Saw this posted in multiple spots today on x. But it’s not coaching.
OT: Indiana roster
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What is the ranking of their fieldhouse?
That's great, but their bread and butter is from the transfer portal. Lot easier to evaluate talent when you seen it play for a year or two and have the money to outspend others. So, the tweet is misleading, he's a really good coach but this guy is making him out to be God like.
Must be top 10 because we all know it’s all about field houses.
Commentators. Discussed just that when it came to Oregon and Indiana roster comparisons. Not in the same ballpark. Both in player rankings and NIL funding. 24/7 ranks their roster as it is composed with updated rankings via portal. Do you really think JMU transfers cost money? They followed their coach.
They had 21 transfers in this year. They got the JMU kids last year not this year. That's a fifth of the roster. Players want to play for him and get paid from him and the Indiana boosters are willing to provide.
Last year I think not any more or less than any other schools. I think they mostly followed their coach.
This year I think any of them could be getting more money both players who are back and new players.
I think last year vs this year is sort of apples and oranges because it’s a pre revenue sharing world vs a post revenue sharing world.
Yea I know. But he was able to win and get the ball rolling last year with JMU players. If he **** the bed last year there would be less credibility this year. Not saying NIL is not a factor. But it has less to do with NIL at Indiana. And more to do with coaching.
Yea was posting a reply when you made this post. Pretty much said very similar thing.
But the Indiana QB apparently did not take the biggest bag of money. He chose Indiana for Cignetti and his ability to develop him for NFL.
Nico Immagonnaleaveya took less money to go to UCLA and now he is thriving for at least 2 games
This guy chased a bag to go to Penn State and it is not work out well
Nico Immagonnaleaveya took less money to go to UCLA and now he is thriving for at least 2 games
This guy chased a bag to go to Penn State and it is not work out well
Yea they discussed this on a postgame interview I saw. Indiana wasn’t close to being high bidder for his services.
Only when you don’t have a proper field house. Come on. We all know it’s field house, ball, then hydration bar.
While not yet showing up in the W L column and their turnaround will not be as stunning as Indiana's, Purdue is light years better with Odom as head coach and a bunch of players he brought over who wanted to play for him.
Talent evaluation of portal talent and then integration of players who have not played together is critical. RU has not done that well with either of those. Think Purdue is going to be a difficult game.
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They posted a win % stat during the game. Historically Indiana had 38% winning percentage. Cignetti has close to a 90% winning percentage at Indiana. Yes not dealing with a huge data set with Cignetti at Indiana. But Cignettis career head coaching winning percentage is greater than 80%. He’s won everywhere he has been.
I'm telling you look at our defensive staff. It's like we had no options but to take guys nobody wanted and promote 1yr of experience assistant position coaches (that's called support staff) to position coaches. On paper and in practice it's one of the worst staffs I've ever seen Schiano assemble. They're unqualified and have no experience running their specific position as the head man. Promoting is Ok, but almost an entire staff?
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I have said the same thing over the last 4-5 years. The worst part is that not only is it an unqualified staff. It’s that we bid against ourselves for each and every one of them. Very few if any would be a candidate for a lateral move at any major d1 staff outside of Flats. Yet here we are giving them advanced titles, increase in pay and extended contracts.
Possibly but he’s a retread. Was he a candidate for a coaching position anywhere prior to bringing him back.
I would still like to know what Schiano did to you to make you hate the man so much! If you are anything more than a troll you will tell us!
And yet they spent $13 million in NIL to build that roster, so obviously those HS rankings meant jack shít.
Shelby doesn’t hate the man. Shelby hates the coach because at this point it’s clear beyond any doubt he can’t win in this conference. His Big10 moribund winning percentage is roughly 25% and dropping every week. Case closed. If not for Wagner and HBCUs the team wouldn’t ever have been bowl eligible. Just wait until he cancels the BC game next year. Keep Choppin the dead wood Grifter Greg bc that’s all you’re choppin.
Every year the incompetent leech remains in the job is one less year Shelby and all of us have hope of getting to a significant bowl game. We’ve seen his ceiling and it’s unacceptably low.
Composite rankings include transfer rankings as well as high school rankings. Some players ranked higher out of high school than they did as transfers. And some ranked higher as transfers.
And the $13M spent on Indiana roster is just a guess according to the attached article below. They are “estimates” provided by 17 “stakeholders”. Not debating there was money spent via NIL. I am skeptical of any of the numbers tossed around. And the 13M roster just took it to the roster some are estimating cost 2.5-3x that.
Surprising List Of Biggest NIL Spenders In College Football
It's a well known assumption from college football fans that the Oregon Ducks are in the upper echelon of name, image, and likeness (NIL) investment. Through Ni
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Who do you think Rutgers should pursue as the next head coach? I understand all of the schianos criticism, I just don't know who people think the next head coach should be?
The coaching at Indiana IS a big part of their climb...so was the influx of cash...My gut tells me that not all cash gets reported as NIL at most schools still anyway. There are still bag men everywhere. I compare it to bookies and legal gambling...Everyone now thinks the numbers they see reported are the true numbers, but online gambling has not put many bookies out of business. It has actually increased illegal gambling as there are now 10x the number of degenerate gamblers.
And to do a comparison of HS ratings at schools, we get it but with the portal- it changes everything. There is a much better chance that picking up a 2-3 star that has had 3 years to develop at a lower division is so much less of a gamble than a kid straight out of HS.
The trick is- coaching to your team strengths. I also think GS 2.0 really needs to evaluate his entire staff. And it is no longer $$$ holding back getting good coaches. And enough of retreads. Even with KC - he may have out offense putting up numbers like we haven't seen since 2008 but even with a QB on pace for 3500 yds, 2 1000 yd WR and another on pace for 700, a 1000 yd RB that may score 18-20 TD's - if play call has been very suspect.
Defense- this year is a fireable year. I can blame it on Smith but we also know who really coaches the D...and this is 2 straight years of this. We are also seeing players regress instead of get better. And ST's - this fair catch **** is just stupid in all ways. We also can't tackle on ST's and forget about kicking.
So yeah- maybe we can spend money like Indiana and bring in a bunch of players but man, I do not know if our current staff would be able to do what Indiana has done with them.
And to do a comparison of HS ratings at schools, we get it but with the portal- it changes everything. There is a much better chance that picking up a 2-3 star that has had 3 years to develop at a lower division is so much less of a gamble than a kid straight out of HS.
The trick is- coaching to your team strengths. I also think GS 2.0 really needs to evaluate his entire staff. And it is no longer $$$ holding back getting good coaches. And enough of retreads. Even with KC - he may have out offense putting up numbers like we haven't seen since 2008 but even with a QB on pace for 3500 yds, 2 1000 yd WR and another on pace for 700, a 1000 yd RB that may score 18-20 TD's - if play call has been very suspect.
Defense- this year is a fireable year. I can blame it on Smith but we also know who really coaches the D...and this is 2 straight years of this. We are also seeing players regress instead of get better. And ST's - this fair catch **** is just stupid in all ways. We also can't tackle on ST's and forget about kicking.
So yeah- maybe we can spend money like Indiana and bring in a bunch of players but man, I do not know if our current staff would be able to do what Indiana has done with them.
Indiana looks like they’re going to make playoffs two years in a row. That’s absolutely insane to think about considering where they were , they were firmly behind even us !!
The 3 seasons before Cignetti they went 2-10, 4-8, 3-9 !! Including 0-3 vs Rutgers in that span.
it’s so rare that hires like that happen but wow it just goes to show the gap between the top 1% of coaches vs even the good ones
The 3 seasons before Cignetti they went 2-10, 4-8, 3-9 !! Including 0-3 vs Rutgers in that span.
it’s so rare that hires like that happen but wow it just goes to show the gap between the top 1% of coaches vs even the good ones
I guess cignetti has a brother that coached at Rutgers because for a while I was thinking "man the schianos coaching tree is actually pretty good" then I realized it wasn't the same cignetti, maybe bring his brother back in the fold lol
Last year the JMIU kids followed him and there were no highly paid transfers . The boosters were not paying and they still went to the college playoff.
You could give Schiano Bezzos and Musk as boosters and he still would not beat Oregon .
Cig's a good coach, obviously, but to suggest that Indiana is not spending NIL in amounts far in excess of Rutgers is ludicrous. It's well documented that it was a condition precedent before he was even hired at Indiana. Not only good coaching but that team has talent -- you saw on the field with the naked eye, and. fast too.
This willful ignorance regarding NIL will get you nowhere. Schiano & Co. maybe/probably underperformed, he made more sense pre-NIL, but that's not the only issues with the Rutgers program.
This willful ignorance regarding NIL will get you nowhere. Schiano & Co. maybe/probably underperformed, he made more sense pre-NIL, but that's not the only issues with the Rutgers program.
It is mostly coaching. Watching the Final Drive on BTN, where they interviewed their QB, and Roman Hemby who transferred from Maryland, and HC Cig.
Two things stood out. Players emphasized positive mindset of the team and from Cig. After Mendoza threw a pick 6, he came back to throw a TD pass. Cig post game said he tells his players to not be affected by success or failure over the course of the game. Cig went over to him while he was warming up after the pick 6 and asked Mendoza if he was having fun. Mendoza said yes, and went out and had more fun and threw a TD pass.
On Hemby, have to think he got a big bag from Indiana, and on some level feel bad for Maryland and if they would have won the last 2 close games if Hemby (a Baltimore kid) stayed with his home team. From Grok:
"Reports indicate that Roman Hemby received a high six-figure NIL deal with Indiana. This comes from discussions around his transfer from Maryland in December 2024, where sources mentioned a deal in the $600,000–$999,999 range. No exact figure has been publicly confirmed, and sites like On3 list his NIL value as undisclosed."
I don’t know about best team in the country but they're up there. People were thinking OSU/Miami/Oregon were in a tier above and IU just went to Oregon and laid it on them.
From the article:
"It’s about being resilient with an indomitable will that can't be defeated," Cignetti said.
It wasn’t just that Indiana traveled across the country to win this thing (see, James Franklin, it really does happen), it’s the way the Hoosiers did it. They stood straight and traded blows with the defending Big Ten champions, the team that hadn’t lost in the regular season since 2023.
The Hoosiers absorbed a pick-six when they had complete control of the game. They survived numerous pre-snap penalties brought about from the raucous crowd, and converted critical third downs.
And they got defensive stops over and over when they needed it most. Oregon's four offensive drives in the fourth quarter: punt, interception, interception, end of game.
Indiana has made this happen with a staff that has figured out the transfer portal better than any other. It’s not just who you collect from the grab bin/money pit of the sport, it’s how they fit and develop within your program.
Like Mendoza, lost with California in the ACC, now playing like the No. 1 pick in the 2026 NFL draft. Officials were allowing tight coverage, and his ball placement and velocity was nearly perfect.
Or Fisher, virtually unknown at James Madison, now the most impactful linebacker in the Big Ten. He and the rest of the IU front seven constantly harassed Oregon quarterback Dante Moore, sacked him six times and all but eliminated the Ducks’ run game.
Or tailback Roman Hemby, a talented runner lost on some truly average Maryland teams, giving Cignetti the one thing it lacked in 2024: a bruising, dynamic runner who can move the pile and get tough yards — and break tackles in space and wreck a game plan.
Quote on the pick 6.
“That’s resilience right there. That’s like being the rubber ball, right? If you’re not resilient, you don’t want to be like the crystal chandelier when you drop it. It breaks in a million pieces. You want to be like a rubber ball right back in your hand. That’s what he did after he threw the interception on third and two,” Cignetti said.
From the article:
"It’s about being resilient with an indomitable will that can't be defeated," Cignetti said.
It wasn’t just that Indiana traveled across the country to win this thing (see, James Franklin, it really does happen), it’s the way the Hoosiers did it. They stood straight and traded blows with the defending Big Ten champions, the team that hadn’t lost in the regular season since 2023.
The Hoosiers absorbed a pick-six when they had complete control of the game. They survived numerous pre-snap penalties brought about from the raucous crowd, and converted critical third downs.
And they got defensive stops over and over when they needed it most. Oregon's four offensive drives in the fourth quarter: punt, interception, interception, end of game.
Indiana has made this happen with a staff that has figured out the transfer portal better than any other. It’s not just who you collect from the grab bin/money pit of the sport, it’s how they fit and develop within your program.
Like Mendoza, lost with California in the ACC, now playing like the No. 1 pick in the 2026 NFL draft. Officials were allowing tight coverage, and his ball placement and velocity was nearly perfect.
Or Fisher, virtually unknown at James Madison, now the most impactful linebacker in the Big Ten. He and the rest of the IU front seven constantly harassed Oregon quarterback Dante Moore, sacked him six times and all but eliminated the Ducks’ run game.
Or tailback Roman Hemby, a talented runner lost on some truly average Maryland teams, giving Cignetti the one thing it lacked in 2024: a bruising, dynamic runner who can move the pile and get tough yards — and break tackles in space and wreck a game plan.
Quote on the pick 6.
“That’s resilience right there. That’s like being the rubber ball, right? If you’re not resilient, you don’t want to be like the crystal chandelier when you drop it. It breaks in a million pieces. You want to be like a rubber ball right back in your hand. That’s what he did after he threw the interception on third and two,” Cignetti said.
Everything is just guessing even now post revenue sharing. Whether it's 247, on3, AI or whatever...no one knows for sure how much each school is spending until there's transparency like coaching contracts. Hopefully, some day there will be. Only thing we know are approximately where the cap is...how close to the cap everyone is getting, who knows. Some will be right up at it and others spending more than they ever have but maybe not at the cap.Composite rankings include transfer rankings as well as high school rankings. Some players ranked higher out of high school than they did as transfers. And some ranked higher as transfers.
And the $13M spent on Indiana roster is just a guess according to the attached article below. They are “estimates” provided by 17 “stakeholders”. Not debating there was money spent via NIL. I am skeptical of any of the numbers tossed around. And the 13M roster just took it to the roster some are estimating cost 2.5-3x that.
Surprising List Of Biggest NIL Spenders In College Football
It's a well known assumption from college football fans that the Oregon Ducks are in the upper echelon of name, image, and likeness (NIL) investment. Through Ni
The one thing I've said and agree with is there is a lot more NIL out there for all schools this year because of revenue sharing. Pre revenue share and post revenue share worlds are apples and oranges but one commonality that still exists is opaqueness.
3rd party NIL still can be misleading as well despite having to be "legitimate",,,,,like that Baylor/Auburn neutral site game with the "POTENTIAL" to be worth 5 million in NIL.
I don’t think anyone is saying that Indiana hasn’t spent on NIL. But in this case. Specifically the game against Oregon, it is a small piece of the puzzle. Coaching and roster management have been phenomenal. As I said earlier Cignetti took one of the worst performing major d1 schools from 38% winning percentage rob war 90%. That is way more than paying for talent.
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Probably a good thing that IU and OSU don't play this year in reg season....looking like that could be the B1G conf championship game matchup and possibly as no 1 vs. no 2.
I wonder if anyone will come looking at his staff. They're kind of under the radar despite the success, CIgnetti gets the headlines but I don't hear much about their coordinators.
UCLA hired Tino Sunseri their qb coach from last year to bring the IU offense over but it didn't work. Foster and Sunseri were let go. In comes Jerry N and the offense improves a lot.
Would Haines or Shanahan get any looks this offseason or will Sunseri's flop kind of hamper that.
UCLA hired Tino Sunseri their qb coach from last year to bring the IU offense over but it didn't work. Foster and Sunseri were let go. In comes Jerry N and the offense improves a lot.
Would Haines or Shanahan get any looks this offseason or will Sunseri's flop kind of hamper that.