North Carolina Scandal Etc

[wolfheart]

According to RCCPMD ( power 5 compliance guy) NCAA will use Bylaw 14.01.3 as the basis for violations. This Bylaw says to be eligible a SA must comply with NCAA and university rules and regulations. By UNC's policy, all IS classes must have a contract between the S and a member of permanent faculty. DC was not a professor so all SAs that took her courses had no contract and were in violation of university policy and also Bylaw 14.01.3. Use of this Bylaw avoids having to use academic fraud allegation. This very well could be wrong as I am relying on RCCPMD as being correct as to what is being used. Sounds reasonable. Under this provision, NCAA does not have to say they were not FTSs. They were simply ineligible due to violation of UP.

 

[larry the cable guy]

When you do, keep an eye out for the idiot that posted this on THR today.



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I find it funny the amount of "haters" that claim to be upset that kids were cheated out of a education. How can a UK fan really say they care about kids getting a education, with the amount of OAD they produce?
Why don't they just be honest & admit they're jealous of the UNC Program & the Carolina way & want nothing more to see the UNC basketball team be found guilty of being as dirty as UKs program & its history

Still scratching my head wondering what Kentucky would be jealous about in comparison to UNC.

That dude is an idiot and anyone who has had a conversation with him on either board knows it. He slurps the baby blue Kool Aid for sure.

 

[preacherfan]

According to RCCPMD ( power 5 compliance guy) NCAA will use Bylaw 14.01.3 as the basis for violations. This Bylaw says to be eligible a SA must comply with NCAA and university rules and regulations. By UNC's policy, all IS classes must have a contract between the S and a member of permanent faculty. DC was not a professor so all SAs that took her courses had no contract and were in violation of university policy and also Bylaw 14.01.3. Use of this Bylaw avoids having to use academic fraud allegation. This very well could be wrong as I am relying on RCCPMD as being correct as to what is being used. Sounds reasonable. Under this provision, NCAA does not have to say they were not FTSs. They were simply ineligible due to violation of UP.

That sounds reasonable. Bottomline is a class being completely taught and overseen by a secretary is a total fraud.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Guys, I advise you to invest in a box of popcorn and a fine bottle of Kentucky bourbon.

1989-2011

I'm 100% ready

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Mark i'll give you a little history on uncfaninky
we had a poster whose son had died (i think he committed suicide)
uncfaninky posted on that fans fan page some comments about his son dying that showed what a true piece of garbage he is
he should have been banned from the entire rivals network

Good lord! That's reprehensible.

 

[preacherfan]

Good lord! That's reprehensible.

I will say that he did deny doing that on the board.

But, he also was caught posting under a different user name and later denied it ever happened. I was there the night he was caught. He was in a heavy discussion on this board using an alias and within seconds of a post from the other poster, he replied using his regular username on the THR board. As it turned out, the RR poster had set a trap and caught him.

 

[larry the cable guy]

Scoff if you will. I'm telling you that banners are falling.

Cue the Daffy Duck GIF

I know this may seem cold but it's too bad Dean Smith isn't still around to see his fraudulent empire burned to the ground.

 

[MWes11]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article73163537.html

What to look for when UNC’s new notice of allegations becomes public

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Someone posted a video once that was purported to be uncfaninky, but I don't know if it was ever confirmed. If anyone still has it, I'd like to see it again.

 

[MdWIldcat55]

Scoff if you will. I'm telling you that banners are falling.

I'm not scoffing, exactly, I just find it too much to hope for. If you are correct, it'll be a day of justice and jubilation, and I will be among those celebrating you for your inside info. One thing is for sure, somebody is waaaaay off. The Inside Carolina crowd have totally convinced themselves that the UNC basketball team will not --- indeed, CANNOT -- be touched by the NCAA.

 

[P.PattersonISwalkingthruthatdoor]

As we near the release of the Notice of Allegations...prepare yourself for the UNC PR machine to step up the efforts. We're about to see an increase in pro-UNC articles & media coverage. The propaganda fluff pieces are about to start coming harder than they have in several months. DO NOT FALL FOR IT.

UNC is paying millions of dollars to PR to carefully construct a message. This "plan of attack" is being dispersed to various national and state media sources. You must remember that UNC's PR team is expensive for a reason...they earn every one of those dollars because they are great at putting lipstick on a pig. Do not fall for it.

True/False: Many of the warning shots are being fired by one of UNC's former conference rivals

 

[blugrazz]

Just got done watching The Big Short last night and reading the New Observer article this morning and it got me thinking how the UNC scandal might be a movie one day albeit probably a really bad one. But for that to happen UNC needs to get hammered and some heads have to turn of course that wasn't the case The Big Short.

 

[IdaCat]

 

[Scotty00]

That dude is an idiot and anyone who has had a conversation with him on either board knows it. He slurps the baby blue Kool Aid for sure.

That dude is the biggest dumba** ever lol. I even had people from his board message me talking sh*t about how dumb he is!!! He is now known as "UNCheatinky"

 

[preacherfan]

Just got done watching The Big Short last night and reading the New Observer article this morning and it got me thinking how the UNC scandal might be a movie one day albeit probably a really bad one. But for that to happen UNC needs to get hammered and some heads have to turn of course that wasn't the case The Big Short.

Time for Bradley Bethel to raise some funds from NCst fans and UK fans to do that!!! C'mon Bradley! You can get out of debt and make an honest living for a change.

 

[nookam]

The corrupt chicken (cock) suckers at the NCAA have been pretty much exposed by not doing anything in 2010. Then the laughable Ex Gov. Martin report "this is an academic problem" and had nothing to do with athletics report. After the Wainstein report he changed his tune. Interestingly, Wainstein suspected fraud in other classes and offered to investigate at 1/2 price since he only investigated AFAM. UNC said, hell no!
The NCAA would have never treated us like this since 2010. We would still be hurting from penalties. Does the NCAA have the nuggets in the pouch to take a few titles or at least 1 and a few hundred wins?

 

[nookam]

Time for Bradley Bethel to raise some funds from NCst fans and UK fans to do that!!! C'mon Bradley! You can get out of debt and make an honest living for a change.

Karl Malden would have made a nice Dean Smith.

 

[Kooky Kats_anon]

The academia overlooked this fraud for two reasons.

1. Largely minority students. The leftist point of view is collectively the same on most college campuses these days. African Amercian students are systematically withheld from white America's recourses, and they must be given "extra" leniency and a different standard.

Conversely, the black student on campus should be enraged that their education process is unequal to the white student. Being inspired, challenged, and pushed is to educate. Being blindly degreed, is racist - as it suggests that without lower standards the black student is incapable for achievement.

NTM: I'd be pissed (if I were black) that the institution USED African American Studies as the vehicle for their omnibus fraud... Saying there's nothing worth studying on the topic in the first place.

 

[.S&C.]

Conversely, the black student on campus should be enraged that their education process is unequal to the white student. Being inspired, challenged, and pushed is to educate. Being blindly degreed, is racist - as it suggests that without lower standards the black student is incapable for achievement.

NTM: I'd be pissed (if I were black) that the institution USED African American Studies as the vehicle for their omnibus fraud... Saying there's nothing worth studying on the topic in the first place.

Exactly. It's a problem that is absolutely not being addressed due to an entire ideology of panderers. Soft bigotry. IMO, far worse than some forms of prevalent bigotry.

 

[catfanlou]

Exactly. It's a problem that is absolutely not being addressed due to an entire ideology of panderers. Soft bigotry. IMO, far worse than some forms of prevalent bigotry.

I hope people will begin to realize that UNC has already been shown incredibly favorable treatment by the NCAA. Given the same facts (18 plus years of fake classes and a scheme to keep players eligible) almost any other school would not have been allowed to play last season. Their players would have been given the right to transfer immediately . But they were allowed to almost win another championship.

That is why I don't hold out much hope for the NCAA doing the right thing here. It is very very obvious the fix is already in.Hopefully ,the rest of the media other than ESPN which is controlled by UNC grad John Skipper will go ballistic and it will be the end of hypocrite Emmert and the NCAA. Could not be a better time for the four or five power conferences to form their own association and let Emmert run a broke NCAA.

 

[KopiKat]

NTM: I'd be pissed (if I were black) that the institution USED African American Studies as the vehicle for their omnibus fraud... Saying there's nothing worth studying on the topic in the first place.

that they lured and teased descendants of slaves with learning based on their race IS the most sinister component. You don't have to be of that race to be very angry about that. What other should be noted in this scheme to warrant severe discipline?

 

[jameslee32]

As far as the UNC-purchased media spin machine, they've been doing that for decades. They don't know anything else.

But I would caution anyone in the media who participates in this charade be aware that they will be held responsible for what they say. A lot of people in the media are already well on their way to destroying their credibility over this issue.

Although I'm sure you understand media dollars are the tail wagging the NCAA dog who's members compromise the Power 5 conferences, maybe we all underestimate the power of the status quo. Can the NCAA equally retain power, save face, keep the money flowing and come down hard on a prominent member?

I've been betting no from almost the beginning so I expect very little in the way of punishment. All of my time following college hoops has taught me to temper expectations and that a sentence very rarely fits the crime. Hopefully justice gets served this time but I'm just not seeing it. This is not our father's financial or political landscape but I appreciate the juicy updates from RR nonetheless.

 

[UKrazycat2_rivals]

I'm 100% ready

Please don't use my picture in any more posts sir. I'm trying to keep my identity a secret. Thanks in advance. Carry on. opcorn:

 

[ZakkW]

don't think the "death penalty" is appropriate here, anyway - never thought it was, for any case. That, IMO, only punishes the school going forward.
If wins are vacated, banners come down and those involved terminated - plus monies returned - for every year an ineligible athlete was used, then the punishment fits the crime. Roy should get a show cause - something that will effectively end his career. The stigma will cling to them for a long time.

Maybe I'm hoping for too much ? But you've not been wrong yet, AF9 - so.......

The school needs to be punished going forward! If for no other reason than to deter others from attempting similar shenanigans. Let the current players leave, be eligible immediately elsewhere and then blast a hole in that crap institution. IMO.

 

[Spanish Radio]

Besides vacating wins and titles where ineligible athletes were used between 1989-2011. Anyone know what the heaviest penalties UNC could face per NCAA guidelines excluding the death penalty?

 

[UKrazycat2_rivals]

Besides vacating wins and titles where ineligible athletes were used. Anyone know what the heaviest penalties UNC could face per NCAA guidelines excluding the death penalty?

I don't, but I hope we find out pretty soon. Whatever it is it won't be enough.

 

[Aligned_for_9]

Well, it appears that the rumor is true. It looks like the amended NOA does in fact allege that UNC athletes were ineligible due to "academic fraud"...in addition to ineligibility due to the Independent Study policy at UNC.

For those who are catching up, this is significant. The NCAA does not like being the one to determine if classes were fraudulent. The NCAA historically relies upon the school to determine "academic fraud"...and this was the stance that the NCAA took in the original NOA since UNC had not yet admitted to academic fraud. AFTER the original NOA, SACS determined "academic fraud" and UNC agreed...in writing. Now that UNC & SACS have both agreed to academic fraud, it appears that the NCAA accepted that testimony....thus it's not the NCAA that actually determined academic fraud. OOPS!

The Independent Study policy alone is believed to create an eligibility problem for about 150 athletes. Ineligibility due to "academic fraud" will ruin a whole lot more eligibilities than the Independent Study Policy.

What kind of bourbon are you drinking tonight?

 

[UKrazycat2_rivals]

Well, it appears that the rumor is true. It looks like the amended NOA does in fact allege that UNC athletes were ineligible due to "academic fraud"...in addition to ineligibility due to the Independent Study policy at UNC.

For those who are catching up, this is significant. The NCAA does not like being the one to determine if class's were fraudulent. The NCAA historically relies upon the school to determine "academic fraud"...and this was the stance that the NCAA took in the original NOA since UNC had not yet admitted to academic fraud. AFTER the original NOA, SACS determined "academic fraud" and UNC agreed...in writing. Now that UNC & SACS have both agreed to academic fraud, it appears that the NCAA accepted that testimony....thus it's not the NCAA that actually determined academic fraud. OOPS!

The Independent Study policy alone is believed to create an eligibility problem for about 150 athletes. Ineligibility due to "academic fraud" will ruin a whole lot more eligibilities than the Independent Study Policy.

What kind of bourbon are you drinking tonight?

190 proof moon shine. Going all in. :fire:

 

[Aligned_for_9]

For those who are still doubtful of meaningful punishment... The NCAA is alleging the span of 1989-2011 to be full of ineligible athletes based on multiple reasons. The NCAA is not going to allege such things if it plans on slapping UNC on the wrist.

 

[KyFaninNC]

For those who are still doubtful of meaningful punishment... The NCAA is alleging the span of 1989-2011 to be full of ineligible athletes based on multiple reasons. The NCAA is not going to allege such things if it plans on slapping UNC on the wrist.

Now the question is, does UNC attempt to negotiate some penalties, or will they fight tooth and nail, and threaten law suits, and make the NCAA hand down punishment?

In other words, what is the chance UNC finally admits wrong doing and takes down banners, vacate wins, etc on it's own?

 

[Lumpy 2]

Now the question is, does UNC attempt to negotiate some penalties, or will they fight tooth and nail, and threaten law suits, and make the NCAA hand down punishment?

In other words, what is the chance UNC finally admits wrong doing and takes down banners, vacate wins, etc on it's own?

I think I'd like to see them sue the NCAA. It would be fun watching Roy and Emmert on the witness stand under oath.

 

[UKrazycat2_rivals]

Now the question is, does UNC attempt to negotiate some penalties, or will they fight tooth and nail, and threaten law suits, and make the NCAA hand down punishment?

In other words, what is the chance UNC finally admits wrong doing and takes down banners, vacate wins, etc on it's own?

No chance. They go down kicking and screaming like the baby blue sissies they are. Crying that they are being victimized. "The Carolina Way".

 

[KopiKat]

For those who are still doubtful of meaningful punishment... The NCAA is alleging the span of 1989-2011 to be full of ineligible athletes based on multiple reasons. The NCAA is not going to allege such things if it plans on slapping UNC on the wrist.

I don't care what can possibly happen to Louisville or who can predict what about it / them. I don't care what is remembered about what did not come true in the name of BlueSuave. You sir, are set up . . . on the Great Rafters Tee . . . heading down that remarkable RR fairway, going further than where no other has dared to go . . . you will be remembered. I just hope it is very well.

 

[Aligned_for_9]

I fully expect the NCAA to go nuclear on UNC with the punishments...and UNC has built a mega-dollar legal team in preparation to fight it.

My question is this....is UNC simply stockpiling an arsenal of top lawyers in hope that it intimidates the NCAA somehow? I cannot fathom a situation where UNC voluntarily puts athletic staff and higher-ups in a position where they have the testify under oath. UNC is guilty as Hell and they know it. Is UNC willing to further expose itself with discovery? As much as we currently know, much more Heel dirt would come out in discovery. Is UNC willing to be further exposed in order to fight the NCAA punishment?

 

[serdi]

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com...-kennedy-points-a-finger-at-dean-smith-in-unc

 

[UKrazycat2_rivals]

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com...-kennedy-points-a-finger-at-dean-smith-in-unc

Bout time someone took a shot at ol big nose. Where it all began. opcorn:

 

[treyforuk_anon]

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com...-kennedy-points-a-finger-at-dean-smith-in-unc

Yowzer!

 

[Aligned_for_9]

Sipping on a pour of Eagle Rare 10 year single barrel tonight.....life is good.

 

[P.PattersonISwalkingthruthatdoor]

Sipping on a pour of Eagle Rare 10 year single barrel tonight.....life is good.

Are we really gonna have to wait until Memorial Day weekend?

 

[Aligned_for_9]

Memorial Day weekend was pure speculation based on timing of when UNC would receive the NOA, a Board meeting could be conducted, and then released to the public. Given UNC's history...Friday heading into Memorial Day weekend fits.