China is working hard to improve their status and improve the lives of their people. Many other countries just expect things to be done for them and putting no effort into improving their situation. They steal technology and manufacturing capabilities, so what? That's exactly what they should be doing. That's exactly what we did in the 1800's was copy technologies and manufacturing methods from Europe to become the country we are today. Hundreds of thousands of Chinese students are pursuing STEM careers abroad and are going to be among the leaders advancing technological progress in society. I think that's a great thing , but I think there should also be better policies in place to help domestic students pursue a stem career and education too. There's no reason to hate China for trying to improve their situation. Even with all their differences, there's plenty of room for them to join us and other advanced nations in becoming an advanced nation themselves. As far as diseases, they do have a far higher population density than we do, so it's not surprising many diseases seem to originate from there.
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That's entirely our own doing, not really China's fault. We screwed ourselves with free trade policies when it was really protectionist policies that gave us a leg up on other countries. The simple solution to a military conflict with China is not getting involved in one. They should be our allies, not our enemies. China is a sleeping dragon, it would be completely stupid to make enemies out of them.
No, there's a huge difference in reverse engineering and stealing blueprints and methodology.
The soviets tried reverse engineering,it helped them, but they were always behind.
Innovation is created from people,not stolen plans.
Like I said, the CDC offered to help early on on this, they were shut out. Why? Answer that, then see if you said about the Chinese fits.
Apparently you've never opened up a history book. Corporate espionage ran rampant all throughout the 19th century which setup the U.S. to be in a position to be a leader in the 20th century. Entire factory designs were exact replicas of those in Europe. Every industrialized country has copied one another to be where they are. The first world is trying to price out the third world through trade secrets, patents, etc. It's really no surprise that third world countries would just steal these trade secrets instead.
You dont replicate things measured in nanometers. You dont replicate things so small quantum physics change.
These processes are stolen, no reverse engineering,none at all.But a factory machine,replicate it.
But a silicon chip, use it or throw it away, there is no replication of it.
Why didn't China admit the cdc?
Still no answer. They'd likely have learned little from doing so, and couldn't steal anything of value from the cdc being there.
And, to address your upgrading of the people thing, they still didn't let
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CDC. Think how what you said earlier goes into that.
It doesn't,they would have been further down the road to answers if they had accepted the cdcs help.
And stealing is stealing
If you dont have the means to produce a 14 nanometer silicon chip, youre missiles,radar etc etc wont be as quick nor as effective, yet, your computers and phones only operate 10-30% slower and take more energy and put out more heat.
Stealing that process is the only way for them, there is no other way.
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Back to the topic. Now China is reporting over 4000 cases and 126 deaths. One U.S. analyst given the information he has from his sources in China, says that the numbers are likely 10 times the amount reported. He says that it is much worse than what the government is admitting to. Even given that, he doesn't expect it to have a major impact on the U.S. There was one Chinese health official in the first few days of the public reports who called the outbreak, "a disaster of epic proportions". The next 3-4 weeks are going to be very interesting. The cases in China officially reported are at least doubling every day. The U.S. I think NIH reported today that they are working quickly on a vaccine.
Yet they cant stop a flu epidemic.
Someone has to create and build those robots, you have to have the tech hardware built for them,the roobots that assemble the robots have to be built, the supplies that make them have to come out of the ground etc etc etc etc etc etc.
I think we have to hope there are many more mild cases. If the sick are hospitalized are only 10% of the infected, and only 2-3% of the sick die, and a majority of those are old then we have a mild virus that will probably become endemic. It doesn't seem they mutate particularly easily and this might burn through the population like a bad cold and then be gone once there is enough immunity. You have to expect cases to explode in Wuhan because people in Wuhan are looking to be sick, at the worst time of year for illness. If anyone comes down with symptoms they are sick and will go in. These could be quite mild, take a day off of work sick, but it is now a case and adds to the "terrifying" tally. As cold as it sounds the number that matters is % mortality and average age of deaths. If the first one is high, and the 2nd one is low then we have a huge problem. At this moment it seems to be a mild virus that hit one of the most densely populated regions of the world at the worst time of year.
Sooner or later will come a virus that culls us by at least 10%.
This is like forecasting an earthquake of 9 or greater.
These events will happen, and no amount of CDC, or early tsunami warning system will help.
This is like forecasting an earthquake of 9 or greater.
These events will happen, and no amount of CDC, or early tsunami warning system will help.
It's always happened.
Let's call it virus change, make some money before the little ones mutate!
Will be very interesting if they can create a vaccine that works this quickly. Way back they were able to cure many diseases. Now it seems with even better technology they can't seem to do anything to cure or even make progress against diseases. Much more money is in keeping people sick and treating them vs curing them.
It shouldn't be that tough. We've been making and marketing inactivated Corona-V vaccines for animals for decades. The question for me is if they can make one that they deem safe enough and manufacture enough of it quickly enough to help if need be. The whole deal seems a little smelly to me. Now apparently China is admitting that seemingly the first documented human with this virus did not in fact go anywhere near those "wet markets". Seemingly nobody knows where this new virulent strain that just happened to start in a city that hosts a biological weapons "research" facility came from. Oddly it's in the same country that SARS started in.
It's called antigenic drift. As far as I can remember though, Corona viruses in animals tend to be pretty stable unlike the Influenza virus in humans. IF they can develop a vaccine it might even give some cross protection for other human Corona viruses. I'm a little surprised that they never that we know of made one for SARS. If I remember correctly SARS kind of died off before they had one ready for public use.
It's only contagious once someone has the symptoms. So not as exponentially dangerous as feared.
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That is not what I have heard stated several times. It is contagious BEFORE any symptoms occur which makes it even more dangerous.
6000 people on a cruise ship quarantined: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/asia/wuhan-coronavirus-update-china-spread-intl-hnk/index.html
Let me tell you the norovirus has been a much larger problem for my household. I'm tired of disinfecting buckets and washing bedding.
I enjoy the irony of people hand-wringing over corona but they haven't had a flu shot. You know influenza kills tens of thousands of people every year right?
I enjoy the irony of people hand-wringing over corona but they haven't had a flu shot. You know influenza kills tens of thousands of people every year right?
Yeah on average 50,000 died from the flu every year. 5%-20% of the population are infected with it every year. People are seriously acting like the world is ending because 7,000 have are sick and 130 have died across the whole world ( 8 billion people)
This shows the power of the media to influence the masses. People fall for it hook, line and sinker.
Most of the people that die are elderly, very young and people with compromised immune systems to begin with.
Nature doesn't care. Do not eff with the program. Although, it is sad
Healthy individuals can stave off the flu or any of these viruses. A healthy immune system is one of the wonders of our world.
I have a friend who is in her early 60s and traveling in Asia right now. Vietnam to be exact. This isn't fake anything to her right now. This is serious crap. When they start quarantining cruise ships with 6000 people on board that should tell the uneducated that government health departments are taking this thing VERY VERY seriously. This isn't just some hoax blown up by the media. In just a few weeks this virus has already infected more people than SARS and the number of infections is doubling every day. IF you're over 60 or if you have a toddler or baby, this is something we don't want to take off in the U.S. We developed a flu shot for a reason. Flu still kills thousands of people in our country some of whom had the vaccination. Right now our government is trying to minimize the risk posed in the media. BUT in the meantime they are working frantically to get a vaccine rolled out.
Good God man did you read what you just posted? Don't eff with the system? So you basically don't give a **** if thousands of babies, people on immunosuppressive drugs for asthma etc, or people over 60 die? Really? That's your take? Hopefully they'll get a vaccine in the pipeline quickly. Imagine a virulent flu outbreak in this country without a flu vaccine. Hopefully you don't have any loved ones who fit the profile of the people you view as expendable. You do realize that flu can and does kill people with healthy immune systems?
This deal hasn't reached the "whole world" yet so comparing statistics to the flu isn't probably a good thing yet. Considering the aggressive flu vaccination programs of most developed countries, I would say that 50,000 is a lot of deaths. Do we really want to wait around and see what the death toll might be from this deal without preparing for a pandemic? Personally, I'm in the epicenter of the population who is at risk from a disease like this and I want a vaccine ASAP to protect myself, my wife, my mother-in-law, my brothers, my sisters, my new GRANDBABY, and most of my friends. ALL of us fit in the demographic most likely to die from this virus. Some of us have more than one predisposing factor. THIS IS NOT A MEDIA HYPE JOB. This virus in just a couple of weeks has already infected more people than SARS in it's entirety and the number of cases is doubling every day. If anything, IMO they've been under-reporting this deal. When countries shut down huge chunk of their economies because of the threat their health departments perceive, there's probably more of a problem than you perceive. When our government is quarantining anybody who may have been exposed the virus, that tells me that the CDC is taking this deal very very seriously.
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LOL, you realize the flu vaccine whiffs more than it helps.? Every year. I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your hyperbolized strawman.
Every winter there's a flu outbreak. Every year way more people survive than die. I'm bumping this thread in a month. Nobody will be talking about this.
Please gather yourself and respond rationally. I don't hope people die. I have two babies myself. Nature culls the population by design. You're retarded if you can't see that.
I am very rational. I have a doctorate in a medical field. My wife is a University med school professor. I have been involved in epidemiological investigations. This MIGHT fizzle out. On the surface though, this thing is spreading EXTREMELY rapidly. The idea that somehow this isn't serious because it only kills babies, old people and people with compromised immune systems is particularly offensive. There's a reason the U.S. is working rapidly to try to get a vaccine to the public. "Nature culls the population by design. You're retarded if you can't see that". Now that's special.
Good question. If this disease scare goes away in a month, never to be heard of again like the 20 that came before it, I wonder if you'd ask the same.
I don't know how nature works. But I do know there's a balance to everything. And that includes life and death.
Yes, I can see how emotionally invested you are in making sure everyone is scared of the corona virus. This will fizzle out. I have a degree in propaganda. You've bit this one hook, line and sinker but because you specialize in a field related to this, you feel the need to act as the board expert.
You only know what you've read and watched on TV. I'll bump this in a month. As soon as the headlines change this virus and all of its scare tactics will disappear like a fart in a skillet and you can get back to your expertise on here of which I enjoy reading about; Nebraska football
So will you vaccinate your babies if this thing spreads in the U.S. or will you let nature decide whether they live or die? Right now our health officials are doing everything they can to try to at the very least slow the spread of the virus in the U.S. Time will tell if they were able to do enough.
Are you omnipotent? Quite the stance you've decided to take. What do you think I meant by "Nature" or better yet, what did you imply?
I will protect my babies. And God forbid they don't die of the flu. Odd question of you to ask of me.
IF this virus disappears, that will be a great day. I am not acting as the board "expert". I find this topic interesting and I do have some skin in the game. If you think it's a waste of time, don't post in the thread. Telling people that this is no big deal shows ignorance on how epidemics happen. THAT is exactly what this is now by definition in China and neighboring countries. Hopefully it doesn't become a pandemic but taking it as casually as you would seem to want to do would cause it to become just that.
You and the other have every right to be afraid. There have been events like this that have come and gone over the years and nothing comes of it. So you can understand mine and others hesitation to believe the world is ending. Yes the US and other countries are taking it seriously, as they should. This is a new strain, they don't know 100% for sure what it will do or how it will act. I would hope they take precautionary measures. Those measures are probably what have stopped major outbreaks in years past.
To address the bolded comment. Pharmacy is a multi billion dollar industry. What better way to dramatically increase revenue than to scare people half to death with doomsday virus, push out a vaccine for it and watch the masses come running waving their dollar bills.
Again everyone has the right to their opinions and to be afraid. As of right now this is nothing more to be afraid of than the common flu. If it becomes more than that I will be the first admitting my wrong and running for the hills.
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You wouldn't even know about it if it wasn't plastered everywhere. I haven't even read one blurb about this that even poses a fear, other than what people far smarter than everyone else act like they know what if could mutate into. The flu every year is far more scary IMO
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