Harsh reality about NIL

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening. Is there a database of NIL deals? All we see are the outrageous deals. I tend to focus on RU and right now our NIL collective only focuses on current RU athletes. They do not offer deals to recruits or potential transfers which puts us at a disadvantage. I don't know the specific impact of NIL on transfers but there is impact and it's only negative for RU.

Well if it was happening on such a level it would be out there. It's just these minor deals here and there, not these gigantic deals everyone seems to think are happening all over the place at the mid tier level.

NILs are everywhere but really how substantial are most of them and how much money is flowing to get all these top players from one mid tier to another.

I said this above, schools are what they were by and large. The ones who had the resources before have them now and the ones who don't still don't. I don't think there was this wave of booster money in the mid tier or lower schools that was dammed up all this time and was just waiting to be unleashed by NIL. If it was there all along it would have shown up in other ways before NIL.

It would matter more if there was a bunch of mid tier schools throwing around money like a drunken sailor. But you don't hear those outrageous numbers like you say so without those outrageous numbers how can you expect outrageous movement for the top players.

IMO NIL is just more of the same of what's always existed. The only times I hear about mass exodus from a team might be off coaching controversy and/or firing and looking at it, even that didn't make a huge dent in performance for teams like Tenn and Kansas. They've actually improved from where they were because they found the right guy.

 

[RULoyal]

Well if it was happening on such a level it would be out there. It's just these minor deals here and there, not these gigantic deals everyone seems to think are happening all over the place at the mid tier level.

NILs are everywhere but really how substantial are most of them and how much money is flowing to get all these top players from one mid tier to another.

I said this above, schools are what they war by and large. The ones who had the resources before have them now and the ones who don't still don't. I don't think there was this wave of booster money in the mid tier or lower schools that was dammed up all this time and was just waiting to be unleashed by NIL. If it was there all along it would have shown up in other ways before NIL.

It would matter more if there was a bunch of mid tier schools throwing around money like a drunken sailor. But you don't hear those outrageous numbers like you say so without those outrageous numbers how can you expect outrageous movement for the top players.

IMO NIL is just more of the same of what's always existed. The only times I hear about mass exodus from a team might be off coaching controversy and/or firing and looking at it, even that didn't make a huge dent in performance for teams like Tenn and Kansas. They've actually improved from where they were because they found the right guy.

Sorry but I don't agree. I think things will become even more apparent in the next few years. NIL is just another thing that puts RU at a disadvantage.

 

[LETSGORU91_]

This is often what I read and what I'm talking about. He's entering the portal but it's still hard for him to leave. Some will leave in the middle of the season to save a redshirt. I've seen that with a few SMU players recently. But in both that instance and this one, it's the chance for more playing time that motivated the transfer not big NIL money. It's going to be some of both but playing time is still limited and a big consideration on top of already being acclimated and fitting in at your current location.






Indiana quarterback Jack Tuttle wants to play college football in 2023, and he knows that can't be at Indiana. The redshirt senior, who lost the starting job to Connor Bazelak at the start of the season entered the NCAA transfer portal on Monday morning.

But unlike most other transfers, he's staying at Indiana throughout the 2022 season and still hopes to help the Hoosiers win some football games this year. It's an odd decision, entering the portal now while staying in school, but a lot of the reasoning behind the timing has to do with school schedules and giving himself the best opportunity to find a new home in 2023 without leaving his teammates this year.

"I love my teammates and I'm not going to leave them in the season,'' Tuttle told HoosiersNow.com publisher Tom Brew on Monday morning in an exclusive interview. "I know there are a ton of other people in the NCAA who leave in the middle of the season and I'm not going to do that. Nor will I let this be a distraction or affect how I prepare and lead the team. This just gives me the best chance to play next year and be in the best spot.

"I love my teammates, I really do. I love Bloomington, and I love my school, but that's really it. There's a lot that kind of goes into it. I have one full year left to play the great game of football in college, and maybe in my life. I have been extremely loyal to IU for the past four years, and I'm going to remain loyal to IU through the end of this season. But by being in the portal now, I'm giving myself the time to find the best place for next year and my final season.''

This is the same thing Art did. And he was vilified by some for protecting his best interests

 

[NickRU714]

But will NIL impact where he ends up? Most likely we will never know.

I would imagine it's immaterial to his transfer (like most transfers).

No school is going to offer NIL if they don't think he can start and contribute.
Doubtful he's going to any school where he won't start.

Is he really going to generate a NIL bidding war? After he got beat out at Indiana.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Sorry but I don't agree. I think things will become even more apparent in the next few years. NIL is just another thing that puts RU at a disadvantage.

Ok well we'll have to see.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

This is the same thing Art did. And he was vilified by some for protecting his best interests

I've never had a problem with anyone doing whatever they feel is right for themselves. Coaches do it too. An AD has to figure it out when a coach leaves and a coach has to figure it out if players leave.

 

[NickRU714]

Well if it was happening on such a level it would be out there. It's just these minor deals here and there, not these gigantic deals everyone seems to think are happening all over the place at the mid tier level.

NILs are everywhere but really how substantial are most of them and how much money is flowing to get all these top players from one mid tier to another.

I said this above, schools are what they war by and large. The ones who had the resources before have them now and the ones who don't still don't. I don't think there was this wave of booster money in the mid tier or lower schools that was dammed up all this time and was just waiting to be unleashed by NIL. If it was there all along it would have shown up in other ways before NIL.

It would matter more if there was a bunch of mid tier schools throwing around money like a drunken sailor. But you don't hear those outrageous numbers like you say so without those outrageous numbers how can you expect outrageous movement for the top players.

IMO NIL is just more of the same of what's always existed. The only times I hear about mass exodus from a team might be off coaching controversy and/or firing and looking at it, even that didn't make a huge dent in performance for teams like Tenn and Kansas. They've actually improved from where they were because they found the right guy.

Exactly. Wake me up when Temple starts luring our star players or recruits.

Take away NIL and our star players are still at risk of transferring:
Championships, crazy gameday environments, national TV games, CFP opportunities.

We literally lost a team captain to OSU a couple years ago pre-NIL.

 

[RULoyal]

I would imagine it's immaterial to his transfer (like most transfers).

No school is going to offer NIL if they don't think he can start and contribute.
Doubtful he's going to any school where he won't start.

Is he really going to generate a NIL bidding war? After he got beat out at Indiana.

No one is talking about a bidding war.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

I was not on this site for the BIG Build fund. Being here one week I can now say I’d be willing to bet a large sum of money that the members of these boards donated little to nothing to that fund. I’d be willing to bet that the same type of conversations were held about every excuse in the book to not donate a dime to that fund. That was an important fund raising effort where the school asked alums and fans to donate and I remember there were leas than 400 individual donors. The fanbase is cheap look at Tennessee and what their NIL has done in such a short time. They are beating Alabama and Nick Saban was complaining about NIL at the beginning of the season. The fanbase is cheap but we love giving opinions on a message board.

That doesn't make Rutgers graduates cheap; it makes them unwilling to spend their money on Rutgers. As I said earlier in the thread, I would be shocked if the average Rutgers graduate doesn't spend more money on entertainment in a year than the average Alabama or Ole Miss graduate. They just aren't spending it on Rutgers.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

That doesn't make Rutgers graduates cheap; it makes them unwilling to spend their money on Rutgers. As I said earlier in the thread, I would be shocked if the average Rutgers graduate doesn't spend more money on entertainment in a year than the average Alabama or Ole Miss graduate. They just aren't spending it on Rutgers.

I think you’re wrong. It pains me to see what can happen here IF we were anything like a real fan base. Unfortunately Rutgers die hards means post count on a message board. I gave you a great example what happens when a fan base gets behind a program. Here we trash the players and coaches while behind a keyboard. Do we also do the same to the basketball team in the winter?

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I was not on this site for the BIG Build fund. Being here one week I can now say I’d be willing to bet a large sum of money that the members of these boards donated little to nothing to that fund. I’d be willing to bet that the same type of conversations were held about every excuse in the book to not donate a dime to that fund. That was an important fund raising effort where the school asked alums and fans to donate and I remember there were leas than 400 individual donors. The fanbase is cheap look at Tennessee and what their NIL has done in such a short time. They are beating Alabama and Nick Saban was complaining about NIL at the beginning of the season. The fanbase is cheap but we love giving opinions on a message board.

Geeze.. you used this as one of your, currently, 14 messages. Clearly, you have a well-valued opinion that deserves serious consideration.

Why did you make such a post? What does it matter to you what people donate for what purpose? How should that reflect on their opinion? Do you now have to donate X amount of money towards a specific cause in order to have the right of free speech regarding that cause.. or any other?

You are literally complaining that people who think NIL is a bad thing should donate to NIL in order to express that opinion? Furthermore, you create a strawman assuming that none of the people who are expressing such an opinion donate to anything.

And yet, in 2019, over 40,000 donors donated something to various Rutgers fundraising efforts... so, please, unless you donate $1000 (MORE?) to KOR, as a fine for spreading ******** here, STFU.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Big Ten Build Fund hit its $100 Million goal with over 4000 individual contributions, but what's an order of magnitude when dumping on Rutgers fans, right?

These fans of other schools that come here, assume an identity and snipe.. how sad their lives must be. The ones who use their handles from other schools' rivals sites, ones that clearly identify themselves.. most just trade jibes.. but this kind of underhanded BS... really, how sad is that?

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Geeze.. you used this as one of your, currently, 14 messages. Clearly, you have a well-valued opinion that deserves serious consideration.

Why did you make such a post? What does it matter to you what people donate for what purpose? How should that reflect on their opinion? Do you now have to donate X amount of money towards a specific cause in order to have the right of free speech regarding that cause.. or any other?

You are literally complaining that people who think NIL is a bad thing should donate to NIL in order to express that opinion? Furthermore, you create a strawman assuming that none of the people who are expressing such an opinion donate to anything.

And yet, in 2019, over 40,000 donors donated something to various Rutgers fundraising efforts... so, please, unless you donate $1000 (MORE?) to KOR, as a fine for spreading ******** here, STFU.

Geeze.. you used this as one of your, currently, 14 messages. Clearly, you have a well-valued opinion that deserves serious consideration.

Why did you make such a post? What does it matter to you what people donate for what purpose? How should that reflect on their opinion? Do you now have to donate X amount of money towards a specific cause in order to have the right of free speech regarding that cause.. or any other?

You are literally complaining that people who think NIL is a bad thing should donate to NIL in order to express that opinion? Furthermore, you create a strawman assuming that none of the people who are expressing such an opinion donate to anything.

And yet, in 2019, over 40,000 donors donated something to various Rutgers fundraising efforts... so, please, unless you donate $1000 (MORE?) to KOR, as a fine for spreading ******** here, STFU.

It matters to me as an alum and fan that so many so called die hards really don’t give a you know what about our sport programs. That’s why I gave my opinion mister post counter. You’re wrong there was not 40 thousand individual donors to the BIG Build fund. NJ.COM posted the very small number of participants. I do donate more than 1000 bucks to the school. Why so angry? You should be behind the programs 100000%. Look at Tennessee and what they have done in such a small amount of time with NIL. It’s a fact that our fan base saturday afternoons bash the players and coaches. That’s not being a diehard.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

It matters to me as an alum and fan that so many so called die hards really don’t give a you know what about our sport programs. That’s why I gave my opinion mister post counter. You’re wrong there was not 40 thousand individual donors to the BIG Build fund. NJ.COM posted the very small number of participants. I do donate more than 1000 bucks to the school. Why so angry? You should be behind the programs 100000%. Look at Tennessee and what they have done in such a small amount of time with NIL. It’s a fact that our fan base saturday afternoons bash the players and coaches. That’s not being a diehard.

Why can't you just accept a difference of opinion about NIL? Why must you bash fans.. supposed fellow fans? Maybe someday you will convince people to spend their money on NIL and Rutgers and the team will spend enough to satisfy you... because spending is always the answer. Just spend more than everyone else and you will win enough to satisfy the fans you constantly whine that we do not spend enough to satisfy their "fandom".

 

[Kbee3]

It matters to me as an alum and fan that so many so called die hards really don’t give a you know what about our sport programs. That’s why I gave my opinion mister post counter. You’re wrong there was not 40 thousand individual donors to the BIG Build fund. NJ.COM posted the very small number of participants. I do donate more than 1000 bucks to the school. Why so angry? You should be behind the programs 100000%. Look at Tennessee and what they have done in such a small amount of time with NIL. It’s a fact that our fan base saturday afternoons bash the players and coaches. That’s not being a diehard.

Do you know what Tennessee gets in attendance for a home game ?

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Why can't you just accept a difference of opinion about NIL? Why must you bash fans.. supposed fellow fans? Maybe someday you will convince people to spend their money on NIL and Rutgers and the team will spend enough to satisfy you... because spending is always the answer. Just spend more than everyone else and you will win enough to satisfy the fans you constantly whine that we do not spend enough to satisfy their "fandom".

The fans can do whatever they want. My comments are relative to the discussion that is taking place. The fact is less than 600 individual donors donated to the BIg Build fund. It’s pathetically embarrassing more people pay 10 bucks a month to post weather threads, stock market strategies, etc etc and that’s ok. We got 6 guys on the CE board who post and then answer their own posts and like their own posts lol and some do it all freaking day lol. DIE HARDS is not just post count or bashing players and coaches. You got guys telling each other to go FU$K themselves in threads lol. We all as fans as long as we don’t cross the line can post whatever you want right?

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Do you know what Tennessee gets in attendance for a home game ?

Yes over 100 thousand and I bet they pay more for parking and tickets and have a higher mandatory donation to get into their version of the scarlet lot. They all make about half of the money we make too.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

... We all as king as you don’t cross the line can post whatever you want right?

Huh?

First it was less than 400.. now it's 600.. think I'll wait a week when it will be 6000.. blah blah blah.

What doesn't change is that you display a psychological need to change the discussion from whether NIL is good to one of measuring donation, er, appendages. Compensate much?

 

[knightfan2000]

Maryland has an actual link from their athletics website for NIL opportunities. Is this something RU is considering? It's small change for the most part, but it does open up opportunities for student athletes across all sports and something the casual fan might easily buy into.
https://opendorse.com/maryland-terrapins?sports=Volleyball,Baseball,Basketball

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Huh?

First it was less than 400.. now it's 600.. think I'll wait a week when it will be 6000.. blah blah blah.

What doesn't change is that you display a psychological need to change the discussion from whether NIL is good to one of measuring donation, er, appendages. Compensate much?

Compensate much? You realize this is a message board full of so called fans and alums of Rutgers University. The most die hard of the die hard of fans are here on this board. It was not 400 it was closer to 700 total donors. We want to win games on the field and court. It’s been discussed at great lengths already how NIL is here to stay. We want to win we have to come together and make the sacrifice as low as 10 bucks a month. If you don’t like what I have to say don’t read it. You’re the one insulting but I don’t care we are all strangers who supposedly love Rutgers. The head coach has come out and practically begged for us to step up. Also one spelling mistake of one paragraph and you go after that lol. The rest was the king English but nothing to say about that whatever dude.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Compensate much? You realize this is a message board full of so called fans and alums of Rutgers University. The most die hard of the die hard of fans are here on this board. It was not 400 it was closer to 700 total donors. We want to win games on the field and court. It’s been discussed at great lengths already how NIL is here to stay. We want to win we have to come together and make the sacrifice as low as 10 bucks a month. If you don’t like what I have to say don’t read it. You’re the one insulting but I don’t care we are all strangers who supposedly love Rutgers. The head coach has come out and practically begged for us to step up. Also one spelling mistake of one paragraph and you go after that lol. The rest was the king English but nothing to say about that whatever dude.

400, 600, 700.. you'll throw any number you want out there and never put up a link showing any facts. Why? Don't answer. it doesn't matter. They aimed for $100M and got $100M. Let it go. It has ZERO to do with NIL and whether people like NIL or want to donate to NIL.

Go tell people WHY they should donate to NIL. Convince them. Stop calling them cheap.

yeah.. I said compensating... because it is just as valid as you calling them cheap (which means it is meaningless). I say you have a small.. uh.. personality. So you choose to berate people to make yourself feel bigger.

Really.. what did you mean with "We all as king as you don’t cross the line can post whatever you want right?"

 

[365Poster24Seven]

400, 600, 700.. you'll throw any number you want out there and never put up a link showing any facts. Why? Don't answer. it doesn't matter. They aimed for $100M and got $100M. Let it go. It has ZERO to do with NIL and whether people like NIL or want to donate to NIL.

Go tell people WHY they should donate to NIL. Convince them. Stop calling them cheap.

yeah.. I said compensating... because it is just as valid as you calling them cheap (which means it is meaningless). I say you have a small.. uh.. personality. So you choose to berate people to make yourself feel bigger.

Really.. what did you mean with "We all as king as you don’t cross the line can post whatever you want right?"

You’re boring it was a misspelling. I meant as long as we don’t cross the line and insult other posters we can post whatever we want. The data shows we are a cheap fanbase sorry maybe look in the mirror maybe I guess. You put too much effort into this and you’re not even funny. Politi in his article mentioned how historically bad we are at supporting the program. I guess he is lying to.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

You’re boring it was a misspelling. I meant as long as we don’t cross the line and insult other posters we can post whatever we want. The data shows we are a cheap fanbase sorry maybe look in the mirror maybe I guess. You put too much effort into this and you’re not even funny. Politi in his article mentioned how historically bad we are at supporting the program. I guess he is lying to.

"as long as we don’t cross the line and insult other posters we can post whatever we want"

Thank you.. that's all I asked for.. what you meant to say.

So you just decided to finally post on something because the topic of a cheap fanbase appealed to you. Got ya.

Keep in mind Politti and the SL would write negative stories no matter what. If we donated a lot and spent a lot on NIL the story would be how callous Rutgers fans spend more on football than they do women's sports that win.. or that they are obviously not taxed enough. Politti and the SL/NJ.com people always oppose any state funding of Rutgers sports.. maybe if the state and the state's media sources supported it better then the fans would follow suit.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

"as long as we don’t cross the line and insult other posters we can post whatever we want"

Thank you.. that's all I asked for.. what you meant to say.

So you just decided to finally post on something because the topic of a cheap fanbase appealed to you. Got ya.

Keep in mind Politti and the SL would write negative stories no matter what. If we donated a lot and spent a lot on NIL the story would be how callous Rutgers fans spend more on football than they do women's sports that win.. or that they are obviously not taxed enough. Politti and the SL/NJ.com people always oppose any state funding of Rutgers sports.. maybe if the state and the state's media sources supported it better then the fans would follow suit.

Our fanbase is last in NIL fundraising and last in every form of fundraising. The school’s endowment is last among all BIG schools. It’s not an anomaly we just don’t get it done and we rather bash players and coaches than open up a wallet.

 

[RU4Real]

You’re boring it was a misspelling. I meant as long as we don’t cross the line and insult other posters we can post whatever we want. The data shows we are a cheap fanbase sorry maybe look in the mirror maybe I guess. You put too much effort into this and you’re not even funny. Politi in his article mentioned how historically bad we are at supporting the program. I guess he is lying to.

How much have you given?

How much do you donate annually?

And don't lie. We can actually check.

 

[brgRC90]

I think you’re wrong. It pains me to see what can happen here IF we were anything like a real fan base.

You might want to consider that ONLY in college football and men's basketball is a "real fan" defined by giving lots and lots of money. Buying tickets, watching games, following teams and wearing merchandise--the metrics for a "real fan" in every other sport--don't seem to matter. You also might want to consider that you're asking fans to give millions more to a program that has not shown in the past that it uses the money well, or gives an entertaining product. Yet they're expected to just give and if they don't they're not "real fans."

 

[365Poster24Seven]

How much have you given?

How much do you donate annually?

And don't lie. We can actually check.

If facts of the BS that is thrown by some posters could be fact checked this board would lose many posters. I have quickly found out by reading what some have to say that there are many posters living in a fantasy world and this site is the fantasy. Unfortunately nothing can be checked because everyone posts through a fake name. The numbers don’t lie when it comes to helping our school we come up entirely short. We can actually check lol.

 

[RU4Real]

If facts of the BS that is thrown by some posters could be fact checked this board would lose many posters. I have quickly found out by reading what some have to say that there are many posters living in a fantasy world and this site is the fantasy. Unfortunately nothing can be checked because everyone posts through a fake name. The numbers don’t lie when it comes to helping our school we come up entirely short. We can actually check lol.

So... "nothing", then.

Which is pretty much what I thought.

 

[DJ Spanky]

[in response to 365Poster24Seven] Why must you bash fans.. supposed fellow fans?

That's the key issue here and a big part of what this thread is about.

Case in point:

You realize this is a message board full of so called fans ...

 

[RUBlackout7]

Are people really trying to argue against our fan base being cheap? lol stop

All other teams we so call think we should compete against crush us in terms of donations and don’t spend pages and pages crying about NIL. Just stop.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Another case in point:

Everyone has epic tailgates what else is being bought to the table? No one alienates more “fans” than a moderator that is known as do as I say not as I do. Right?

It seems all you bring to the table is the ability to attack other fans on this board. I'm wondering exactly what other names you've been registered under on this board.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Another case in point:



It seems all you bring to the table is the ability to attack other fans on this board. I'm wondering exactly what other names you've been registered under on this board.

Im attacking no one in defending myself. All the news outlets and even our coaches say the same. The only people who feel attacked are those who fit the narrative of the die hard in theory only. Moderate the board entirely not just individual posters.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Im attacking no one in defending myself. All the news outlets and even our coaches say the same. The only people who feel attacked are those who fit the narrative of the die hard in theory only. Moderate the board entirely not just individual posters.

I've already highlighted where you're attacking the fans who post on this board. And we do moderate individual posters who register under many names to stir up trouble on this board.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

I've already highlighted where you're attacking the fans who post on this board. And we do moderate individual posters who register under many names to stir up trouble on this board.

Whatever I am doing nothing that no one else is doing it’s an important topic of conversation. It is arguably the most important topic in regards to Rutgers sports. You have a problem with it obviously that is too bad. One poster has a problem with it and you decided to moderate me. The fact is if you have a problem with it then it’s a board problem. Moderate the board not just those who have different opinions than you.

 

[DJ Spanky]

You have a problem with it obviously that is too bad.

Our issue, and that is reflected by responses from other posters, is that you are attacking other Rutgers fans in this thread. And you apparently have a reading comprehension problem: I am not "moderating" you, I have been responding to your attacks as a fan and supporter of Rutgers.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Our issue, and that is reflected by responses from other posters, is that you are attacking other Rutgers fans in this thread. And you apparently have a reading comprehension problem: I am not "moderating" you, I have been responding to your attacks as a fan and supporter of Rutgers

One poster sir one has attacked me in his responses to me but you from day one have been against the NIL. Since you are you are moderating me. Why aren’t you on the CE board moderating the 4 guys that attack people all day? Real insults are dealt there daily but you are here and have a problem with me. Again do as I say not as I do right? The rules are no insults. All the data points to us being last in donation in the entire conference in anything and everything. Please leave me alone as again there are many other people breaking your rules and that seems to be ok. 10 pages I. This thread others saying the same as me but I’m the special one. I’ve had a discussion with one guy then you come and have issue with me. Treat everyone the same please.

 

[bori_blanco]

And Just like that: .

 

[knightfan2000]

This is exactly what I referenced earlier that Maryland launched. I think it is a good way for fans to engage with/support their favorite players albeit on a smaller scale.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

And there would still be kids more interested in utilizing that scholarship to get a free ride in college so as to walk away with a college degree.



Wasn't there also a case of a skier who also played college football out in Colorado who had something similar happen to him?

I remember that. The NCAA said he was ineligible because he was compensated for participating in another sport.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I remember that. The NCAA said he was ineligible because he was compensated for participating in another sport.

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