You mean just like the MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, and now the professional, amateur, collegiate athletes in the NCAA? Get paid a salary, then go and compete. It's a model already established by many leagues. But LIV golfers get participation trophies if they do it (well, plus a nice paycheck for winning which isnt exactly a participation trophy)?
OT: Phil Mickelson
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It's not worth the conversation at this point. People have dug in. It's their loss since this tournament was great. Haters gonna hate.
I havent dug in and I have no skin in the game either way. Just pointing out it's the same, economical model that many sports leagues employ. PLUS, they get $$ if they win. That's hardly a participation trophy.
I did the same earlier in this thread and we keep hearing the same lame comments. It’s not worth responding at this point.
Yes it matters. Just like it matters in NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL….this “they’ve already been paid” shtick is getting old.does it matter, they've already been paid.
Even Phil doesn't have to win a thing,LIV already paid him.
Again, you compared it to all other sports except for the one that’s actually relevant here. The PGA tour doesn’t hand out participation trophies. Players that have no shot of winning gets cut and certainly doesn’t get a big check for showing up.
Another $uccessful weekend for Pat Perez. He played pretty well, -7 and tied for 15th.
250K individual prize money + 750K for being on the winning team. Good teammate for DJ.
250K individual prize money + 750K for being on the winning team. Good teammate for DJ.
So your definition of a “participation trophy” seems to be getting paid before an event. Is that right?
So in your opinion the nfl players, nba players, nhl players and mlb players also receive “participation trophies”??
Are you comparing team sports to individual sports? LOL. I forgot LIV golf is a ”team“ game. LMAO
Yes. As per jtung, the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, and LIV are all the same. LOL! What a moron.
no I’m comparing LiV golf to mlb, nfl, nhl and nba.
Will you answer my question? Do you consider mlb, nhl, nba and nfl players playing for “participation trophies”?
Jtung knows he is cornered and will continue to post tangent and irrelevant points. It's his MO.
Are you saying you consider LIV golf as a team sport?
To answer your question, I don’t consider team sports playing for participation trophies. Maybe, MLB.
Teams, individuals etc…all play for a championship. Not sure the difference, but ok
There is no difference. Just an irrelevant post to muddy up his losing talking point.
In a league like the NFL for example, there are still a bunch of competing entities such there is still a clear relationship of better play :=> more money even if it is not direct.
Personally, I like traditional golf and this LIV stuff seems clownish to me. Shortened tournaments, small fields, shotgun starts, etc make it seem like a bunch of guys that want to get paid while playing a weekend scramble down at the club. That's fine, and I might even watch if it gets to a point where it's populated with a lot of the best players, but it's not particularly my thing.
Also, calling it a great leaderboard seems like a huge stretch. Sure, you've got Smith. And Johnson, though he is currently only #22 in the world. Beyond that, the top reads like a B-tier PGA Tour event and the bottom is mainly people I've never heard of. This could improve if they get more players though.
totally understandable if you don’t like the small fields, shotgun starts, 54 holes, etc.
Not very understandable calling it “an exhibition”…”participation trophy”..
I mean giving out money for last place I guess in some sense is a "participation trophy" (though really appearance fee is probably more accurate). I think the other elements, combined with the current weakness of the fields, make it feel more exhibition-like even though I agree it's not really an exhibition.
I don’t get why people don’t understand there is a team component here. Don’t like it, don’t watch but just STFU and enjoy what you like. It’s like the people sh*ting on soccer in those threads.
maybe the majority of golf fans are like you say, but looking at this site (TKR) it seems the golf fans don't care about LIV's backers and actually dislike the PGA
I wouldn’t say most dislike the PGA Tour. Maybe their leadership. I watch all golf tours because I like golf. Seems hypocritical to dislike LIV funding when people watch F1, Premier League and LPGA all supported by Aramco. Most leagues and corporations have investment most people would not like. Just seems the haters have no thoughts of their own and just parrot talking points.
I guess THE PLAYERS is a exhibition, participation trophy event too since every player in the field will win something,
I don’t watch. It’s a msg board. Just sharing my opinion. If you don’t agree, take your own advice
. Just curious, any idea on tickets and online viewership?Sure, but their future earning potential as a football player is directly proportional to how much a team thinks the player will help them win. Whereas Phil Mickelson is getting paid for ??? (name recognition).Do the players on the Detroit Lions still get paid?
I don’t get why you don’t understand this is a discussion board. Don’t like it, don’t post but just shut the **** up and enjoy watching LIV golf.
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The Players has a cut, those that miss the cut didn’t get paid. Maybe you’re thinking of WGC events?
Regardless, this is a weird response to my post because I basically conceded the prize money part. It’s that other elements that make it feel like an exhibition/not “real” golf to me. That’s fine though, I’m not faulting people who like it.
my bad I thought THE PLAYERS was one that rewarded just making field. Masters DOES pay everyone so I guess that’s just an exhibition too…per some of these posters.
Again your point isn’t wrong, just your example. The World Golf Championships tournaments are limited field and do pay everyone.
Just curious. If/when Tiger and whoever else forms PGA events comparable to LIV, will you consider them to be getting participation trophies too? And my comparison is relevant. Pro athletes get paid to show up and play, just like LIV players. Winners at LIV get paid more money, dont they? That ain't no participation stipend.
Yes, that’s what it is. it’s to get the top players more money so they don’t leave. Thank you for making my point.
yes. I’m aware.
But last place gets paid..even if they miss the cut.
So….. He said LIV is a participation trophy exhibition cause everyone gets paid. So in his mind the masters is a participation trophy exhibition as well…I’d assume. No?
Right, he certainly isn't being paid for his current golfing ability.
I was wrong about the Masters. I'm not sure who you're referring to as "he" though. I don't have an issue with everyone getting paid as long as there is a significant enough difference between spots.
I’m referring to Jtung. He posted earlier in the thread that the LIV tournys are exhibitions and they all get participation trophies cause they’re all gonna get paid.
which is why…using his logic, I assume he thinks the masters is an exhibition too?