Received by UNC or Released by UNC on memorial day? There is a lot of speculation that UNC has already been given the amended NOA.
North Carolina Scandal Etc
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He is saying "released," because they are allowed to take time to redact, though they abuse that right by taking longer than necessary and in order to time the release (hence the Friday before Memorial Day speculation). I believe UNC released the original NOA around 2-3 weeks after it was received...and did some liberal (being kind) redacting.
I am making an educated speculative guess that UNC releases the NOA to the public by the end of the day on May 27. I certainly hope it's sooner.
This guy has supposedly seen parts of the NOA and this is a quote from the second LOIC.
Sorry misread his post. I knew they would redact it and they would choose a three day weekend or during some natural disaster to hide it.
i wonder how many times they'll redact "men's basketball" this time
^^summarizes the absurdity of the whole scandal
it'd be even more funny if they hadn't been so close to getting away with it.
Hartlyn-Andrews report (early 2012) -- "athletes weren't getting special treatment!"
...NCAA ignores the scandal...
Martin report (late 2012) -- "the classes were fake, but it was just an academic scandal!"
...NCAA ignores the scandal...
Wainstein (2014) -- "y'all are so FOS. this was totally about maintaining athletic eligibility."
...NCAA ignores the scandal...
McCants (2014) -- "Guys, I literally NEVER went to class nor did ANY work during our championship year. And I was on the dean's list."
...NCAA begrudgingly reopens the investigation...
SACS (June 2015) -- "UNC: You're on probation. Now stop lying and tell us the truth."
...NCAA finally issues a NOA...
UNC speaking to SACS (2015-16) -- "I guess you're right. Those classes were straight-up fake."
...NCAA:
I remember one of the UNC posters arguing with me on and on about this very issue....if any other bball coaches were claiming that Roy had to know. Thank-you, Kennedy, for saying just that:
"But in basketball the head coach would know about it because he would have to approve dropping classes and getting into another class to stay eligible for graduation."
^^summarizes the absurdity of the whole scandal
it'd be even more funny if they hadn't been so close to getting away with it.
Hartlyn-Andrews report (early 2012) -- "athletes weren't getting special treatment!"
...NCAA ignores the scandal...
Martin report (late 2012) -- "the classes were fake, but it was just an academic scandal!"
...NCAA ignores the scandal...
Wainstein (2014) -- "y'all are so FOS. this was totally about maintaining athletic eligibility."
...NCAA ignores the scandal...
McCants (2014) -- "Guys, I literally NEVER went to class nor did ANY work during our championship year. And I was on the dean's list."
...NCAA begrudgingly reopens the investigation...
SACS (June 2015) -- "UNC: You're on probation. Now stop lying and tell us the truth."
...NCAA finally issues a NOA...
UNC speaking to SACS (2015-16) -- "I guess you're right. Those classes were straight-up fake."
...NCAA:
The bottomline is that is sounds like SACS was the hero who brought about justice in the world!
essentially: an outside agency without a conflict of interest was the only one willing to enforce authentic standards
the NCAA being judge, jury, and executioner for its own revenue-generating subsidiaries is the very definition of "conflict of interest"
Serious attempt to answer, but with this question . . . hasn't unc already gone All In? That is to say, at any point of accepting punishment would not that not also be an admission of having attempted to weasel away from a known guilt? You only have so many opportunities for dignity, to own a mistake, to right a wrong. Is unc not long past that? What are they going to do? Make the statement "because the ncaa has made the decision that our own policies must be enforced we have decided to comply?" I like it, sho' nuff. But no, they will get nastier than nasty. Emmert better be a man of impeccable virtue, and if he's got anything on him worse than this unsatisfied pledge we'll be knowing about it very soon. btw, if we need to raise the remaining 50k in order to make sure this thing goes through I'm good for two grand.
Ol' Roy was concerned and ended the clustering to AFAM majoring and classes. Yet didn't know?
I have some ocean front property in Eastern KY for sale to any of the goober's that buy that load of ****.
I have some ocean front property in Eastern KY for sale to any of the goober's that buy that load of ****.
This is how you know Roy knew. Roy said he was concerned by the clustering of his athletes in those classes, so he put a stop to it. However, UNC disguised all of those classes as legit lecture courses. If those courses were indeed legit lecture courses as UNC made them appear...Roy had no reason to be concerned. Roy was "concerned" because he fully realized the classes were bogus. Roy knew those classes were not legit lecture courses.
Ever since the Peppers transcript got leaked, I was of the opinion that UNC would never come clean and would never cooperate because they knew whatever punishment they would deserve for the ineligibilities would be so ****ing severe that an added charge of Failure to Cooperate wouldn't even matter.
The bodies piled up in their backyard are so numerous that they know coming clean with the cops won't save them.
WOW !!! Thank you for this....would you please help me with:
(i) the ramifications of "academic fraud" relative to penalties that may be issued to UNCheat
(Ii) if it can be proven that these classes go back to Dean Smith's tenure, will the NCAA "reach back" to the time the "academic fraud" first came into being
(Iii) will "academic fraud" lead to Federal investigations, i.e., Pell Grants and other Federally funded grants to UNCheat
(iv) will SACS bring the hammer down on UNCheats in a manner to totally discredit and disenfranchise the school as a whole
(v) what is the likelihood that UNCheat basketball wins and National Championships will be wiped out
Sorry to be so long, but your report kinda got my gears going....you take would be appreciated.
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my god . . . the Peppers transcript . . . that seems like forever ago and I had forgotten about that completely. Absolutely you're right And the added element of time at this point . . . . cooperate? some. admit? never. My thinking keeps going to that moment if/when it does happen and salvaging dignity becomes essential - a natural recourse. But is that even available for them? Is there any avenue whatsoever that unc can salvage any dignity, other than fight to the bitter end by exhausting every legal process available, and if defeated, vehemently disagree?
SACS was the second attack wave. NCST Wolfpack fans took the beach and moved on to secure the high ground. [cheers]
I can give a document to the NCAA and they say thanks that is interesting. The SACS gives the same document that I sent them to the NCAA and they say, we are going to burn the dean dome to the ground. Who presents is important. I know for a fact that a lot of info was communicated to the SACS and it helped with the cause.
Agreed. We can NEVER diminish the work of the Wolfpack in their own D-day style attack.
our Wolfpack friends might've taken Omaha and Utah, but Kentucky's own Aligned_for_9 secured Juno beach!
I'd hate to find out you guys were going thru my garbage. [pfftt] #burnpitstarted
AF9= Patton standing on the hood of a jeep, directing tanks up the road. :victory:
The thing people need to keep in mind is that the way UNC's College of Arts & Sciences is intentionally designed to be open to disparate classes etc. So just because someone ends up with a Communications degree (for example) doesn't mean that they haven't taken a ton of AFAM courses.
There was an interview a few years ago with a UNC football player who noted that he wasn't even sure whether he had 'graduated' in AFAM Studies or Communications until they sent him his diploma in the mail. (if someone remembers who that was let me know.)
UNC defenders like to talk about the claim that Roy Williams didn't like to see his players clustered in AFAM studies, and afterwards this became less and less an issue for the basketball program. That's partly true, but what's not mentioned was that 1.) basketball players continued to rely on these bogus AFAM studies classes to earn credit and maintain their GPAs (at least until Wayne Walden and Crowder left the school) and 2.) in terms of graduation, many of them moved over to Communications, so in effect they were still clustered. (if that was truly what Williams was 'concerned' about.)
Now Ole Roy says DADGUMMIT, there is nothing to see here and he is not going to talk about that other junk , and he is sure the men's basketball team will not get touched. IF that truly does happen there had to be large sums of money changing hands someplace !
AG is another battle tested vet in the fight to bring down the UNaziCheats. LOL.
I got him pictured in my mind sitting behind a 50cal, with a chewed up stogie butt sticking out of the corner of his mouth. :uzi:
Just a reminder... in order to receive financial aid and be eligible for NCAA competition, athletes MUST be a full-time student actively making progress toward degree. If those conditions are not met....ineligible.
The overwhelming majority of revenue athletes only take the minimum requirements to remain full-time.... 12 credit hours. With a course load of 11 hours or less, the athlete is ineligible for NCAA competition.
Based on SACS/UNC agreement on academic fraud....the bogus classes will not count. If an athlete who was only taking 12 hours of classes, but then lost a single hour of credit due to a bogus class...he/she is then ineligible due to not being full-time.
The overwhelming majority of revenue athletes only take the minimum requirements to remain full-time.... 12 credit hours. With a course load of 11 hours or less, the athlete is ineligible for NCAA competition.
Based on SACS/UNC agreement on academic fraud....the bogus classes will not count. If an athlete who was only taking 12 hours of classes, but then lost a single hour of credit due to a bogus class...he/she is then ineligible due to not being full-time.
True.
And beyond that they need to maintain a certain grade point average to remain eligible. For many of these athletes these bogus classes was what allowed them to stay above the minimal line necessary to compete.
Beyond that, the school is required by the NCAA by-laws to certify that these athletes are indeed eligible to compete. If these staffers are aware that the classes are bogus, yet proceed to certify that they are eligible, then IMO they are committing fraud.
The NCAA manual doesn't have a lot of specific rules because it's based on an assumption of integrity and honesty. When a school like UNC blatantly disregards all these things throughout, then they open themselves up to whatever the NCAA wants to do with them.
This is from the NCAA.....sometimes I am confused at exactly how this works out with Summer classes, etc:
In Division I, student-athletes must complete 40 percent of the coursework required for a degree by the end of their second year. They must complete 60 percent by the end of their third year and 80 percent by the end of their fourth year. Student-athletes are allowed five years to graduate while receiving athletically related financial aid. All Division I student-athletes must earn at least six credit hours each term to be eligible for the following term and must meet minimum grade-point average requirements that are related to an institution’s own GPA standards for graduation.
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2016 NCAA Title Game-Participant Rings just in:pic.twitter.com/MWYGdggfD7
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2016 NCAA Title Game-Participant Rings just in:pic.twitter.com/MWYGdggfD7
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From the Wainstein report. AFAM and paper class.
wondering where you been . . . making them see things they don't want to see? awesome pic.
From the ncstate board. I couldn't resist posting it due to the biscuit banner.
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