BLUE LOT DRINKING TICKET

jreinsdorf

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Good call, but I’m sure that you remember Bluto’s famous lament — “7 years of college down the drain”.

So, I’ll do the math and figure that Bluto was 24 or 25 years old. Pretty sure he was old enough to have a cold frosty with Mom Blutarsky at the Faber tailgate.

Now, if my avatar was Flounder or Pinto, you’d have a point.
But it was Blutarsky who told Flounder to start drinking heavily. Nice try though
 

78CollegeAve

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78...i guess all was perfect for you at the DKE house as an undergrad. We also had parties on college ave where we all know there was much underage drinking and we also got warnings etc. Here we have a person in a controlled environment with parents and some overzealous bozo issues a ticket as opposed to a stern warning and as noted 2/3 other officers did not and perhaps were even embarassed. Look we all know the difference between right and wrong and various drinking laws. Let's kudt say this.....evrrutime hi ou may have neen stopped for sime type of traffic or other violation did you respond ok I am wrong as nd give me a summons etc or did you try to downplay the incident to not receiving a summons. Isn't that general human nature.

Now in this case if there eas some abnormal discussion by both the parents and officer then we do have a problem as nd so far we know nothing about this. Did the officer drink from the cup etc. Hopefully if the parents were cool and responsive I think most will hope this blows up in court and is dismissed as a bad incident.
Sorry, sir, but that dog don’t hunt.

When I was a student, the drinking age was 18. And you can’t compare the awareness of underage drinking and drunk driving in 2017 with the mid-1970s.

Sorry, but you’ve heard only one side of this drama, so I don’t think any law enforcement officer should be called an “overzealous bozo” for doing his job. Just sayin’ ...
 

MozRU

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The county looking to raise money any which way, so they ticket. So they are picking off mild mannered folk who are supporting the local college team.

Nice job by the authorities to turn the population against themselves, while, PSU and the rest B1G make sure people come and go hard.

It's one thing to shut down the frat parties that took over the Blue Lot at one point and ruined the experience for the regular folk, it's another to harrass good folk.

Nice job Mr Author-a-taa
 

Plum Street

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The problem is that RU has to hire someone for security, and the county police are the logical ones to do it. And even if we had someone else do it, the county police would still be able to come in and follow their policies.

They are not the logical choice. They are security in the courts and prisoner transport and have absolutely no interaction with the public on a daily basis. Then they get released on a football tailgate. What can possibly go wrong?
 

CERU00

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Campus and college town cops across the country turn a blind eye to 18-20 year olds drinking. Not on every campus but probably most. As long as things don't get out of hand. Sorry if that offends you.
Does that somehow make it right? Thats a slippery slope. Start a crusade against the law if you like but i dont believe people are justified in their indignance.
 

IL Lusciato

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Something tells me that this group was not acting peaceably and low-key before this ticket was issued etc.
 

IL Lusciato

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They are not the logical choice. They are security in the courts and prisoner transport and have absolutely no interaction with the public on a daily basis. Then they get released on a football tailgate. What can possibly go wrong?

Security in courts is people interaction. And in many counties the sheriffs also patrol and etc. .
 

willisneverrana43

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Yeah, sucks that this happened. But they weren't in their dining room. They were on a college campus giving an underage kid a drink. Try to tell a cop that's no big deal when they are called to a HS party at your house.

Anyway, it sucks. But if you do that you know there's some risk.
 
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Scarlet4ever

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Turn the water off in the bathrooms, Close the concession stands, Patrol the parking lots like the Gestapo, Put a boring product on the field. What could possibly go wrong?
 
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How about the Judge in Piscataway charging a more reasonable fine? They generally drop the underage drinking fine (if you agree to plead guilty for the peace and good order ticket; which is a BS charge for someone not causing any problem at a family tailgate). I’m guessing this is the case because they don’t have any proof, especially when the student is drinking from a red cup. (They would actually have to see what the student poured into the cup). When asked why such a high fine ($1,000) for peace and good order charge, the court clerk said “the Judge has discretion on the amount of the fine”.

This week the cops were up and down our row in the Blue lot for hours, almost non stop. Maybe the cops need to be stationed on every floor at every RU residence hall, if they are really worried about a 19 year old having a beer. I would guess that there are about 5,000 or more underaged students having drink on any given Saturday on campus.
 
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bitnez

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Here's solution moving forward -- bring some O'Douls to tailgate. Crack a few open and dump them out. As someone mentioned force police to prove its alcohol.
 
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I had a strange encounter leaving. Stayed for a while tailgating in the scarlet lot until traffic thinned. In line to leave police obviously ran my plates. I was driving my wife's car (I was alone). I guess since he didn't see a woman driving pulled me over. Asked for license and registration. Since we have different last names questioned me how I came to be driving this car. When I explained the marriage names commented I needed to get her under my control. I bit my tongue and didn't respond. Unfortunately stop went further as I have a legal Florida license. He made the point that I was driving without a valid license. Not correct as my license expires in 2024. He started questioning me on the why. I gave him a quick overview and politely told him I didn't need discuss my finances on a traffic stop. This really frosted him so we then got into how much I had to drink. I rarely drink (my fellow tailgaters can attest to that) and informed him I had only drank coke zeros. He laughed, said he didn't believe that so I told him to check my cooler. He did and found 2 coke zeros. When we were done he told me he was going to write me a ticket for driving without a license. I politely told him I would fight that ticket in court based on having a valid florida license. At that point he called another cop over who had been standing to the side watching. After they spoke he came back and gave me a verbal warning, and then I moved. 40 minutes wasted. I get it traffic was pretty thin when I left but don't they have better things to do, particularly when his first couple questions are adequately and truthfully answered.
 
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RUScrew85

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As I'm walking my dog this morning, my neighbor ( both kids are RU GRADS ) relays the story of their tailgate yesterday. They were with another neighbor whose daughter is a RU transfer and sophomore. That families relatives from PA were in as well. Sounds like a nice holiday weekend with friends and family and they decide to take in the RU game. Their RU daughter was there with a few college friends. Two blue lot passes and a nice tailgate.....until the Piscataway cops show up. ( edit- MCSD, not Pway ) The RU sophomore has a red cup of beer, standing next to her mother as the officer shows up and ID's her. She's 19. As the mom tells the officer that she is the mother, the cop then tells her she's the problem, drinking with her underage daughter. Actually wrote the girl 2 tickets. Probably a $1000 day in Pway court.

These are casual fans and students. Exactly what RU wants and needs. Anyone think they'll be back? Anyone think they'll pass on the ****** experience at RU? Anyone think they'll have their younger daughter apply? It was a group of 4 Pway cops. The other 3 walked away. When accosted by the angry father they admitted they wanted no part of it, but the one officer does his own thing.

These folks spent hundreds of dollars on tickets/parking etc.....for our losing team. This is why fans don't show up. This is why the students don't go to the games. This is why RU is wasting the opportunity to create new fans. G-D shame.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time...

Many of the Sheriffs in Blue don't enforce the law - I'm in Blue and know a lot of them from over the years. Some however do and the law is the law and the policy is to enforce at RU games.

Not sure a drinking with Mom 19 year old is what RU is trying to recruit student wise so we're safe there.

I wonder if they'd look the other way if a drunk underage fan somehow hurt them? Assault, theft, DWI accident on the way home. Would the Mom drinking with her 19 year old not sue RU for allowing underage drinking? (I think we know the answer to that in NJ). Can't have it both ways. RU is protecting itself.
 

RULoyal

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I had a strange encounter leaving. Stayed for a while tailgating in the scarlet lot until traffic thinned. In line to leave police obviously ran my plates. I was driving my wife's car (I was alone). I guess since he didn't see a woman driving pulled me over. Asked for license and registration. Since we have different last names questioned me how I came to be driving this car. When I explained the marriage names commented I needed to get her under my control. I bit my tongue and didn't respond. Unfortunately stop went further as I have a legal Florida license. He made the point that I was driving without a valid license. Not correct as my license expires in 2024. He started questioning me on the why. I gave him a quick overview and politely told him I didn't need discuss my finances on a traffic stop. This really frosted him so we then got into how much I had to drink. I rarely drink (my fellow tailgaters can attest to that) and informed him I had only drank coke zeros. He laughed, said he didn't believe that so I told him to check my cooler. He did and found 2 coke zeros. When we were done he told me he was going to write me a ticket for driving without a license. I politely told him I would fight that ticket in court based on having a valid florida license. At that point he called another cop over who had been standing to the side watching. After they spoke he came back and gave me a verbal warning, and then I moved. 40 minutes wasted. I get it traffic was pretty thin when I left but don't they have better things to do, particularly when his first couple questions are adequately and truthfully answered.
Actually if you now reside in NJ you have 60 days from the date you moved to get an NJ license or you are in violation.
 

RU62

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78, i guess the guy can't read. If you have a Florida license that expires in 2024 what's his complaint and rationale? Where was the cop from...namely what borough? And then people wonder why some folks find the only way to call attention to abuses by some bad policemen is what we have seen at NFL games and other places. And while I may disagree with this I can see their point and Trump doesn't make it any better because he doesn't understand the main point here. And in your case how can you protest this and what recourse do you have for being what apparently was uncalled for harassment. At least the other officer used good judgement.
 

cicero grimes

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Only cop I saw all day in the Yellow was the one directing traffic at the entrance to the lot. Very light police presence in Yellow all season, from what I could tell.
That was my experience as well this season as compared to other seasons. Seems like the focus has been on Blue.
 

SF88

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It's far from conclusive, but there has been a lot written here about one particular deputy from MCSD. The descriptions are all extremely similar. And in the same lot, I think.

So yeah, I'm making an assumption. There would need to be some photos or badge number-taking.
78...i guess all was perfect for you at the DKE house as an undergrad. We also had parties on college ave where we all know there was much underage drinking and we also got warnings etc. Here we have a person in a controlled environment with parents and some overzealous bozo issues a ticket as opposed to a stern warning and as noted 2/3 other officers did not and perhaps were even embarassed. Look we all know the difference between right and wrong and various drinking laws. Let's kudt say this.....evrrutime hi ou may have neen stopped for sime type of traffic or other violation did you respond ok I am wrong as nd give me a summons etc or did you try to downplay the incident to not receiving a summons. Isn't that general human nature.

Now in this case if there eas some abnormal discussion by both the parents and officer then we do have a problem as nd so far we know nothing about this. Did the officer drink from the cup etc. Hopefully if the parents were cool and responsive I think most will hope this blows up in court and is dismissed as a bad incident.

ask all the students that don't go to games anymore if the tickets blow up in court and are dismissed. Doesn't happen, the kids get $500-$1000 fines. Bottom line, our student attendance sucks. This is a big part of why. This story that I retold is far from unique.
 

SF88

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Sorry, sir, but that dog don’t hunt.

When I was a student, the drinking age was 18. And you can’t compare the awareness of underage drinking and drunk driving in 2017 with the mid-1970s.

Sorry, but you’ve heard only one side of this drama, so I don’t think any law enforcement officer should be called an “overzealous bozo” for doing his job. Just sayin’ ...


I am the teller of this drama. Told to me directly from a mother who was present and confirmed by my other neighbors. She's not even the girls mother and her husband was so annoyed that he found the "officer" and got his name and badge. Strange coincidence that it's the same officer Mrs screw and RC1978 have witnessed doing the same thing. Stranger still that everyone knows his name? Seems like a popular guy. Overzealous bozo is the perfect adjective in this case
 
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SF88

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Something tells me that this group was not acting peaceably and low-key before this ticket was issued etc.


What "tells you" anything about this group??? They are my friends and neighbors. Other than 3/4 college age girls and some pre teen kids, they are all in their 50's. Some are Ru grads, some are RU parents. message me on the side and I will provide photos and videos of the tailgate and you can judge for yourself. 15-20 casual fans that will no longer go to a Rutgers game. Job well done by the MCSD. My realistic guess, about 20-25 thousand, max in the stands. RU needs every fan they can get
 
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IL Lusciato

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They constantly card mild mannered tailgaters in the Blue lot. I see it over and over again every week.

I am in the blue lot every week in a pretty rowdy area. Never had an issue with the cops. So idk. I also don't tailgate with ppl under 21 although we r a younger crowd. So idk.
 

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Don't do the crime if you can't do the time...

Many of the Sheriffs in Blue don't enforce the law - I'm in Blue and know a lot of them from over the years. Some however do and the law is the law and the policy is to enforce at RU games.

Not sure a drinking with Mom 19 year old is what RU is trying to recruit student wise so we're safe there.

I wonder if they'd look the other way if a drunk underage fan somehow hurt them? Assault, theft, DWI accident on the way home. Would the Mom drinking with her 19 year old not sue RU for allowing underage drinking? (I think we know the answer to that in NJ). Can't have it both ways. RU is protecting itself.


Mr Screw, since you used the word "crime", do you think it's reasonable for MCSD and Pway courts to fine a 19 year old girl, standing with her family and holding a cup of beer, to be fined $500-$1000?

NO ONE is saying people should drink and drive. NO ONE is saying we should allow drunk-disorderly-unsafe actions by RU students, or anyone for that matter. Not sure why some people extrapolate the potentiality of DWI etc.

The actions of the MCSD and RU, if they are condoning it, are turning away students and casual fans from the games. Look around during a game....it's working.
 

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Don't do the crime if you can't do the time...

Many of the Sheriffs in Blue don't enforce the law - I'm in Blue and know a lot of them from over the years. Some however do and the law is the law and the policy is to enforce at RU games.

Not sure a drinking with Mom 19 year old is what RU is trying to recruit student wise so we're safe there.

I wonder if they'd look the other way if a drunk underage fan somehow hurt them? Assault, theft, DWI accident on the way home. Would the Mom drinking with her 19 year old not sue RU for allowing underage drinking? (I think we know the answer to that in NJ). Can't have it both ways. RU is protecting itself.
This exactly.
 

RU_DIO

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I don't know about him, but I finally got a speeding ticket last year. And I totally said I deserved it. Because I totally deserved it. But I wasn't going 72 in a 65 either. I was flying.

If a bunch of kids are getting hammered while blasting music from a PA system, stealing food for neighboring tailgates, and peeing all over the place, then yeah, those kids deserve tickets.

If a kid is hanging with mom and dad and sipping a beer? Not so much.

Agree
 

ArminRU

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When will Hobbs get these loser cops out of the Blue and Yellow lots? Who asks them to come in the first place? They are not needed or wanted.
 

ArminRU

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What "tells you" anything about this group??? They are my friends and neighbors. Other than 3/4 college age girls and some pre teen kids, they are all in their 50's. Some are Ru grads, some are RU parents. message me on the side and I will provide photos and videos of the tailgate and you can judge for yourself. 15-20 casual fans that will no longer go to a Rutgers game. Job well done by the MCSD. My realistic guess, about 20-25 thousand, max in the stands. RU needs every fan they can get

Please email this to Hobbs and everyone on his team. Completely unacceptable.
 

mildone_rivals

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ask all the students that don't go to games anymore if the tickets blow up in court and are dismissed. Doesn't happen, the kids get $500-$1000 fines. Bottom line, our student attendance sucks. This is a big part of why. This story that I retold is far from unique.
We know. There have been several such stories recounted on the board in the past couple/few years.
 

Mikemarc

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While I agree with your point, she was breaking the law. The family has to realize this.

If it was a county cop or NB cop, not much RU could do, IMO.
Sure there is. RU can dis-invite the cop in question from working further games. It's not much, but if there's only one or two overzealous jerks patrolling, and RU gets rid of them, RU stands to benefit.

No reason at all for that cop to hassle that family. Law or no law.

Does RU really have the authority to tell the county or New Brunswick cops what to be responsible for? Doubt RU “invites” cops.
 

RUScrew85

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I am the teller of this drama. Told to me directly from a mother who was present and confirmed by my other neighbors. She's not even the girls mother and her husband was so annoyed that he found the "officer" and got his name and badge. Strange coincidence that it's the same officer Mrs screw and RC1978 have witnessed doing the same thing. Stranger still that everyone knows his name? Seems like a popular guy. Overzealous bozo is the perfect adjective in this case

Doing his job enforcing the law as written and enforced as policy isn't being a bozo. However a 19 year old and her mom drinking illegally in public are. What other laws would you like him to overlook and not enforce and for who? You, the drunk kid and her mom aren't special.
 

RUScrew85

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The county looking to raise money any which way, so they ticket. So they are picking off mild mannered folk who are supporting the local college team.

Nice job by the authorities to turn the population against themselves, while, PSU and the rest B1G make sure people come and go hard.

It's one thing to shut down the frat parties that took over the Blue Lot at one point and ruined the experience for the regular folk, it's another to harrass good folk.

Nice job Mr Author-a-taa

Hey man, "the people" elect the folks who put these laws and policies in place. Now they want special treatment. Can't gave it both ways. Seems to me the people got what they voted for. No?
 

mildone_rivals

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Does RU really have the authority to tell the county or New Brunswick cops what to be responsible for? Doubt RU “invites” cops.
My understanding is that it's RU's show and that yes, RU arranges for the police coverage for games. But perhaps my understanding is incorrect.
 

RUScrew85

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Mr Screw, since you used the word "crime", do you think it's reasonable for MCSD and Pway courts to fine a 19 year old girl, standing with her family and holding a cup of beer, to be fined $500-$1000?

NO ONE is saying people should drink and drive. NO ONE is saying we should allow drunk-disorderly-unsafe actions by RU students, or anyone for that matter. Not sure why some people extrapolate the potentiality of DWI etc.

The actions of the MCSD and RU, if they are condoning it, are turning away students and casual fans from the games. Look around during a game....it's working.

The crappy team is pushing away casual - heck - and some non-casual fans. Not enforcing the law.

Allowing under age drinking when it's against the law is not something any large entity can allow because of how litigious our society has become. Plus NJ folks vote for the folks who create these laws and policies.

If the police or sheriff's looked the other way and someone got hurt, the school, the county, the city and probably the state could be on the hook. If the policy was to not enforce that makes the folks making that decision liable and they won't risk their jobs either on that kind of issue. Their hands are tied. The fines are set by your representatives. The LAST guy to insult and complain about is the guy doing his job. If you want to allow underage drinking have a cookout in your back yard and watch the game on TV - oh and don't be too loud because if someone calls the police you're back to square one.

That's life in modern times...
 
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RUScrew85

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“Doing his job” lmao

You’re probably just like this cop, aka worthless

Yeah man - I'm lining up Jews for the concentration camp tomorrow morning. Just following orders - that's me.

And I'm going to guess you'd be the first guy to sue the University if a drunk 19 year old hit you with a car after the game.

Hey one quick question, someone beats you up walking your dog or steals your car, what do you do?

Maybe call the cops... the "Useless" cops. LOL. Keep up the good fight Mr. BLM.