Most Overrated Wrestler
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Wrestled at PSU, maybe for 2 years. Wrestled a handful of dual matches.
The only question will be how many pins MM gets for his career. He went all of 24-25 without a FALL, but smoked almost everbody.
Messenbrink is exhibit A why the TF point criteria should have been raised to 18 or 20 if the TD is going to be 3 points. That of course assumes that we must have the damn thing. In a world where I am supreme wrestling dictator, the tech fall is buried on the ash heap of history and we bring back the superior decision.
Ending matches early has a couple effects:
1.) Spares an inferior opponent the possibility of a Rob Rohn win.
2.) Cheats a superior wrestler out a pin-especially high pace guys like Mesenbrink.
3.) Devalues the FALL which should always be the objective of wrestling.
4.) Cheats the audience. One of these days, there's going to be a dual meet where the aggregate time wrestled is 40 minutes, because five matches are TF's in the first or early second period.
Not so sure about #4. What really cheats the audience, much more than a quick TF, are the far too frequent non-action snooze-fests. Such as the typical Will Lewan bouts.
That's 30 min for Angelo Ferrari, and 10 min for the other 9 matches combined.
According to PA-Wrestling, he had 5 losses- four freshman year and one junior year.
Thomas Haines record
(El_Jefe beat me to it.)
Thomas Haines record
(El_Jefe beat me to it.)
No argument on the snooze fests, but that could be fixed easily.
Where's @CalltheStall on this?
Here's one who is both accomplished and overrated: Gable Steveson. As a freshman people had him as the next 4 time undefeated champ.
That’s fair. In that regard though, you could probably say the same about David Taylor. Crazy good, won 2 lost 2 in NCAA Finals.
On a side note. If we are talking about the best HWT of all time, the conversation begins and ends with Carleton Haselrig.
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Crawford could cradle you from the locker room it was insane lol
Cody Chittum still in college and everybody forgot about him.
I sort of agree with you about Taylor. The only difference to me is that Taylor lost to Dake who is an all-time great and a 4-timer. Going into that match it was pretty much a toss up as to who would win, Dake was probably the favorite. Steveson would have been a favorite over both guys that he lost to.
New a girl hottie from Catty. She lived on the fence of Allentown Airport & I did win by pin
—but I digress 
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Her story was that she won by injury default.New a girl hottie from Catty. She lived on the fence of Allentown Airport & I did win by pin
DeSanto won 1 HS state title and went on to AA 3 times. Not sure how he could have been overrated. It seems to me that he overachieved.
I agree. I think he had a really good college career.
Andrew Campolattano was #4 overall recruit , #1 215. Finished his career as NJs all time pins and wins leader (he was passed this year). Went 175-1 . NJs 2nd ever 4x champ and his college career is remembered more for selling guns to undercover atf agents then anything he accomplished on the mat
I think DeSanto had some expectations put on him because he gave Spencer Lee his only loss to win that 1 HS state title. Had he not won that match, I don't think expectations for him would have been nearly as high.
At no point did I ever think "boy, DeSanto is gonna be a killer in college." He was going to Drexel and I thought maybe a shot at an AA or two. After his Iowa transfer I was still thinking a few AAs. A 5th, a Covid AA plaque and two 3rds behind RBY and Fix is hardly a fail.
During the Cael era at PSU, Andrew Alton should probably be above Jimmy Gulibon for not meeting their high school hype in college. Think there were some labrum issues later in his career but once people learned to avoid his cement mixer and other throws which was about halfway through his freshman year, his gas tank became a problem and he never came close to meeting expectations he started with.
not sure if being critical of an Alton is still a lightning rod on this board but guess we’ll find out
not sure if being critical of an Alton is still a lightning rod on this board but guess we’ll find out
Injuries killed their careers. It also shows that throwing high school kids around doesn't equate to being successful in college
Andrew’s final match was one of the most bizarre matches I have ever seen. Both the wrestling and the officiating.
Big Ten Rewind: 2014 Wrestling -149 LBs - Penn State's Andrew Alton vs. Michigan's Eric Grajales
When you realize that Haselrig had to win 9 or 10 in a row every year to win Division 1 title how truly impressive his titles were
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I think it was, ironically, Dean Heil who pinned him. Many (including me) felt Jimmy returned the favor in the dual meet. The ref saw it differently.