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[Son_Of_Saul]

Orton, Poythress, Wiltjer, Young, D. Johnson, Lee, Labissiere, Briscoe, Gabriel, Killeya Jones, all come to mind as being highly regarded Kentucky players who fit the underdeveloped/held back mold.

Seven of those guys have combined for 14 years of NBA play. Four of them are still active. Three of them transferred from UK and two of those still ended up on G-League teams.

If that's the best you can do as far as besmirching UK, you really aren't advancing your argument very far, pal.

Maybe you should go back to shoveling bison poop or whatever it is you do when you're not trolling.

 

[ZZBlueComet]

Can't trust them mixtapes.. Ryan Harrow's was one of the best...

Hunter McClintock is the all-time best mix tape.

 

[uky8unc5]

I still have capacity for independent rational thought. And this happens to be one area where our UNC bashing really does not make much sense to intelligent people.

If you are going to claim to be rational and intelligent, then you need to provide documentation to back that up.
:sunglasses:

 

[UK90]

If you are going to claim to be rational and intelligent, then you need to provide documentation to back that up.
:sunglasses:

First, you cite some examples where I allegedly have not been such, and then I will respond.

 

[JC43]

Seven of those guys have combined for 14 years of NBA play. Four of them are still active. Three of them transferred from UK and two of those still ended up on G-League teams.

If that's the best you can do as far as besmirching UK, you really aren't advancing your argument very far, pal.

Maybe you should go back to shoveling bison poop or whatever it is you do when you're not trolling.

I was typing on my phone just that, amazing what some other fanbase narratives are...
Little was considered top 5 and even challenging for the top spot at one point in mocks, and then the season started...his and cam reddish's choices cost them money and draft spots. Was little more hype, probably so , if couldn't supplant some Sr or upper classmen for major minutes. He is a great athlete, but Roy tends to play upperclassmen unless you are a baller like Coby White.

 

[JC43]

Orton, Poythress, Wiltjer, Young, D. Johnson, Lee, Labissiere, Briscoe, Gabriel, Killeya Jones, all come to mind as being highly regarded Kentucky players who fit the underdeveloped/held back mold.

You remind me of another poster, is this bizarro Frank Underwood? Or his nemesis per chance?

 

[uky8unc5]

First, you cite some examples where I allegedly have not been such, and then I will respond.

Easy...I was just joking. Nothing more.

 

[Blueaz]

Orton, Poythress, Wiltjer, Young, D. Johnson, Lee, Labissiere, Briscoe, Gabriel, Killeya Jones, all come to mind as being highly regarded Kentucky players who fit the underdeveloped/held back mold.

orton...lol
poy...the heart of a scholar
Wiltjer...really?
young...got highly drafted...iirc
Johnson...no one thought he was oad
Lee...see above
skal...everyone swung and missed...didn't he still get drafted?
Briscoe... is still shooting poorly and steeping out of bounds
Gabriel...see Johnson, lee
SKj...really?

 

[ballerstu2u]

orton...lol
poy...the heart of a scholar
Wiltjer...really?
young...got highly drafted...iirc
Johnson...no one thought he was oad
Lee...see above
skal...everyone swung and missed...didn't he still get drafted?
Briscoe... is still shooting poorly and steeping out of bounds
Gabriel...see Johnson, lee
SKj...really?

You can’t take credit for the ones that work out and pass credit on those who didn’t. This was in reference to someone saying the unc coach doesn’t develop players. No more besmirching of uk than of what some uk fans do. UK has had talent that didn’t pan out too

 

[FrankUnderwood]

That's not what I am AT ALL. And, if you think that, then you must not have read any of my posts beyond this thread. I hate UNC more than any other program in the country, and I've stated that, and the reasons why, plenty times over the years.

But that doesn't mean I'll buy every single UNC bashing post regardless of whether it actually makes sense. I still have capacity for independent rational thought. And this happens to be one area where our UNC bashing really does not make much sense to intelligent people.

Fair enough, solid answer.

 

[Big John Stud]

Roy Williams has probably recruited close to 40 5 star players to UNC since he got there in 03. In the one and done era before this season he had 3 one and done guys, Marvin Williams 05, Brandon Wright 07, and Tony Bradley in 17. 3 guys total and not a single one and done for a 10 year span at a blueblood program. All those players that he's had at UNC throughout 16 years and he has zero NBA All Stars but its unreasonable to suggest that he holds players back. Well I guess he has really bad luck then.

 

[Big John Stud]

You can’t take credit for the ones that work out and pass credit on those who didn’t. This was in reference to someone saying the unc coach doesn’t develop players. No more besmirching of uk than of what some uk fans do. UK has had talent that didn’t pan out too

Yes, and UK has superstars, UNC doesn't.

 

[UK90]

Yes, and UK has superstars, UNC doesn't.

But, during that period, Roy won three national championships and Cal only one.

So I guess this discussion comes down to that. Would you rather have more national championships but fewer NBA "superstars", or vice versa?

 

[Jkwo_rivals113955]

Yeah, it's common to come up with lists of draft busts, but I'm interested in players who were considered transcendent in middle school-10th grade or so and then everyone else surpassed them. It's so interesting how they can be that far ahead on the development curve.

I remember hearing crazy hype about Seventh Woods, Laquinton Ross, Deshaun Thomas.. although the latter two ended up good in college eventually.

Actually, speaking of those latter two, maybe it was just a Thad Matta thing, because I remember after Oden, he landed the number 1 big two years in a row (Koufos and Mullens) and those guys healthy did about as much as he did in the league.

Renardo Sidney, too, but his story was more about poor decision making.

Guys like Bas Telfair, Lance Stephenson, OJ Mayo also kind of peaked at that time, but at least they were/are contributors in the league.

edit: Remember Chris Walker? How did that kid not make it?

 

[turkeywildturkey]

I don't think that's the case.

Quade was rated higher than Shai, and Shai got the start over him.

I do think Cal gives the guys he thinks are better than they are playing more leash.

If Skal figures it out and is the special player you thought he was--suddenly you're a dangerous team.

What a ******** statement. Cal watches these guys every day. You don’t. He plays the best players, period.

 

[Blueaz]

You can’t take credit for the ones that work out and pass credit on those who didn’t. This was in reference to someone saying the unc coach doesn’t develop players. No more besmirching of uk than of what some uk fans do. UK has had talent that didn’t pan out too

so any kid that is not OAD is a failure? gtfoh

 

[Big John Stud]

But, during that period, Roy won three national championships and Cal only one.

So I guess this discussion comes down to that. Would you rather have more national championships but fewer NBA "superstars", or vice versa?

What on earth does that have to do with anything. I said Roy Williams holds back players, that's it. You had an issue with that and claimed that he didnt. The argument isn't would I rather have titles or NBA superstars, we're talking about him holding players back.

Yes he has more titles, because while Karl Towns, Trey Lyles, Devin Booker, and Tyler Ulis were in the NBA making millions, the 5 star guys from their 2014 class that played in the McDonald's All American game with them, Justin Jackson, Theo Pinson, and Joel Berry were juniors in college teaming with for former 2013 5 star McDonald's All Americans Isiah Hicks and Kennedy Meeks who were seniors to beat a Kentucky team that started freshmen De'Aaron Fox, Malik Monk, and Bam Adebayo, and sophomore Isiah Briscoe with the help from John Higgins of course. He had a team full of junior and senior players who were former 5 star McDonald's All Americans because he holds players back which was my whole argument.

 

[ballerstu2u]

Asking again, what’s wrong with returning to college? I wish more Kentucky and Duke guys would return.

UNC sure seems to be a sore subject, but I have to ask as a fan of college basketball. In the last ten years, if you give Roy Cal’s rosters, and Cal gets Roy’s, what would’ve happened? I’d wager a steak dinner Roy would have a few more titles. His teams seem to develop throughout the year.

No offense to Cal, it just seems that if he doesn’t get the best of the best, he struggles. UK had a great college basketball roster this year, depth at most positions, big men galore, a few guards and experience. But, there were no “all-stars,” coaching and development matter in that case.

 

[Big John Stud]

Asking again, what’s wrong with returning to college? I wish more Kentucky and Duke guys would return.

UNC sure seems to be a sore subject, but I have to ask as a fan of college basketball. In the last ten years, if you give Roy Cal’s rosters, and Cal gets Roy’s, what would’ve happened? I’d wager a steak dinner Roy would have a few more titles. His teams seem to develop throughout the year.

No offense to Cal, it just seems that if he doesn’t get the best of the best, he struggles. UK had a great college basketball roster this year, depth at most positions, big men galore, a few guards and experience. But, there were no “all-stars,” coaching and development matter in that case.

There's nothing wrong with returning to college if that's the best thing for the player. If you ruin the future of a player for your own advancement I personally have a problem with that. I know a lot of you guys value your entertainment over the future of these guys and are cool with it.

Roy Williams teams dont get better over the year, they get better over the years. He won his titles with senior and junior laden teams, doubtful he would win with our roster chock full of underclassmen.