Schiano talks are off

[rufeelinit]

While he has certainly not covered himself in glory thus far, I wonder how much control Hobbs had over the timing and pace of negotiations with GS. Seems like his donor pool was aligned behind hiring GS at all costs and thus no plan B ever seemed to be formulated. Seems like things broke down at the BOG level where his initial demand met resistance.

So we need to move on. The big question that some have mentioned is how committed are the donors to doing what is right for RU and making a substantial offer to someone other than GS. Hopefully they remain committed but their singular focus on GS up to this point certainly bring this into question.

 

[BOGDANOVICH]

There are more important things in life than a coaching search. Family means everything to me. Many are on the ledge after the announcement. I've lost my twin brother and my wife to cancer and I have been fighting cancer myself for 5 years. None of us ever smoked. This coaching search is not a life & death situation. We all should see what is really important.

Personally I think RU offered Schiano an awful lot. He has always wanted to control everything. He was offered a lot. He has a huge ego. There has to be someone else out there. I am not going to lose sleep over it. Schiano got everything he wanted when he was our coach and our other sports were neglected for years, Now $32 million for 8 years for him and $ 7.5 million for assistants isn't enough. It sounds to me like he really didn't want to return to RU. He just took his toys and went home. Will he ever coach again?

Great post. This Schiano thing is nothing to get depressed about. He comes off like a greedy, egomaniacal individual. And this is only football. It is not a life or death matter. There are many things that are much, much more important. Best of luck in your fight against cancer. I have been there.

 

[wisr01]

Difficult to argue with this.

Did Greg think that he had RU held hostage?

Give me the Campanile family over Greg.

RU needs a long term play with local coaches imo.

From I what I have read and heard...Greg and Rutgers agreed to 8yrs 32 mill and Greg also wanted facility commitments in contract. He backed off separate Football only Hale Center replacement but instead then wanted more for assistants as a compensation. Rutgers did not want to commit to anything beyond 8/32 and original asst pool.

Rutgers gonna always do it the Rutgers way. I have witnessed it for 43 freaking years. FORTY THREE and my best friend RUBigJ has for almost 60. It is the Rutgers way, stupid and cheap...it is how we do things. ALWAYS have ALWAYS will.

 

[Machiavelli23]

We have 40 years plus of evidence from RU doing things in the cheap and making decision to avoid any political heat. So its pretty easy for me to say Rutgers was once again not willing to make the NEEDED commitment and Greg knows full well what is needed to win in the Big 10.

Note the last hire took the job without even seeing the campus

I AGREE!

Rutgers needed to catch up from years.. decades actually, of ineptitude and indifference to making the decisions to develop the program. They failed... this time horribly.

If we were in the AAC then I would’ve been fine. but we are in the FREAKING B1G.

What did Rutgers expect.... to be able to reap the monetary benefits of football and athletics but not put any real commitment into the multiple aspects needed to compete?

Small time thinking

 

[Knight Shift]

Didn’t want to give Greg a football only facility. Greg said, fine, give me more money for assistants... crickets

I may be misreading your posts, and if I am, apologies in advance.

Big 10 Coach Salaries//Records--my take:
14. Tom Allen- $1.9 million //7-4 (4-4) --Waaaay underpaid.
13. Chris Ash/Nunz $2.3 million// 2-9 (0-8)-- Pay commensurate with results Ash got.
12. Mike Locksley $2.5 million// 3-8 (1-7)--Too soon to tell--but pay seems right with experience.
11. PJ Fleck $3.6 million// 10-1 (7-1)--Seems about right.
10. Lovie Smith//6-5 (4-4) $4 million--he is having a good year. If continues, about right?
9. Paul Chryst $4.15 million//9-2 (6-2)--A bit underpaid compared to others
8. Mark Dantonio $4.4 Million///5-6 (3-5)--Maybe his time is up. But pay seems about right for little brother
7. Ryan Day $4.5 million// 11-0 (8-0)--Double that man's salary!!! (joke)
6. Kirk Ferentz $4.8 million/// 8-3 (5-3)--That salary buys a lot of corn in Iowa
5. Scott Frost $5 million// 5-6 (3-5) [roll]Overpaid
4. Pat Fitzgerald $5.14 million// 2-9 (0-8) Bad year, but overpaid by 20-30%
3. Jame Franklin $5.65 million// 9-2 (6-2)--Overpaid
2.Jeff Brohm $6.6 million// 4-7 (3-5)[roll] Don't do this, Rutgers!!!
1. Jim Harbaugh $7.5 million// 9-2 (6-2) If you can waste money, why not. Maybe this year they beat Ohio State?

So, looking at the above, I don't give a hoot about "rankings" of salaries, but a fair salary for Greg would have been about $3-3.5 million, IMO, and that contract could have included very generous performance incentives for achieving certain recruiting rankings, wins and bowl appearances to get him near $4 million.

 

[rufeelinit]

The financial commitment for a football only Hale Center, which to me seemed over the top if getting the field house, has to be a lot larger than increasing the assistant coaching pool. Can't believe that is where the breakdown occurred.

 

[Knightmoves]

From I what I have read and heard...Greg and Rutgers agreed to 8yrs 32 mill and Greg also wanted facility commitments in contract. He backed off separate Football only Hale Center replacement but instead then wanted more for assistants as a compensation. Rutgers did not want to commit to anything beyond 8/32 and original asst pool.

Rutgers gonna always do it the Rutgers way. I have witnessed it for 43 freaking years. FORTY THREE and my best friend RUBigJ has for almost 60. It is the Rutgers way, stupid and cheap...it is how we do things. ALWAYS have ALWAYS will.

We are about the same age in terms of supporting RU FB.

But why can’t another HC team be as successful, or more, than Greg at RU going forward?

I still don’t understand the Only Greg crowd for RU. His resume after 2011 is pretty suspect.

 

[Knight Shift]

They were going to be in place. He couldn't understand that everything else can't suffer for immediate indoor facility.

I sense you have your finger on the pulse of things. I don't want to sound too anti-Greg, but he either had tunnel vision in these negotiation, or just a tremendous sense of entitlement/greed. As to that last part, he was here once, and perhaps felt he was not given the resources he needed to succeed under his terms--and if that's the case, he thought he was well within his rights to ask for as much as possible.

 

[Machiavelli23]

I may be misreading your posts, and if I am, apologies in advance.

Big 10 Coach Salaries//Records--my take:
14. Tom Allen- $1.9 million //7-4 (4-4) --Waaaay underpaid.
13. Chris Ash/Nunz $2.3 million// 2-9 (0-8)-- Pay commensurate with results Ash got.
12. Mike Locksley $2.5 million// 3-8 (1-7)--Too soon to tell--but pay seems right with experience.
11. PJ Fleck $3.6 million// 10-1 (7-1)--Seems about right.
10. Lovie Smith//6-5 (4-4) $4 million--he is having a good year. If continues, about right?
9. Paul Chryst $4.15 million//9-2 (6-2)--A bit underpaid compared to others
8. Mark Dantonio $4.4 Million///5-6 (3-5)--Maybe his time is up. But pay seems about right for little brother
7. Ryan Day $4.5 million// 11-0 (8-0)--Double that man's salary!!! (joke)
6. Kirk Ferentz $4.8 million/// 8-3 (5-3)--That salary buys a lot of corn in Iowa
5. Scott Frost $5 million// 5-6 (3-5) [roll]Overpaid
4. Pat Fitzgerald $5.14 million// 2-9 (0-8) Bad year, but overpaid by 20-30%
3. Jame Franklin $5.65 million// 9-2 (6-2)--Overpaid
2.Jeff Brohm $6.6 million// 4-7 (3-5)[roll] Don't do this, Rutgers!!!
1. Jim Harbaugh $7.5 million// 9-2 (6-2) If you can waste money, why not. Maybe this year they beat Ohio State?

So, looking at the above, I don't give a hoot about "rankings" of salaries, but a fair salary for Greg would have been about $3-3.5 million, IMO, and that contract could have included very generous performance incentives for achieving certain recruiting rankings, wins and bowl appearances to get him near $4 million.

Umm... much more than salary.... Rutgers does not have the facilities to compete against B1G schools... hell even Northwestern has amazing facilities. Greg and anyone that travels to away B1G games knows this

 

[Knight Shift]

Give a camp the HC, keep nunzio as OC, get jh from osu as dc for a huge salary.

Why not Hafley as HC, Anthony DC, and Nunzio as OC?

 

[Knightmoves]

I sense you have your finger on the pulse of things. I don't want to sound too anti-Greg, but he either had tunnel vision in these negotiation, or just a tremendous sense of entitlement/greed. As to that last part, he was here once, and perhaps felt he was not given the resources he needed to succeed under his terms--and if that's the case, he thought he was well within his rights to ask for as much as possible.

I will be happy if it’s over with Greg.

He may have been Edsall 2.0 at UConn for 8 years x 4M per. No thanks.

 

[Knight Shift]

There are more important things in life than a coaching search. Family means everything to me. Many are on the ledge after the announcement. I've lost my twin brother and my wife to cancer and I have been fighting cancer myself for 5 years. None of us ever smoked. This coaching search is not a life & death situation. We all should see what is really important.

Personally I think RU offered Schiano an awful lot. He has always wanted to control everything. He was offered a lot. He has a huge ego. There has to be someone else out there. I am not going to lose sleep over it. Schiano got everything he wanted when he was our coach and our other sports were neglected for years, Now $32 million for 8 years for him and $ 7.5 million for assistants isn't enough. It sounds to me like he really didn't want to return to RU. He just took his toys and went home. Will he ever coach again?

Hope your treatments are going well. Fight the fight. Cancer sucks. I and my two brothers each got different forms of cancer. All three of us beat it (for now). I am lucky. I agree with you--a lot more important things in life than who is the RU football coach. One man or coach is not bigger than Rutgers football.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Feldman seems to corroborate with McMurphy.

 

[Knight Shift]

From I what I have read and heard...Greg and Rutgers agreed to 8yrs 32 mill and Greg also wanted facility commitments in contract. He backed off separate Football only Hale Center replacement but instead then wanted more for assistants as a compensation. Rutgers did not want to commit to anything beyond 8/32 and original asst pool.

Rutgers gonna always do it the Rutgers way. I have witnessed it for 43 freaking years. FORTY THREE and my best friend RUBigJ has for almost 60. It is the Rutgers way, stupid and cheap...it is how we do things. ALWAYS have ALWAYS will.

We obviously don't agree, but 8 years/$32 million was extremely generous. I see this more on Greg than Rutgers. Please explain ow additional years or money was going to make Greg a better coach? Looking at it another way, by asking for more money and a longer term deal, he would have been taking football money away from going towards a new facility.

 

[Machiavelli23]

A lot of smart ones who ultimately don’t work out

Hell, they can say they coached in the NFL

 

[gef21]

Why not Hafley as HC, Anthony DC, and Nunzio as OC?

I would take that too.

 

[Knight Shift]

I would take that too.

Do you think Anthony is ready to step up and be a B1G head football coach?

 

[TheHandOfChaos]

RU reportedly offered $32M over 8 years. Plus replacing the bubble. Plus $7.5M budget for assistants.

Whats so outrageous about that? That's what other teams spend

 

[bac2therac]

We obviously don't agree, but 8 years/$32 million was extremely generous. I see this more on Greg than Rutgers. Please explain ow additional years or money was going to make Greg a better coach? Looking at it another way, by asking for more money and a longer term deal, he would have been taking football money away from going towards a new facility.

Its lower quarter of league

 

[Knight Shift]

Its lower quarter of league

I have a bridge I want to sell you. It's a little dinged up, and it hasn't seen action since 2011.
Jeff Brohm and Scott Frost say hello.

 

[Spare130_rivals]

I didn't know you are a Greg hater, or whatever you are supposed to be called.

We have some explaining to do lol. But seriously, sad day for the program.

 

[gef21]

Whats so outrageous about that? That's what other teams spend

Timeline for the bubble and what the replacement was going to be.

 

[rucoe89]

he should know what he can offer before it gets here. He didn’t do his homework. Amateur hour.

can you tell me what your insiders are saying happens next? That way I know exactly what isn’t happening.

Maybe this will change your mind:
https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/...be-rutgers-head-coach-deal-falls-through.html

"The initial sticking point between Rutgers and Schiano was his desire for a written guarantee the university would construct a fieldhouse to replace the practice bubble and serve as a new indoor facility, as well as replace the Hale Center with a new football-only building. Rutgers has long planned to build a fieldhouse but was not willing to guarantee Schiano’s demand for new program headquarters. Schiano then requested a longer contract and a larger salary pool for assistant coaches and support staff to offset the facilities compromise. The two sides were then unable to reach an agreement on those terms that would receive a majority approval vote from the Rutgers Board of Governors prior to the deal falling through."

So, how was Hobbs supposed to anticipate asks that were above an beyond what Les Miles go. Many sources said they offered Greg $32 million, 8 year deal. And he asked for even more when he did not get a new Hale Center. That's on Hobbs?

Nope, but that is the narrative some on this board want. Onto the next candidate.

 

[RUDead]

Time for the search to really begin!

 

[RU4Real]

@RU4Real

Yeah...

Ya know, this really did play out pretty much as I expected.

Greg is ego-driven. Most coaches are, but his seems to be more than a tad disproportional. He doesn't seem to have a rational sense of self-worth. Most people have always understood this, I think.

So this precise plot arc is just about what you'd write, if you were writing it. We offered him an oversized comp package and it wasn't enough.

We move on.

 

[RUReady76]

We obviously don't agree, but 8 years/$32 million was extremely generous. I see this more on Greg than Rutgers. Please explain ow additional years or money was going to make Greg a better coach? Looking at it another way, by asking for more money and a longer term deal, he would have been taking football money away from going towards a new facility.

Let's get a HC with a resume of successfully building football programs, is a known recruiter, and has some prior relationship to Rutgers and the east coast. They are out there!

 

[jsol_05]

I didn't know you are a Greg hater, or whatever you are supposed to be called.

A Never Greger, the man was offered 4 mil a year, can’t blame this on Hobbs