OT: Indiana roster

Jerseylegends

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It’s not my job to know, and I don’t. It’s the AD’s job to hire a promising candidate.

Just like with any hire, athletics, corporate, government, whatever, some work out and some don’t. That’s fine.

If the next coach proves to be worse than even he is, Shelby won’t regret the firing of Grifter Greg because at least there was new hope. Now there is none. We already know we’ll have 5 more years of losing. That’s why Shelby hates the coach.

Once it’s recognized the hire is failing, it’s time cut your losses and try again. That’s where we are. His conference winning percentage is 27% and sure to be below that after 6 more games. It’s astonishing he’s still here, thanks to the puppy dog prior AD who gave out raises and extensions like cheap Halloween candy.
Why not fire schiano and bring in James Franklin..he probably doesn't need much money with his buy out. He couldn't win the big games at psu but maybe he can get Rutgers to a perennial top 25 level. Then fire him and bring in someone that can win a national championship.
 
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They went to the college football national semifinals. That is the final four just a few months ago. Tough crowd.

At Rutgers that gets the stadium renamed after you…or at least a freakin statue…
 

Shelby65

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Why not fire schiano and bring in James Franklin..he probably doesn't need much money with his buy out. He couldn't win the big games at psu but maybe he can get Rutgers to a perennial top 25 level. Then fire him and bring in someone that can win a national championship.
Because Rutgers aims low and is satisfied with Grifter Greg and because coaches aren’t allowed to take jobs for under market value to maximize the amount the prior school would still owe. No can do.
 

Knight Shift

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I did and it has us at 53. 19 spots ahead of Indiana. Even before the season that’s hilarious. Again, that composite is completely flawed. And I didn’t say Indiana has a better roster than Oregon, but for whatever reason you seem to think because a recruiting service says Indiana has the 72nd talented roster, it must be true.

Indiana has the luxury of bringing in O linemen from OSU and ND, a Heisman trophy contending QB, and one of the best rb’s in the B1G last year. So I don’t know what the rest of the roster is composed of, but whatever 247 is pushing is pretty flawed
A little overstated. One of 10 OL on 2 deep is from Ohio State and one from ND. Big deal. The QB was not a Heisman trophy contending candidate when he was at Cal. One of the best RBs in the B1G- Henby was 19th in rushing last year. Please.
 

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Is it honestly being argued that Indiana used a bottomless pit of NIL cash to acquire a blue chip all star team that is laying waste to the B1G? I'm curious. How many of Indiana's players were 4 or 5 stars coming out of high school? How many were the best players in a major conference? Their success has nothing to do with coaching?
 

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Is it honestly being argued that Indiana used a bottomless pit of NIL cash to acquire a blue chip all star team that is laying waste to the B1G? I'm curious. How many of Indiana's players were 4 or 5 stars coming out of high school? How many were the best players in a major conference?
That data is posted above. But people are denying it’s true.
 

biazza38

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A little overstated. One of 10 OL on 2 deep is from Ohio State and one from ND. Big deal. The QB was not a Heisman trophy contending candidate when he was at Cal. One of the best RBs in the B1G- Henby was 19th in rushing last year. Please.
The only thing hyperbolic was Hemby.
Otherwise, point still stands. Anyone arguing against Indy’s NIL/portal capabilities is not dealing in reality
 

Knight Shift

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The only thing hyperbolic was Hemby.
Otherwise, point still stands. Anyone arguing against Indy’s NIL/portal capabilities is not dealing in reality
You made it sound like the starters on OL were all from Notre Dame and Ohio State, when only 1 is from Ohio State. The Notre Dame OL is on the 2 deep but not the starter. The other 8 on the 2 deep are not from Notre Dame or Ohio State.
 

biazza38

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You made it sound like the starters on OL were all from Notre Dame and Ohio State, when only 1 is from Ohio State. The Notre Dame OL is on the 2 deep but not the starter. The other 8 on the 2 deep are not from Notre Dame or Ohio State.
This is the exact sentence I used
“Indiana has the luxury of bringing in O linemen from OSU and ND.” There’s nothing sneaky about that. I’m not trying to make it seem like they’re bringing in 8 guys from those schools.
The whole point is that they have the luxury of patching holes with players from a different player pool than most.

It’s okay to admit Cig is a great coach and has a top NIL pool to pull players. Not sure what the problem is.
 

Jerseylegends

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This is the exact sentence I used
“Indiana has the luxury of bringing in O linemen from OSU and ND.” There’s nothing sneaky about that. I’m not trying to make it seem like they’re bringing in 8 guys from those schools.
The whole point is that they have the luxury of patching holes with players from a different player pool than most.

It’s okay to admit Cig is a great coach and has a top NIL pool to pull players. Not sure what the problem is.
Dt Sheffield and Campbell at rb are pretty good transfers man...Rutgers offensive talent is up there, Couple of NFL guys maybe 4 or 5..
 

biazza38

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Dt Sheffield and Campbell at rb are pretty good transfers man...Rutgers offensive talent is up there, Couple of NFL guys maybe 4 or 5..
They are. No doubt
However, two of our biggest weaknesses are playmakers on defense and o line. Remind me again who we lost in the portal. Oh that’s right, Toure. Only our best defensive player. And, our o line has gotten pushed around. Another area where we can’t afford game changers in the portal.

It’s a totally different ball game. No one said we can’t get guys. Indiana’s warchest is much bigger. I’m not sure if you’re trying to deny that or not, but it matters
 

Jerseylegends

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They are. No doubt
However, two of our biggest weaknesses are playmakers on defense and o line. Remind me again who we lost in the portal. Oh that’s right, Toure. Only our best defensive player. And, our o line has gotten pushed around. Another area where we can’t afford game changers in the portal.

It’s a totally different ball game. No one said we can’t get guys. Indiana’s warchest is much bigger. I’m not sure if you’re trying to deny that or not, but it matters
I think they misjudged the defensive talent they brought in and what was already on the roster. As well as the offensive line talent. Maybe all of the injuries hurt more than we know but Rutgers has been bringing in some pretty good transfers. There is more talent out there than people seem to understand it's how you scheme them up that makes them look better or worse..
 

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Can't think of the name of the de but he was supposed to be pretty good..couple of dts they brought were supposed to be good, I think they are injured though, can miller has been the best looking player in defense imo..jett elad was supposed to be good..kaj sanders may have regressed but he was supposed to be good. Djbome is a stud etc...they have some talent let's not act like they don't..
 

Jerseylegends

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They are. No doubt
However, two of our biggest weaknesses are playmakers on defense and o line. Remind me again who we lost in the portal. Oh that’s right, Toure. Only our best defensive player. And, our o line has gotten pushed around. Another area where we can’t afford game changers in the portal.

It’s a totally different ball game. No one said we can’t get guys. Indiana’s warchest is much bigger. I’m not sure if you’re trying to deny that or not, but it matters
And the oline hasn't been terrible, the offense is performing well, all things considered. I really don't understand how schiano is putting a defense like this out there, I would have thought with this type of offense schiano would win because he would make sure the defense didn't give up 30 points a game..lol
 
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biazza38

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And the oline hasn't been terrible, the offense is performing well, all things considered. I really don't understand how schiano is putting a defense like this out there, I would have thought with this type of offense schiano would win because he would make sure the defense didn't give up 30 points a game..lol
It’s not terrible, agree. But it could block better. I’m just saying it’s a luxury to actually be able to bring in B1G quality o line. As for the defense, I think it’s a lot of things. It’s the perfect storm of guys graduating, losing your best defensive player, interior play not getting a push.
We have a lot of guys on defense who have either not played together before or have played together for a short period of time. Unfortunately, thats where portal is hit or miss. Individually we grabbed some good players. But right now they’re not playing as a unit. I also think losing 5-7 guys a year hurts.
We have no playmakers on defense. The best way to get playmakers is you either develop them, which it’s difficult to do when guys want to leave and not spend 4 years on a team. Or, you grab them in the portal. Which is also challenging. These aren’t excuses btw. Just what I think is going on
 
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It’s not terrible, agree. But it could block better. I’m just saying it’s a luxury to actually be able to bring in B1G quality o line. As for the defense, I think it’s a lot of things. It’s the perfect storm of guys graduating, losing your best defensive player, interior play not getting a push.
We have a lot of guys on defense who have either not played together before or have played together for a short period of time. Unfortunately, thats where portal is hit or miss. Individually we grabbed some good players. But right now they’re not playing as a unit. I also think losing 5-7 guys a year hurts.
We have no playmakers on defense. The best way to get playmakers is you either develop them, which it’s difficult to do when guys want to leave and not spend 4 years on a team. Or, you grab them in the portal. Which is also challenging. These aren’t excuses btw. Just what I think is going on
Hmmm what could help with helping the o line to block better? Evaluating talent to fill graduating players? Interior play getting push? Helping player play as a unit? What could that be. Oh. Coaching.
This is the worst staff ( specifically defensive staff) that Greg has assembled. Schemes, game plans and adjustments have been horrible. It also doesn’t help with injuries and the way the roster is designed. But this can’t be blamed on lack of NIL only.
 

biazza38

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Hmmm what could help with helping the o line to block better? Evaluating talent to fill graduating players? Interior play getting push? Helping player play as a unit? What could that be. Oh. Coaching.
This is the worst staff ( specifically defensive staff) that Greg has assembled. Schemes, game plans and adjustments have been horrible. It also doesn’t help with injuries and the way the roster is designed. But this can’t be blamed on lack of NIL only.
So you really think losing your best defensive player can’t be blamed on NIL? Got it.
and yeah our O line would be better if we were dealing with the same NIL pool Indiana has.

btw, my whole initial point has to do with INDIANA’S NIL situation. Everything that you are saying is irrelevant to that. Go back and look at the first post you responded to. I have no idea what it has to do with Schiano.
 

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So you really think losing your best defensive player can’t be blamed on NIL? Got it.
and yeah our O line would be better if we were dealing with the same NIL pool Indiana has.

btw, my whole initial point has to do with INDIANA’S NIL situation. Everything that you are saying is irrelevant to that. Go back and look at the post you responded to. I have no idea what it has to do with Schiano.
Do you really think Toure was the best player. Kid didn’t see the field in year. It was unknown if he was going to recover much less be able to perform. And hasnt. been an every down contributor at Miami. Actually he was a liability in many of their games.
Yea and so was mine and you made it about RU. So I responded. So your second paragraph is about Indiana. “We”?
 
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biazza38

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Do you really think Toure was the best player. Kid didn’t see the field in year. It was unknown if he was going to recover much less be able to perform. And hasnt. been an every down contributor at Miami. Actually he was a liability in many of their games.
Yea and so was mine and you made it about RU. So I responded. So your second paragraph is about Indiana. “We”?
Jersey legends made it about RU. I was responding to him because he actually seemed interested as to what was going on.
Thought you were him for a second.
You clearly only seem interested in bashing the staff. Not a convo I’m interested in having. Team hasn’t played well. I know that.
 

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The HC/Staff are responsible for results on the field— period. The HC hires the staff, the HC and staff evaluate, recruit, develop and coach the players. If the players aren’t good enough, it’s on the coaching staff. If the players are confused and make mistakes, it’s the responsibility of the HC/staff to get it corrected. If the players continue to make mistakes despite coaching efforts to fix it, they recruited and signed the wrong players.
 

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Why not fire schiano and bring in James Franklin..he probably doesn't need much money with his buy out. He couldn't win the big games at psu but maybe he can get Rutgers to a perennial top 25 level. Then fire him and bring in someone that can win a national championship.
Rutgers isn't on JF radar.
 

RUTGERS95

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The HC/Staff are responsible for results on the field— period. The HC hires the staff, the HC and staff evaluate, recruit, develop and coach the players. If the players aren’t good enough, it’s on the coaching staff. If the players are confused and make mistakes, it’s the responsibility of the HC/staff to get it corrected. If the players continue to make mistakes despite coaching efforts to fix it, they recruited and signed the wrong players.
pretty simple really
 
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The HC/Staff are responsible for results on the field— period. The HC hires the staff, the HC and staff evaluate, recruit, develop and coach the players. If the players aren’t good enough, it’s on the coaching staff. If the players are confused and make mistakes, it’s the responsibility of the HC/staff to get it corrected. If the players continue to make mistakes despite coaching efforts to fix it, they recruited and signed the wrong players.
In a nutshell. Been saying this for years.
 
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This guy is an analytics nerd and a great follow on X.


Yep his post about Indiana is exactly what I have been saying the last year. Specifically about Cignetti. Cignetti better than anyone else has developed an eye for talent (enabled him to be able to attract talent to a lower level)and convinces them to buy in. Which helps create the schematic advantage. Now that he has nil funds it enables him to find better talent through the portal. It’s like pouring gasoline on a fire. But his success last year was less about NIL and more about talent evaluation and scheme.
 
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Knight Shift

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Yep his post about Indiana is exactly what I have been saying the last year. Specifically about Cignetti. Cignetti better than anyone else has developed an eye for talent (enabled him to be able to attract talent to a lower level)and convinces them to buy in. Which helps create the schematic advantage. Now that he has nil funds it enables him to find better talent through the portal. It’s like pouring gasoline on a fire. But his success last year was less about NIL and more about talent evaluation and scheme.
I also like that he does not harp on/freak out over turnovers/mistakes. As I posted above or elsewhere, after Mendoza threw pick six in the Oregon game, he told him to go out there and have some fun.
 
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So you really think losing your best defensive player can’t be blamed on NIL? Got it.
and yeah our O line would be better if we were dealing with the same NIL pool Indiana has.

btw, my whole initial point has to do with INDIANA’S NIL situation. Everything that you are saying is irrelevant to that. Go back and look at the first post you responded to. I have no idea what it has to do with Schiano.
You’re both wrong. It’s only about Fieldhouses and Indiana doesn’t have Julie Hermann, Craig Littlepage and the Princeton Library still muting Schiano’s blinding brilliance.
 
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kupuna133

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I also like that he does not harp on/freak out over turnovers/mistakes. As I posted above or elsewhere, after Mendoza threw pick six in the Oregon game, he told him to go out there and have some fun.
What all his players say post game. They do not do anything extra that is not designed to win games. From lifting to practice to nutrition to travel. It’s all about winning and having fun. Players play loose.
 
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Jersey legends made it about RU. I was responding to him because he actually seemed interested as to what was going on.
Thought you were him for a second.
You clearly only seem interested in bashing the staff. Not a convo I’m interested in having. Team hasn’t played well. I know that.
The staff needs bashing ! They have been hot garbage and continue to be an embarrassment