. The only difference is the spin we put on it. When it happens here, we blame the player. When it happens at a UNC or Duke, we blame the coach.

And, again, Woods was merely a 4 star rapidly falling in the ranks by the end of his high school career, so this ain't exactly a shocking result given where he was coming in.

What's your all UNC NBA team? My Kentucky team is Anthony Davis, Karl Towns, John Wall, Devin Booker, and DeMarcus Cousins. That sort of thing doesn't happen everywhere.

Roy is known for holding guys back to benefit Roy, that's why they have so few one and dones. All the talent that has gone thru UNC under Roy and they don't have a single NBA All Star. Their best teams are full of juniors and seniors, former HS stars that Roy Williams worked his magic on. Claiming Roy prepares his players like Cal is laughable. Yeah, some of Cal's players are busts too but nowhere to the level of Roy Williams players. It ain't spin, Cal is next level compared to Roy in that department.

 

[Terror Beard]

If he want to make fun of Roy, we don't even have to look further than last year's roster for a kid he ruined. Nas Little was supposed to challenge Barrett for the top overall pick in the draft.

That went well.

Coby White wasn't considered a OAD by anyone yet he'll be a lottery pick. So I'd say those two cancel each other out and Roy's even.

This notion that Roy "ruins" 5 star recruits is inane. Does he favor upperclassmen? Yes. Does his system not allow for some guys to "showcase" their skills? Yes. But Marvin Williams, Brandan Wright, Hansbrough, Barnes and Coby are guys that excelled as freshman under Roy.

 

[Terror Beard]

What's your all UNC NBA team? My Kentucky team is Anthony Davis, Karl Towns, John Wall, Devin Booker, and DeMarcus Cousins. That sort of thing doesn't happen everywhere.

Roy is known for holding guys back to benefit Roy, that's why they have so few one and dones. All the talent that has gone thru UNC under Roy and they don't have a single NBA All Star. Their best teams are full of juniors and seniors, former HS stars that Roy Williams worked his magic on. Claiming Roy prepares his players like Cal is laughable. Yeah, some of Cal's players are busts too but nowhere to the level of Roy Williams players. It ain't spin, Cal is next level compared to Roy in that department.

No where in Roy's job description (or Cal's for that matter, I assume) does it state that he should focus on preparing players for the NBA. He is tasked with winning games for the University. If players benefit enough for them to land in the NBA, then that's great too. But you say Roy is looking out for Roy. No. He's looking out for the university that employs him. That's what he's supposed to do.

Who's claiming that Roy prepares guys for the NBA as well as Cal? I don't know anyone claiming that. I don't care if Roy does that all that well because that's not what Roy is paid to do. He's paid to win games, win championships and teach guys how to be successful, productive citizens in whatever life path they choose.

 

[Big John Stud]

No where in Roy's job description (or Cal's for that matter, I assume) does it state that he should focus on preparing players for the NBA. He is tasked with winning games for the University. If players benefit enough for them to land in the NBA, then that's great too. But you say Roy is looking out for Roy. No. He's looking out for the university that employs him. That's what he's supposed to do.

Who's claiming that Roy prepares guys for the NBA as well as Cal? I don't know anyone claiming that. I don't care if Roy does that all that well because that's not what Roy is paid to do. He's paid to win games, win championships and teach guys how to be successful, productive citizens in whatever life path they choose.

My argument isn't what his focus should or shouldn't be, my argument is that he holds back players. I'm still amazed at the amount of heat you get on this board for criticizing Duke or UNC.

 

[FrankUnderwood]

The "another stud" already landed. I'm guessin the Cole Anthony commit is the reason for this.

As for Woods, I remember back when he was only like 12 or 13 years old he was one of those kids who was being hyped on youtube as the next great SUPER DUPER STAR of the future. And, of course, he's turned out nowhere near that good.

The internet really does a disservice to those kids.

I know it sounds absurd, but his unique name had a bit to do with all that as well

 

[FrankUnderwood]

No where in Roy's job description (or Cal's for that matter, I assume) does it state that he should focus on preparing players for the NBA. He is tasked with winning games for the University. If players benefit enough for them to land in the NBA, then that's great too. But you say Roy is looking out for Roy. No. He's looking out for the university that employs him. That's what he's supposed to do.

Who's claiming that Roy prepares guys for the NBA as well as Cal? I don't know anyone claiming that. I don't care if Roy does that all that well because that's not what Roy is paid to do. He's paid to win games, win championships and teach guys how to be successful, productive citizens in whatever life path they choose.

Is Roy paid to ensure proper class attendance for his players?

Or... nah?

 

[TigerMoving]

Harrison Barnes coming back for his sophomore year is the most surprising decision of the one and done area imo, that made no sense

 

[Terror Beard]

My argument isn't what his focus should or shouldn't be, my argument is that he holds back players. I'm still amazed at the amount of heat you get on this board for criticizing Duke or UNC.

I'm a visiting Carolina fan. I wouldn't characterize my rebuttal as "heat". I just disagree with the notion that Roy "holds guys back". Or maybe it's the rationale from opposing fans that I disagree with. Sure, freshman don't normally show out in our system. But rival fans make it out to be some nefarious scheme that Roy has put together to sabotage a kids' dreams. That's absurd. If we agree to the term "holding a player back", it's only done in the best interest of the team's goals.

Is Roy paid to ensure proper class attendance for his players?

Or... nah?

No. He isn't. They have compliance officers and assistant coaches for that. I think.

 

[TomTraubertsBlues]

Harrison Barnes coming back for his sophomore year is the most surprising decision of the one and done area imo, that made no sense

Just because I love this piece of trivia, I will repeat it here. Barnes has the distinction of being the only player TWICE named to the pre-season All-American team, only to not be named on ANY of the THREE post-season AA teams. That's hard to do.

 

[Terror Beard]

Harrison Barnes coming back for his sophomore year is the most surprising decision of the one and done area imo, that made no sense

He really only lost 3 draft spots at most because of that decision and if I'm not mistaken, a looming NBA lockout had a lot to do with his decision. Furthermore, he improved from his freshman year to his sophomore year and one could argue (Barnes has argued this point in the past) that Barnes was more ready for the league when he got there because of the second year at Carolina. He immediately made an impact with the Warriors, won a championship and then signed a contract with Dallas for close to $90 million. No one is crying for Harrison.

 

[TigerMoving]

I just remember Barnes going 1 for 80 in the 2016 finals. James McAdoo might be the best example actually

 

[FrankUnderwood]

As opposed to the wonders we did for 5 Star McDonald's All Americans like Marcus Lee, Sacha Killeya-Jones, Skal Labisierre, Ryan Harrow, Nick Richards, etc.?

That sort of thing happens everywhere. The only difference is the spin we put on it. When it happens here, we blame the player. When it happens at a UNC or Duke, we blame the coach.

And, again, Woods was merely a 4 star rapidly falling in the ranks by the end of his high school career, so this ain't exactly a shocking result given where he was coming in.

Are you a fan of Seventh?

 

[FrankUnderwood]

I'm a visiting Carolina fan. I wouldn't characterize my rebuttal as "heat". I just disagree with the notion that Roy "holds guys back". Or maybe it's the rationale from opposing fans that I disagree with. Sure, freshman don't normally show out in our system. But rival fans make it out to be some nefarious scheme that Roy has put together to sabotage a kids' dreams. That's absurd. If we agree to the term "holding a player back", it's only done in the best interest of the team's goals.



No. He isn't. They have compliance officers and assistant coaches for that. I think.

Oh okay. Of course