Harsh reality about NIL

[NickRU714]

By the way, I know a lot of us don't like NIL, but the real evil that will destroy college sports are no-sit transfers and the portal.

No sit transfers is driving all the roster turnover.
Not NIL.

Now it does benefit us (see Cam Spencer) but it's still a problem overall.

I would almost guarantee that the Pitt WR doesn't transfer to USC if he has to sit out a year.
1. Does USC use up a roster spot if he is sitting?
2. Does he still get a $1m NIL offer if he isn't playing?
2. He probably wouldnt want to transfer regardless of NIL offer: sit a year and postpone declaring for the draft by a year. Postpone getting an NFL contract which is where the real money is.

 

[mikebal9]

By the way, I know a lot of us don't like NIL, but the real evil that will destroy college sports are no-sit transfers and the portal.

This.

I have to admit some confusion around NIL. Isn't that for kids being able to get endorsement and advertising deals with companies or organizations? And also getting a cut of university sold merchandise? Why are regular fans being ask to pony up money?

This. Exactly this.

 

[Geo_Baker_1]

I have to admit some confusion around NIL. Isn't that for kids being able to get endorsement and advertising deals with companies or organizations? And also getting a cut of university sold merchandise? Why are regular fans being ask to pony up money?

Nil in its purest form is about value. I’m saying purest form so i don’t get attacked lol. Most of the money i made was from super fans who wanted me at their kids birthday party, or come speak at an event, merchandise, or even just cameo’s of quick videos. People found it valuable for their kids to meet me or to talk to me etc… it was successful because I was always super interactive and community minded. Everyone won from the situation. i did do social media posts for businesses as well.

but at the end of the day it’s just what you find valuable. If you as a fan feel like you aren’t getting something good and valuable in return for piling up the money then I agree, don’t pile up the money! Lol

I won’t speak for KOR as I don’t know, but what we are trying to do at Knight Society is create value for everyone. Fans pay for a membership, student athletes get paid from it, fans get really cool stuff in return. Gear, autograph sessions, behind the scenes access, and networking events with other rutgers people. I enjoy being at the head of it because it’s exactly what I was doing last year and now I’m basically teaching current athletes how to do the same thing.

If we can master that as a community, then it doesn’t even feel like a pile of money. It feels like a whole new fan experience. And at rutgers specifically, where let’s be honest, a lot of people don’t want to pile up that money, it makes the succeeding at the goal even more important.

 

[Geo_Baker_1]

No sit transfers is driving all the roster turnover.
Not NIL.

Now it does benefit us (see Cam Spencer) but it's still a problem overall.

I would almost guarantee that the Pitt WR doesn't transfer to USC if he has to sit out a year.
1. Does USC use up a roster spot if he is sitting?
2. Does he still get a $1m NIL offer if he isn't playing?
2. He probably wouldnt want to transfer regardless of NIL offer: sit a year and postpone declaring for the draft by a year. Postpone getting an NFL contract which is where the real money is.

I said this a few times, if they took out the transfer rules wayyyy less people would be worried about a kid leaving for money

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Did you just say the players didn’t help build college athletics into a billion dollar business? LOL WHAT???

Who did then? The coaches, who are paid in the millions and are gone in 4-5 years?

Those players are long gone. Where is their share of these billions if they helped build it?

Were they fairly compensated then? Does teh game owe them money now for services rendered then? What about the relatives of long-dead players?

Today's players are benefitting from the work of all those old players.. right? If you could make billions starting a new youth football league totally unassociated with the college game.. it would happen, right? But it does not happen. Because it is the college game that has the fans.. the value. And if NIL disappeared and every player who insisted on getting NIL money decided to STRIKE and stop playing.. the game would not suffer one bit. The fans would still be there.. the money would still be there.

The past generations of players got the benefits they expected and they did help build it. But the long-term investments were largely done by the institutions. They paid the coaches, built the stadiums, etc. This kind of revenue was not always there.. for any team.. even the big names. The institutions got the money to build the programs and the sport itself from fans... fans who had the choice of supporting college ball or the NFL version or some local pro or semi-pro league.

 

[RUBlackout7]

Those players are long gone. Where is their share of these billions if they helped build it?

Were they fairly compensated then? Does teh game owe them money now for services rendered then? What about the relatives of long-dead players?

Today's players are benefitting from the work of all those old players.. right? If you could make billions starting a new youth football league totally unassociated with the college game.. it would happen, right? But it does not happen. Because it is the college game that has the fans.. the value. And if NIL disappeared and every player who insisted on getting NIL money decided to STRIKE and stop playing.. the game would not suffer one bit. The fans would still be there.. the money would still be there.

The past generations of players got the benefits they expected and they did help build it. But the long-term investments were largely done by the institutions. They paid the coaches, built the stadiums, etc. This kind of revenue was not always there.. for any team.. even the big names. The institutions got the money to build the programs and the sport itself from fans... fans who had the choice of supporting college ball or the NFL version or some local pro or semi-pro league.

You can literally say this about any company. Every place is built on the backs of former employees, wtf are you talking about.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I said this a few times, if they took out the transfer rules wayyyy less people would be worried about a kid leaving for money

Just want to take this opportunity.. as someone who has posted a lot of anti-NIL stuff.. that the "purest form" thing is perfectly fine. Way back in the day, I recall a case of a UNLV basketball;l player.. who was already at UNLV and doing well while they were always NC contenders with Tarkanian... he made himself a tee-shirt business and the NCAA slammed the book on that.

It seemed to me that was the player just making himself a business.. I am not even certain that his athlete status added to his business. I'd have to see an order for 100K shirts or something that never got made to find it some kind of money-washing scheme to avoid NCAA rules... and I'd think that such a thing would open him up to gambling interests and fixing games.

I can see that the practical thing to do is have created and support KOR and other NIL organizations at other schools of interest. But at the same time, one can be against NIL in a general sense and yet, while the rules are as they are, do what one can to help compete.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

I thought it was weird that Jon Newman didn't find his way into this thread, so I just went through his twitter comments over the last two days. Whoo boy, did he set himself on fire, imho. One commenter referred to it as a "heel turn." I had assumed he thought his comments to Politi were off-the-record and was now avoiding the discussion in hopes people would forget about it. Nope; to his credit, he has full-on taken ownership of the quote in the article. At this point, I think it was pretty wise that he didn't enter the conversation in this thread.

 

[RU4Real]

I have to admit some confusion around NIL. Isn't that for kids being able to get endorsement and advertising deals with companies or organizations? And also getting a cut of university sold merchandise? Why are regular fans being ask to pony up money?

Because it went from "we want to be compensated for use of our personal identities" to "pay for play" in the blink of an eye - that eye blink being roughly the same as the amount of time it took people in Tuscaloosa to realize that the rules didn't prohibit dropping a suitcase full of large bills on a prospective recruit.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Because it went from "we want to be compensated for use of our personal identities" to "pay for play" in the blink of an eye - that eye blink being roughly the same as the amount of time it took people in Tuscaloosa to realize that the rules didn't prohibit dropping a suitcase full of large bills on a prospective recruit.

F'ing Tuscaloosa messing up everything! NIL rules need to be tightened up to mitigate "pay for play" but allow players to make money as mentioned above. However, until the no-sit transfer rule is eliminated, college sports will be permanently damaged for many (including RU).

 

[RUBlackout7]

I thought it was weird that Jon Newman didn't find his way into this thread, so I just went through his twitter comments over the last two days. Whoo boy, did he set himself on fire, imho. One commenter referred to it as a "heel turn." I had assumed he thought his comments to Politi were off-the-record and was now avoiding the discussion in hopes people would forget about it. Nope; to his credit, he has full-on taken ownership of the quote in the article. At this point, I think it was pretty wise that he didn't enter the conversation in this thread.

Not really. He’s right, no other school has to put up with the anti-NIL crybabies. PSU laughs at you.

 

[RULoyal]

Not really. He’s right, no other school has to put up with the anti-NIL crybabies. PSU laughs at you.

Not sure anyone here cares what those type of people think.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

F'ing Tuscaloosa messing up everything! NIL rules need to be tightened up to mitigate "pay for play" but allow players to make money as mentioned above. However, until the no-sit transfer rule is eliminated, college sports will be permanently damaged for many (including RU).

To be fair, Nick Saban was outspoken against NIL. It's not Alabama that NIL helps the most, it's the historically-good-but-currently-middling teams with huge donor bases (Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, USC, UCLA, Miami, etc) that NIL will propel back into being powerhouses.

 

[LETSGORU91_]

Coaching salaries have changed, school revenues have changed….but the players??? Nope, still the same scholarships that they also give out to a bunch of nerds for academics.

You want to have reasonable discussions but throw that out?

Talk about harsh realities.....check out the #1 female beneficiary of NIL....to the tune of a million dollars....LSU gymnast Olivia Dunne.

You know the old saying... Sex Sells...she knows this and is making bucks because of it.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

You know the old saying... Sex Sells...she knows this and is making bucks because of it.

Bingo. She's not making a million bucks because of her routine on the uneven bars. She's getting paid because she looks like Miss America.

 

[LETSGORU91_]

What happens if corporations are a couple big donors aside to buy in, and we are constantly competing with the bigger teams in the Big Ten as well as the SEC?

Winning some conference championships, going to rose bowls etc., maybe even going to the playoffs once they expand.

Will everyone hate and NIL then? Will people not root for Rutgers because we are paying players?

Or will they accept except it and realize that we’ve taken advantage of a unique opportunity that we we likely would not have had pre-NIL?

I remember the NFL vividly before free agency and PSL‘s, and had season tickets to the Jets. Did I stop rooting for them once they want the PSL routes and I did not get them?

Did I stop rooting for them once guys were not going to be there for 10 or 15 years like previously to the free agency?

Serious question here not flaming. But it sounds like most of you do not believe that we can succeed which is why you do not like it.

When in retrospect, we were not going to succeed previously under the old rules, so why not take a shot with an NIL where we at least have a fighting chance to be on a semi even playing field as the elites

What was Oklahoma State before T. Boone Pickens donated his money? What was Oregon before Phil night donated his money?

did either of them say the hell with it, these programs have always been mediocre and decide not to do anything?

Or do they take the bull by the horns and decide to be proactive and put their money where their mouth was and donate to make the programs eliteWhat happens if corporations are a couple big donors aside to buy in, and we are constantly competing with the bigger teams in the Big Ten as well as the SEC?

Winning some conference championships, going to rose bowls etc., maybe even going to the playoffs once they expand.

Will everyone hate and NIL then? Will people not root for Rutgers because we are paying players?

Or will they accept except it and realize that we’ve taken advantage of a unique opportunity that we we likely would not have had pre-NIL?

I remember the NFL vividly before free agency and PSL‘s, and had season tickets to the Jets. Did I stop rooting for them once they want the PSL routes and I did not get them?

Did I stop rooting for them once guys were not going to be there for 10 or 15 years like previously to the free agency?

Serious question here not flaming. But it sounds like most of you do not believe that we can succeed which is why you do not like it.

When in retrospect, we were not going to succeed previously under the old rules, so why not take a shot with an NIL where we at least have a fighting chance to be on a semi even playing field as the elites

What was Oklahoma State before T. Boone Pickens donated his money? What was Oregon before Phil night donated his money?

did either of them say the hell with it, these programs have always been mediocre and decide not to do anything?

Or do they take the bull by the horns and decide to be proactive and put their money where their mouth was and donate to make the programs elite?

Here are my answers and pardon my partially inebriated state if I screw a few things up:

What happens if corporations are a couple big donors aside to buy in, and we are constantly competing with the bigger teams in the Big Ten as well as the SEC?

It's kinda good, but I'm sick and tired of money being the answer.
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Winning some conference championships, going to rose bowls etc., maybe even going to the playoffs once they expand.
Kinda cool, but at what cost? Fans have to buy players to win?
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Will everyone hate and NIL then? Will people not root for Rutgers because we are paying players?
The thought sours me, so maybe my deificatio(edit: "dedication" will be tested. And I might deficate!!
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Or will they accept except it and realize that we’ve taken advantage of a unique opportunity that we we likely would not have had pre-NIL?
Some will, some won't.
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I remember the NFL vividly before free agency and PSL‘s, and had season tickets to the Jets. Did I stop rooting for them once they want the PSL routes and I did not get them?
Some fans who owned PSLs sure did. They were all charged a fee, just for the right to have season tickets? That's a fvckin farce. Another money grab for the greedy bastards.
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Did I stop rooting for them once guys were not going to be there for 10 or 15 years like previously to the free agency?
There's a less intense passion for players IMO the shorter they are with the team. And with that, comes a stronger and more intense fan base. Give me Duper and Clayton over Hill. Give me Art Monk over Cutis Samuel. Give me Randall Cunningham vs. Hurts (if Hurts bolted in FA). Point is, FA has resulted in less bonding. And it's mostly due to a money grab.
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Serious question here not flaming. But it sounds like most of you do not believe that we can succeed which is why you do not like it.
I think most people who dont like it think players dont really deserve additional compensation on top of what they already get
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When in retrospect, we were not going to succeed previously under the old rules, so why not take a shot with an NIL where we at least have a fighting chance to be on a semi even playing field as the elites?
So fans need to purchase their team's players?
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What was Oklahoma State before T. Boone Pickens donated his money? What was Oregon before Phil night donated his money?
If you know Daddy Warbucks, please contact him immediately.
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did either of them say the hell with it, these programs have always been mediocre and decide not to do anything?
It doesnt seem so.
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Or do they take the bull by the horns and decide to be proactive and put their money where their mouth was and donate to make the programs eliteWhat happens if corporations are a couple big donors aside to buy in, and we are constantly competing with the bigger teams in the Big Ten as well as the SEC?
We need some really high end donors to compete with the big boys. BUT, money isnt the final answer. Tradition, chance at success, coaching all play a big part.
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Will everyone hate and NIL then? Will people not root for Rutgers because we are paying players?
I bleed Scarlet. NIL will erode my passion, just like Olympic hockey did for me.
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Or will they accept except it and realize that we’ve taken advantage of a unique opportunity that we we likely would not have had pre-NIL?
Everyone has NIL opportunities, yet we are still lagging vs our peers.
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[LETSGORU91_]

Bingo. She's not making a million bucks because of her routine on the uneven bars. She's getting paid because she looks like Miss America.

Seems more about her attributes than her skills.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I have no issue with the portal either and not sitting out. Like I said above it's an opportunity to get players already acclimated to college life, with college ready bodies and who may have at least some slight level of playing time that can potentially contribute right away. Now it's possible to quickly turn over a roster and transform a team on a faster timetable. That's a positive imo.

 

[RUAldo]

Seems more about her attributes than her skills.

Yeah, you can’t even call the checks she’s cashing NIL money. It has nothing to do with gymnastics. Although, honestly, I don’t even think she’s that attractive. But plenty of girls exploit themselves on TikTok and are making $$$.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Here are my answers and pardon my partially inebriated state if I screw a few things up:

What happens if corporations are a couple big donors aside to buy in, and we are constantly competing with the bigger teams in the Big Ten as well as the SEC?

It's kinda good, but I'm sick and tired of money being the answer.
**************
Winning some conference championships, going to rose bowls etc., maybe even going to the playoffs once they expand.
Kinda cool, but at what cost? Fans have to buy players to win?
*************
Will everyone hate and NIL then? Will people not root for Rutgers because we are paying players?
The thought sours me, so maybe my deificatio(edit: "dedication" will be tested. And I might deficate!!
***************
Or will they accept except it and realize that we’ve taken advantage of a unique opportunity that we we likely would not have had pre-NIL?
Some will, some won't.
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I remember the NFL vividly before free agency and PSL‘s, and had season tickets to the Jets. Did I stop rooting for them once they want the PSL routes and I did not get them?
Some fans who owned PSLs sure did. They were all charged a fee, just for the right to have season tickets? That's a fvckin farce. Another money grab for the greedy bastards.
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Did I stop rooting for them once guys were not going to be there for 10 or 15 years like previously to the free agency?
There's a less intense passion for players IMO the shorter they are with the team. And with that, comes a stronger and more intense fan base. Give me Duper and Clayton over Hill. Give me Art Monk over Cutis Samuel. Give me Randall Cunningham vs. Hurts (if Hurts bolted in FA). Point is, FA has resulted in less bonding. And it's mostly due to a money grab.
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Serious question here not flaming. But it sounds like most of you do not believe that we can succeed which is why you do not like it.
I think most people who dont like it think players dont really deserve additional compensation on top of what they already get
**************``**
When in retrospect, we were not going to succeed previously under the old rules, so why not take a shot with an NIL where we at least have a fighting chance to be on a semi even playing field as the elites?
So fans need to purchase their team's players?
****************
What was Oklahoma State before T. Boone Pickens donated his money? What was Oregon before Phil night donated his money?
If you know Daddy Warbucks, please contact him immediately.
****************
did either of them say the hell with it, these programs have always been mediocre and decide not to do anything?
It doesnt seem so.
****************
Or do they take the bull by the horns and decide to be proactive and put their money where their mouth was and donate to make the programs eliteWhat happens if corporations are a couple big donors aside to buy in, and we are constantly competing with the bigger teams in the Big Ten as well as the SEC?
We need some really high end donors to compete with the big boys. BUT, money isnt the final answer. Tradition, chance at success, coaching all play a big part.
******?????
Will everyone hate and NIL then? Will people not root for Rutgers because we are paying players?
I bleed Scarlet. NIL will erode my passion, just like Olympic hockey did for me.
************
Or will they accept except it and realize that we’ve taken advantage of a unique opportunity that we we likely would not have had pre-NIL?
Everyone has NIL opportunities, yet we are still lagging vs our peers.
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Damn I wish I wrote that cohenerntly after a few beers lol !!
Lots of solid points here
I've been neutred by the transfer portal, facilities race, coaches salaries, and winning

The one thing I'll say is winning is addictive. And intoxicating. I don't fault Rutgers for not bending the rules, yet I don't fault the elites for breaking them either

I've always been in favor of winning, even if it meant doing it the elites way, but the PSU/Baylor way obviously crosses the line.

It'll be interesting to see what the future holds

 

[RU4Real]

Bingo. She's not making a million bucks because of her routine on the uneven bars. She's getting paid because she looks like Miss America.

Damn... I can think of all kinds of stuff I'd do to that 20 years ago.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Damn... I can think of all kinds of stuff I'd do to that 20 years ago.

Just donated to the LSU gymnastics NIL fund.
LOL!

 

[hankee18]

Bingo. She's not making a million bucks because of her routine on the uneven bars. She's getting paid because she looks like Miss America.

She looks great, no doubt

But I'll never understand the mindset of pathetic guys throwing money at Instagram girls they'll never touch or date in real life

 

[Geo_Baker_1]

Yeah, you can’t even call the checks she’s cashing NIL money. It has nothing to do with gymnastics. Although, honestly, I don’t even think she’s that attractive. But plenty of girls exploit themselves on TikTok and are making $$$.

That’s exactly what NIL is. She built a name for herself and is making money from it. Something she wouldn’t have been able to do before.

 

[Geo_Baker_1]

She looks great, no doubt

But I'll never understand the mindset of pathetic guys throwing money at Instagram girls they'll never touch or date in real life

Her money is coming from huge brand deals not men on Instagram. She’s a huge influencer. Companies are getting great ROI from her posts for sure

 

[hankee18]

Her money is coming from huge brand deals not men on Instagram. She’s a huge influencer. Companies are getting great ROI from her posts for sure

Oh I get it. I was merely referring to everyday Instagram girls. She's just a better businesswoman than most

 

[Knight Shift]

She looks great, no doubt

But I'll never understand the mindset of pathetic guys throwing money at Instagram girls they'll never touch or date in real life

She looks like she would be a pain in the *** to be around. Plus, think I spotted a mole on her back. Meh.

 

[Kbee3]

Bingo. She's not making a million bucks because of her routine on the uneven bars. She's getting paid because she looks like Miss America.

Obviously you haven't seen her on the uneven bars.

 

[RUBlackout7]

Yeah, you can’t even call the checks she’s cashing NIL money. It has nothing to do with gymnastics. Although, honestly, I don’t even think she’s that attractive. But plenty of girls exploit themselves on TikTok and are making $$$.

Hmmm kinda sounds exactly like Name Image Likeness to me, lmao

 

[T2Kplus20]

Hmmm kinda sounds exactly like Name Image Likeness to me, lmao

+1
This seems like a textbook case on how NIL is supposed to work.

 

[DJ Spanky]

And if NIL disappeared and every player who insisted on getting NIL money decided to STRIKE and stop playing.. the game would not suffer one bit. The fans would still be there.. the money would still be there.

And there would still be kids more interested in utilizing that scholarship to get a free ride in college so as to walk away with a college degree.

Just want to take this opportunity.. as someone who has posted a lot of anti-NIL stuff.. that the "purest form" thing is perfectly fine. Way back in the day, I recall a case of a UNLV basketball;l player.. who was already at UNLV and doing well while they were always NC contenders with Tarkanian... he made himself a tee-shirt business and the NCAA slammed the book on that.

Wasn't there also a case of a skier who also played college football out in Colorado who had something similar happen to him?

 

[DJ Spanky]

PSU laughs at you.

Just as they laughed and turned a blind eye to children being molested by an assistant coach in the locker room showers. Success With Honor!!! And you're naive if you think State Penn and their alum weren't funneling money to recruits before NIL.

 

[DJ Spanky]

You know the old saying... Sex Sells...she knows this and is making bucks because of it.

She also had 5 million social media followers before NIL was available.

 

[DJ Spanky]

The thought sours me, so maybe my deificatio(edit: "dedication" will be tested. And I might deficate!!

Last night you were obviously full of .............................. dedication!

 

[RUAldo]

That’s exactly what NIL is. She built a name for herself and is making money from it. Something she wouldn’t have been able to do before.

Nah, she’s a TikToker that happens to be a gymnast. She could quit gymnastics tomorrow and still make money. My teens knew exactly who she was and it had nothing to do with gymnastics. Just another chick selling sex.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Just as they laughed and turned a blind eye to children being molested by an assistant coach in the locker room showers. Success With Honor!!! And you're naive if you think State Penn and their alum weren't funneling money to recruits before NIL.

Has nothing to do with our lack of backing the team. Everyone has “Epic” tailgating every Saturday the team plays big deal. They show up early party then are in the seats at kickoff and they give a shi5 enough to $$$$ really support the program. The ticket prices State Penn pays and parking is so much more than us.

 

[zappaa]

That’s exactly what NIL is. She built a name for herself and is making money from it. Something she wouldn’t have been able to do before.

Without question that’s NIL.
No what is it if on top of that, she tells her head coach unless someone comes up with 100 thousand for me, I’m going to transfer and do my sport somewhere else?

 

[Geo_Baker_1]

Nah, she’s a TikToker that happens to be a gymnast. She could quit gymnastics tomorrow and still make money. My teens knew exactly who she was and it had nothing to do with gymnastics. Just another chick selling sex.

Again that’s literally NIL. The term “name image and likeness” had to be made up for college athletes when in reality all it means is promotion from an individual. She’s her own person separate from what the ncaa classifies her as which is just a “gymnast.” In the past she would have had to quit gymnastics to profit from her tik tok and brand deals. Now she doesn’t have to. Purest form of NIL has nothing to do with your sport. It has to do with the buzz around your name. Same with how the Ball brothers in the nba do more brand deals than Kawhi Leonard. Kawhi is a better basketball player by every sense but the ball brothers NIL is worth more because of their followings and the name they built.

Michigan basketballs biggest nil winner last year was adrien Nunez who was the last man off the bench and that was because of his tik tok following. Again, that is the definition of NIL

And as i said above, she has multiple brand deals. She doesn’t sell sex she’s done multiple interviews on her strategy as an entrepreneur and content creator.

 

[Geo_Baker_1]

Without question that’s NIL.
No what is it if on top of that, she tells her head coach unless someone comes up with 100 thousand for me, I’m going to transfer and do my sport somewhere else?

That’s not NIL but right now there’s no solution to stop that effectively. There may never be. I think there’s way more what if scenarios than how many times this has actually happened though. And it would make no sense for her to do that she’s making way more than 100k lol

 

[zappaa]

That’s not NIL but right now there’s no solution to stop that effectively. There may never be. I think there’s way more what if scenarios than how many times this has actually happened though. And it would make no sense for her to do that she’s making way more than 100k lol

Gio
On a smaller scale, we have several players on our football team, two on D, one on O for sure who will absolutely receive interest from other programs.
I assume they will hear from those schools NIL collectives and enticed to transfer.
That is not NIL, common place and GS’s greatest fear.