Wrong! RU basically made the NCAA two straight years playing a cupcake schedule. There is no need to play Seton Hall. none.
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No make up Rock game. SHU skated because RU would have won by 30 in December of last year and the recruiting battles would have never looked back between the two. That’s an advantage SHU protected that you can’t put a price on. We will never get that extra blowout back. They are nuts if we think we give them the home game on top of that. We have the trophy
I call BS on this. We had open dates and SHU clearly dodged RU by scheduling games that filled available dates.
if shoe wants to play RU, we'll see them at the RAC.
they dodged us last year, after getting crushed the year before 68-48
we'll still be better than they are this upcoming season. they can win the off-season, we'll beat them when it matters.
not buying what shoe shill Carino is trying to sell. if this happened the other way around, he would be on RU's case...
they dodged us last year, after getting crushed the year before 68-48
we'll still be better than they are this upcoming season. they can win the off-season, we'll beat them when it matters.
not buying what shoe shill Carino is trying to sell. if this happened the other way around, he would be on RU's case...
Your point is based on a lot of hypotheticals. What’s concrete is RU didn’t play SHU last year and made the tournament, while SHU was left out. They sure could’ve used a game against RU to boost their resume. So throwing out a blanket statement like RU needs this game more than SHU is just plain stupid.
The South Orange Cowards can either come here to the RAC to renew the series or the series can go dormant and we keep the trophy. Get Temple, Georgetown, St. John's, etc., in their place.
This is low level punk stuff that SHU is playing by:
1) ducking us completely last year
2) now threatening the series by demanding we just hand them a home game which is not contractually obligated to be, and they are the ones who knowingly put themselves into this situation
I think its clear SHU is trying to strong arm this. I don't know why they would force RU to call their bluff here and threaten blowing this whole thing up.
I have mixed feelings about how RU should handle it.
1) Its a great rivalry that has produced some really memorable moments
2) I think both schools benefit from the game a ton, but also both schools don't "need" it. Nobody in a major conference "needs" a rivalry game, it just makes each season a heck more interesting
3) I think its great for the state of NJ. The games put a huge spotlight on both schools locally, the arenas are sold out on Saturday afternoons, there's a trophy involved .. all of it makes for great news clippings locally
4) Because of the way SHU is handling it and trying to strong arm us - I almost feel like the natural reaction is to just screw them and let it drop and see which program "suffers" more from the fallout.
1) ducking us completely last year
2) now threatening the series by demanding we just hand them a home game which is not contractually obligated to be, and they are the ones who knowingly put themselves into this situation
I think its clear SHU is trying to strong arm this. I don't know why they would force RU to call their bluff here and threaten blowing this whole thing up.
I have mixed feelings about how RU should handle it.
1) Its a great rivalry that has produced some really memorable moments
2) I think both schools benefit from the game a ton, but also both schools don't "need" it. Nobody in a major conference "needs" a rivalry game, it just makes each season a heck more interesting
3) I think its great for the state of NJ. The games put a huge spotlight on both schools locally, the arenas are sold out on Saturday afternoons, there's a trophy involved .. all of it makes for great news clippings locally
4) Because of the way SHU is handling it and trying to strong arm us - I almost feel like the natural reaction is to just screw them and let it drop and see which program "suffers" more from the fallout.
With the small chance that there is a home and home this season, then if we go back to one game in 2022-23, the game is in Piscataway, not Newark.
Screw them...they are the ones who bailed, not us. Let them play Penn State or Minnesota.
If I never see Seton Hall again, it’ll be too soon. Time to move on
If I never see Seton Hall again, it’ll be too soon. Time to move on
There were plenty of at large bids last season that were seeded below us. Drake, Wichita State, UCLA, Michigan State, Utah State, and Syracuse. Even if the bubble was stronger last year, we were pretty secure with our final resume. We don't need to play SHU.
Good thing I didn't say ru needs it more than shu. I don't care what either side wants. I just want to see the game.
a bridge to RU fans. he's just a mouthpiece for shoe, deflecting what happened last year as if we are being difficult or unreasonable. shoe plays in the BE, they need this game against us far more than the other way around--we have 20 games in the B1G plus ACC challenge. as already pointed out, many local games occurred last year--if game as at RU, RU would have played it in an empty RAC.
their selfish nature continues to shine through and is why they continue to think small at seton hall
This past season SHU really fell apart losing many games they should have won. The BE was much weaker than the BIG 10 and they struggled big time over about their last 10 games or so. They could have used a game with us yet they pulled out after we discussed Dec 6 with them and instead they scheduled a game with Penn State with no fans at PSU and they could get a home game probably with fans this coming season. It just seems they didn't want to play us at all. A win over us might have helped them immensely but they cried all day long about losing revenue instead of just sucking it up. Their fans were already talking making the sweet 16 after they got 3 guys very early in the portal. We shall see. Now they are not even in the projected Top 45 in early preseason projections. Just like 2019-20 their fans still claim they would have easily made the Sweet 16. We blasted them big time and they led the BE by 3 games and lost 4 of their last 7 in league to end in a tie. They got rolled at Creighton 77-60 in the season finale with everything on the line. They were in a complete free fall.
I don't usually add a "me too" opinion, but I will in this case. SHU ducked Rutgers last year. SHU gets more out the game because they have a weaker conference schedule AND they make a lot more money on extra ticket sales in the ROC than the small incremental increase in sales we get at the already packed RAC.
SHU also uses the game as the back drop to major donor effort in a way that RU has done in years.
The contract says play this year at the RAC. I'm fine with that and continuing home/home from there. If that doesn't happen, I would be against continuing the game.
Our conference scheduled is already witheringly tough (as seen B1G worn out performance in the NCAA tourney). We need more cupcake games to examine and develop young talent and transfers. St. Pete's, Monmouth, Rider, Fordham, Hofstra, Manhattan, FDU, Iona ...plenty of teams would give a local interest boost. I'd even prefer St. Johns because it is a larger stage.
By playing the game we give print/interest to SHU with whom we compete for eyeballs and recruits. SHU will be fine without the game, but hits to the gate dollars and news interest will hurt them in the long run.
SHU also uses the game as the back drop to major donor effort in a way that RU has done in years.
The contract says play this year at the RAC. I'm fine with that and continuing home/home from there. If that doesn't happen, I would be against continuing the game.
Our conference scheduled is already witheringly tough (as seen B1G worn out performance in the NCAA tourney). We need more cupcake games to examine and develop young talent and transfers. St. Pete's, Monmouth, Rider, Fordham, Hofstra, Manhattan, FDU, Iona ...plenty of teams would give a local interest boost. I'd even prefer St. Johns because it is a larger stage.
By playing the game we give print/interest to SHU with whom we compete for eyeballs and recruits. SHU will be fine without the game, but hits to the gate dollars and news interest will hurt them in the long run.
So in a nutshell Shu ducked us last Dec when we were rolling, before the injuries and whatever team funk followed, when we probably blow them out by 20+, and wants their home game back this upcoming season. Our conference SOS plus a couple OOC games is strong enough for an NCAA tourney bid without giving up a sold-out home game that can be filled with another quality opponent.
Sorry shu, no soup for you.
Sorry shu, no soup for you.
Which is the point of Carino and the SHU slant to the whole thing.....SHU handled this badly, they have UConn now in their kitchen too, and St John's, while seemingly underachieving for the better part of the last decade, has a real coach and fast paced system in place now.....add the Nova factor and SHU falls to 5th in pecking order in our region without playing RU.
I don't think RU is ahead of Cuse in football the last 20 years because of actual head to head matchups on the field or at the Carrier Dome. It is ahead by a very substantial margin for the next decade because Cuse "used to be" a brand name in both sports in the primary area.....now it's limited to just hoops and Cuse football is not mentioned in a way when it comes to football recruiting battles.....the game has changed to RU, vs PSU, MSU, OSU and Michigan, Maryland etc etc....
If you continue to give SHU air to breathe, they're going to take it and run with it....they NEED this game, this gate, this publicity.
The old timers want to play Princeton for the same "sentimental value".....well, no one thinks of Princeton in terms of basketball and the more you play SHU, the more they stay relevant......close the garage door and move forward as RU and others take the stage in NJ, front and center. It's all about revenue, RU has it, SHU doesn't and needs it. Let their petty, short-sighted decision, becomes costly for them and then do a 2 for 1 in a decade, when we see the grand separation financially and literally in every aspect between the two schools and programs in terms of marketing and everything else in between.
SHU and Princeton are two way different kettles of fish. We should play Princeton every year. It's good for tourney purposes to see different styles of play. It's good for NJ and its good for RU v Princeton history. Hell, it saves the athletic budget some money, still draws a decent crowd and one less plane ride or long bus ride somewhere. I believe it also helps our academic reputation. It's Rutgers v Princeton! And even if God forbid we should ever lose, ranking or not, a Princeton loss is never a bad loss. I firmly believe playing Princeton always helped us when we played fairly well against Georgetown in the Big East.
SHU should be punished for their nonsense last year. PSU away instead of us, ridiculous! Carino's pro SHU spin is awful. Did he write that with a straight face? Never have trusted him after mocking Schiano boosters at the hoops game and day before Schiano was hired. That didn't age well.
Having said that if SHU wants a home and away this year and RU gets home next year for ducking us, I am all in.
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Yep UCLA was a week bubble team. So was MSU. The weak bubble talk should be permanently buried forever.
Sorry Bac!
B1G schedule was too tough. Hurt B1G in Tourney. Pike is right.
See ya at the RAC this year, take-it-or-leave-it shoe
Listen what they did after they got into the tourney has nothing to do with the perception of the bubble before and on selection Sunday. Whether it is perceived as a strong or weak bubble going into the tournament is what dictates whether Rutgers makes it or not when we are right on the cusp.
Well that was the original post I was responding to. I was kind of surprised. Thought you were defending his statement lol.
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**** SHU. I called this happening. And pat hobbs is doing the right thing and everyone knows im not pat hobbs fan.
The SHU game is always my favorite game of the year and nothing else comes close. The atmosphere in 2017 and 2019 was unparalleled in recent memory.
Other than wanting the W I don’t care about any of our Big 10 brethren. Yeah Iowa pisses me off and it was fun beating up on Archie Bunker and Pretty Ricky but those aren’t real rivalries. Iowa and IU will never care about us as a team even if we become a perennial NCAA team. Even PSU and MD seem like just another team in basketball.
Hopefully SHU sorts this out.
Other than wanting the W I don’t care about any of our Big 10 brethren. Yeah Iowa pisses me off and it was fun beating up on Archie Bunker and Pretty Ricky but those aren’t real rivalries. Iowa and IU will never care about us as a team even if we become a perennial NCAA team. Even PSU and MD seem like just another team in basketball.
Hopefully SHU sorts this out.
Serious question.
I know that most inter conference college BB rivalries got played last year. KY v Lou, CIN v Xavier
Is there any other instance of a team choosing not to host a rivalry game and then essentially suggesting that the contract be re-written for their best interest?
I know that most inter conference college BB rivalries got played last year. KY v Lou, CIN v Xavier
Is there any other instance of a team choosing not to host a rivalry game and then essentially suggesting that the contract be re-written for their best interest?
Respectfully disagree about the Baylor game...... RU was hitting on all cylinders early on. Harper much more effective from three point land, and any internal team problems did not seem to exist
I wish that game was played at that point in time. I believe it would have been close till the end..... even with our late season woes we played and should have beaten the three seed and should have won...... and we were better early in the year at the time of the Baylor game
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You have to be at the RAC or the Newark arena to realize that you are wrong with this
This game has as much intensity and fan support as any we play
Yes
IF. SH did not schedule another game on the same date, or other non conference
games , I would accept their excuse not to play due to the virus
All the other games they scheduled showed the Hall was willing to play ball, just not against us
They forfeited their turn
I get it. That said, you are too emotional about this but hopefully Rutgers leadership is not. When you are too emotionally attached to an outcome you make bad decisions. Like letting Seton Hall dictate terms to us.
Either play at the RAC next season or we’ll slap NY on that trophy and set up a series with St John’s. Up to you Seton Hall.
That’s the way I see it too.
They deliberately chose not to play us last year. That’s fine. But don’t then come to the table saying that you want your home game this year instead.
Every college basketball team lost ticket revenue last year. I’m not sympathetic to that argument. I mean, we need to make up for lost revenue this year also.
Screw SHU. They messed this up and we shouldn't cave to them. The draw is bigger to them than us at this point. No money for you.