Moody's 3 straight 3 won it. AK designed good plays. Ray had em defensed well. Moody just made great shots with a man in his face
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Moody's 3 straight 3 won it. AK designed good plays. Ray had em defensed well. Moody just made great shots with a man in his face
Indndawg, you're correct!
However, I'm not surprised, I'm amazed at the number of Mississippi State supporters that will continue to stay behind a coach that is clearly not getting the job done and rationalizing losing all at the same time. The number of people/posters that actually think this program should have another season under this leadership, while some also acknowledge that it probably won't be any better next year is astonishing.
Do you realize we are losing over $1 million per year in basketball as each year ticks by with this bottom feeder train wreck? And yes, the program was making money under Rick Stansbury, regardless of your opinion of him.
I would like to know how many of you are actually season ticket holders and have been for the last several years?
Why do you have such low standards for guys like Rick Ray and Sylvester Croom but some of you talk about other programs (outside of Mississippi State) and how they won't tolerate such failures for long? Meanwhile you don't hold our program(s) and/or coaches (university employees) to a similar standard of excellence? And don't tell me it takes four or five years to build a program because that is total BS. A good floor coach and recruiter would have shown reasonable to significant progress in year three (we clearly don't have either).
How many of you would be allowed to hold onto your own jobs with such an abysmal track record?
Some folks need to make up their mind where your loyalty is: Mississippi State or a coach that is an employee of the university! Coaches come and go and there has only been two (big three sports) in my lifetime that could say they were truly one of us.
It's time for a change in basketball leadership NOW, in order to move the standards meter out of the legion of mediocrity.
Let's just call it like it is sports fans. We just got beat by a team that has 3 transfers in their top 6 players. These 3 guys won the game for Ole Miss and it's their first year to play in the SEC. What the hell are we doing? What the hell are we thinking going forward? Time to cut the crap. One more win is all I see. IMO that is not a sign of progress. Another year and more wasted money and time. I did like the jacket. "Tune in next week for another episode of love, peace and soul".
You realize that there isn't 1 top 100 player on either state or om's roster right now. Top 100 players are very good.
A lot of us in this thread may be done, but RR is not. He will be back next year at a minimum. If I had to guess, I would say next year will be his last.
Stricklin obviously doesnt concern himself with how the fans feel about Ray and the current state of our bball program.It's his decision in hiring and firing, and yet he's gonna give Ray another year. And I suppose Scott thinks the fans are just gonna magically show up next season and we'll become this improved tourney team "over night"?Everyone can see the writing on the wall. We won't be any better, 2-3 games better perhaps but we arent making any post season tournaments. Ray should be gone after the last game, but our wonderful AD cleaely enjoys having thousands of empty seats in the hump every home game. I guess he's too busy tweeting and approving any new hideous uniform designs adidas offers us.
Ray can't coach offense. It's that simple. Oh wait I forgot, as long as you play with max effort on defense , the offenae will take care of itself*****
We need size down low. Rebounding and defense.
A team full of 1 & 2 guards and few wing shooters won't cut it.
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Its Amazing how much this forum has changed
back in its early days RR would have had nary a supporter on this board. Now, its just Gene's Page light. Sad
back in its early days RR would have had nary a supporter on this board. Now, its just Gene's Page light. Sad
Nothing ruins a board like differing opinions*
For the record, I very much doubt ray is the answer. He's gonna be back next season though, so I'm trying my best to support him. What does constant bashing of Ray accomplish? Nothing.
Everyone here wants malik, but look at it from Malik's view. Our fanbase doesn't show up for games, constantly bashes ray, and our entire team. We're making ray's job even harder.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but your statements above prove my point. You appear to be more concerned with the coach, than the program. You mention Malik, I remember having a conversation with a former professor who was opposed to getting rid of Croom because we might lose out on signing a certain QB from Meridian. Thank Gawd, we had an athletics director at the time that was looking at the big picture, not just a coach or a high profile recruit. We are miles down the road from the fall of 2008 and we have the opportunity to do the same in basketball. Oh and that QB, while I appreciate his committment to our institution, he unfortunately did not turn out like most had hoped.
BTW, you say constant bashing doesn't accomplish anything....it played a role in getting rid of the winningest basketball coach in school history. It's past time for everyone who actually wants to see Mississippi State Basketball succeed in the SEC and on the National level, to start beating that drum again.
Salty's post nails it.
Of course most folks know this is a sinking ship and might be the worst offensive college basketball team at MSU that I have seen in 50+ years. The amazing part is that is typical of MSU and its fan base. Most of you were not around when Charles Shira was hired by an inept President and AD and proceeded to go 16-45-2 in his career. The fans were in an uproar and a meeting was called in Jackson for top supporters. If you can believe it, Dr. Giles got up in front of that crowd and tried to rubber stamp Shira for another 4 year contract. It would have happened too except for 3 folks who got up and raised hell and basically told the AD and Giles if it happened they would make sure nobody came to another game. Giles caved in and we hired Bob Tyler who showed us how to win. He was railroaded by Ole Miss and the SEC because the big boys were scared to death because he was playing the same game they had played for years. My point is simple, Scott Stricklin is a good person but he knows full well that we will lose money again next year in basketball and should know when Sword and the Juniors on this team graduate next year, that it will be like starting all over again. Miss. State University does not deserve this nor does it's fans. We have one recruiter, George Brooks and he could be retained if he wanted to stay and we might keep the one or two recruits who possibly can help. The bottom part of this league is bad. Auburn is awful, so is Mizzouri, Alabama is not much better, and let's face it, if 6 teams from the SEC get in the dance then there are some ****** teams out of the 65 selected. People lambasted me on this board for defending Stansbury. I am past that because if he had to go, so be it. However, he was run off for not meeting folks expectations. Our expectations now are an NIT bid and we can't even get that and we have let a mediocre program in Oxford start to dominate us. It is sad but I am convinced, we don't have someone like Doc Foglesong to run off the cancer we had as an AD and that worked pretty well. Leadership requires balls and we will see if we have any.
Of course most folks know this is a sinking ship and might be the worst offensive college basketball team at MSU that I have seen in 50+ years. The amazing part is that is typical of MSU and its fan base. Most of you were not around when Charles Shira was hired by an inept President and AD and proceeded to go 16-45-2 in his career. The fans were in an uproar and a meeting was called in Jackson for top supporters. If you can believe it, Dr. Giles got up in front of that crowd and tried to rubber stamp Shira for another 4 year contract. It would have happened too except for 3 folks who got up and raised hell and basically told the AD and Giles if it happened they would make sure nobody came to another game. Giles caved in and we hired Bob Tyler who showed us how to win. He was railroaded by Ole Miss and the SEC because the big boys were scared to death because he was playing the same game they had played for years. My point is simple, Scott Stricklin is a good person but he knows full well that we will lose money again next year in basketball and should know when Sword and the Juniors on this team graduate next year, that it will be like starting all over again. Miss. State University does not deserve this nor does it's fans. We have one recruiter, George Brooks and he could be retained if he wanted to stay and we might keep the one or two recruits who possibly can help. The bottom part of this league is bad. Auburn is awful, so is Mizzouri, Alabama is not much better, and let's face it, if 6 teams from the SEC get in the dance then there are some ****** teams out of the 65 selected. People lambasted me on this board for defending Stansbury. I am past that because if he had to go, so be it. However, he was run off for not meeting folks expectations. Our expectations now are an NIT bid and we can't even get that and we have let a mediocre program in Oxford start to dominate us. It is sad but I am convinced, we don't have someone like Doc Foglesong to run off the cancer we had as an AD and that worked pretty well. Leadership requires balls and we will see if we have any.
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Well, he did set the school season records for Yds and TDs and is near the top in every career category despite injuries and not being Mullen-type QB.
But giving this guy a fair chance is somehow different than rationalizing what happened the last half of the last coach's career here? Amazement goes both ways, I guess.
You don't fire a guy for making a drastic improvement. While still very injured. Is he a year behind where he should be? Sure he is. Doesn't make it a fireable offense at this point in time. Healthy -- we win both of the last 2 games. But your agenda becomes clear later in the post anyway, so I already know you don't want to hear it.
Why do people insist on make-believe hyperbole in attempt to make a point? You lost all semblance of credibility with this BS you just made up.
Year BB Expenses BB Revenue Net
2010 4052623 6914565 2861942
2011 5430979 7002963 1571984
2012 4312955 6744710 2431755
2013 4377759 6571274 2193515
Stansbury's last 2 - Net $4,433,926
Ray's first 2 - Net $4,625,270
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/
First you are talking smack about people not buying tickets(lost revenue). Now you are mad at them for "tolerating" coaches and thus showing up. You are angry about people tolerating his rebuild on the floor -- while you were perfectly happy tolerating NIT runs with sweet 16 talent.
We have shown both -- and if not for injuries would be gearing up for the postseason right now. I get it -- injuries are part of it -- and when you've been injured for 3 years, at some point, that too is on the coach.
Yeah -- everyone here has an agenda to side with Rick Ray over Mississippi State. While you're probably wearing your aTm hat**
Play the #18 team in the country to a 4 point game without your starting point guard(or a point guard period if we're being honest) and without what was likely to be your starting PF for the season -- FIRE EVERYBODY.**
Ray is going to get next year. He deserves next year -- and even the most agenda-driven of you can see just how close he is to winning at a pretty high clip in a much-improved SEC. We've got every chance in the world to go dancing next year. If we don't -- then everyone here will be ready to talk about going another direction.
Another irony -- the pro-Stansbury crowd always doubted our ability to hire a coach. They view the Ray hiring as proving them correct and have boasted about it pretty continuously since the hire was announced. Now, those same people want us to pull the plug on a coach with a drastically improved team in year 3, with alot coming back and alot coming in, in order to restart the same process they belabored from the get-go. So, whose expectations are actually out of whack here? And who is moving the goalposts?
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Here is one thing I don't understand about this situation. Right now we are tied to Rick Ray, there is no escaping that at least for the rest of the season. Hopefully if he gets another year he does something with it. What he does is somewhat up to him, or in his control (recruiting, hiring coaches,etc). What the school has control of is trying to get some fans in the seats to help with the atmosphere. Atmosphere is big with any sport but huge in basketball. It amazes me very little is being done to fill the seats. I have sat in my seats this year and literally less than 500 people in the Hump to cheer this team on. That is a reflection of the product on the floor, but the school can do things to put butts in seats. It just isnt happening.
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Although, I agree with you about the atmosphere role, I think you answered your own question. The product on the floor is the reason the attendance/atmosphere is what it is. Unless you live within the immediate vacinity of Starkville and have nothing else to do, why would you subject yourself to that product on the floor on a consistent basis. The bottom line is very few have any cofidence where this program is headed under this leadership. Until that changes, I don't see much else changing.
What more do you want our marketing guru athletics director to do....he is already giving away cokes, hotdogs and pizza to try get students to come to the game. Of course I'm sure that loss is factored into Engies numbers above, along with the loss of season ticket sales and Bulldog Club contributions dedicated to basketball. With that said, I'm certainly open to any ideas.
This is the situation. I have 4 floor tickets and paid my Bulldog Club dues, and I have not been to one game this year. I just don't want to make the time in my busy schedule to watch this product. Plus, I went to games for the atmosphere and seeing buddies - neither are there now. My kid my use my tickets this week, but that is to go watch Kentucky.
Now to the game yesterday. Didn't watch it, but looked at the stats. Do we really have the staff that can recruit to make us think the future is brighter? The players from our previous staff scored 43 points and had 20 rebounds. The 2 bigs that this staff recruited played 27 minutes and scored 0 points! Couldn't they at least tip a ball in? And, I don't see any bigs being recruited - only guards. And don't tell me Johnny Z or whatever his name is. A SWAC coach told a friend of mine that he wouldn't improve his team.
I fail to see the point here. Who cares if they are transfers if they are good players? You wouldn't take Moody as a transfer?
Do you think ready being out hurt ray's commits' stats?
Johnny zuppardo highlights...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lhFZzEbzGRA
He led his team to a juco national championship. Here's his stats...
15.2 pts
61.7% fg
43.3% 3's
6.9 rebs
Am I predicting all sec? No, but to say he won't help this team is ridiculous.
Johnny zuppardo highlights...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lhFZzEbzGRA
He led his team to a juco national championship. Here's his stats...
15.2 pts
61.7% fg
43.3% 3's
6.9 rebs
Am I predicting all sec? No, but to say he won't help this team is ridiculous.
"Improvement" is NOT the golden measure of whether a coach should stay. Can you see us ever being a top-tier team with Ray here? Well there you go.
Ray deserves another year. If he fails, you guys will all get to throw your party bc he'll be fired. If he gets postseason, you guys will be kicking your dogs at least another year.
I don't even care that much, that's the saddest thing. I used to love going to games. Just trying to bring a different perspective here.
My dogs are safe tonight.
My dogs are safe tonight.
My point is like most others say, it doesn't take as long to re-build a basketball program as it does in football. We've not done that and this is year 3. Sure I would take Moody, but for whatever reason we didn't and we've not recruited players that have made the same contributions as Moody, Smith and Rhett.
OM was Moody's 1 and only scholarship offer. AK did an outstanding job of finding him
msstate7, we understand you clearly. I also agree Scott will not have the balls to rectify the problem and even if he does, no telling who he might hire. However, I watched Johnny Zuppardo play all through high school and at Jones JC too. He was a role player at Jones and they were loaded with talent. He is at best a Div 2 player. We all can see what the Ray recruits have done and that is not much. I am sure your sarcasm about people throwing a party is just that, but what you cant see is when this years Junior talent leaves next year, we will be starting all over again. I guess you will then defend your thoughts. It doesn't matter if we make the NIT with a Senior laden team, we will still not be a .500 team in the SEC. We give the students food and drink just to show up and they are smarter than some of you. My tickets have been given away all year because to drive 4 hours each way is not worth watching an inept offense and a team who can't run an offense without turning it over more times than made field goals. Tell me one time we have scored off an in bounds play? That is coaching ,plain and simple. Quit blaming people for having more sense than you. You and Engie must be in the AD's office because if you think we are better off now in MSU basketball, then you are either blind or mentally challenged. Just stay over at Elite Dawgs and Coach34 will agree with you but lots of folks have way more sense.
Only telling you what a coach said. I hope it is not true - but it was said. He should know more than you, but coaches are not always 100%. Also, yes Ready would have helped, but how many times is Ready going to be hurt? Maybe it is bad luck, but he seems to be fragile. I like Ready, but is he Dee Bost? Not even close.
There you go - someone (like the SWAC coach that I spoke of) that has seen Johnny Z play in person. msstate7 makes his decisions off you-tube videos.
Was zuppardo in the juco all star game and all tourney team based on YouTube highlights?
Greg Marshall of Wichita st offered zuppardo. Now granted Marshall isn't on the level of your "swac coach", but he's a decent coach*
If he did, then Zuppardo is too dumb to play for us and don't ever believe everything you read on message boards. He cannot create his own shot and with this staff, we know how well that works.
43.3% from 3's.
We need that perimeter shooting and rebs. We don't need him to be a dominant post player.
yep -- led a juco team to a national title at over 15ppg, while leading it in minutes among forwards = "juco role player". Yet it's Engie and msstate7 that are pushing the agenda**
Zuppardo signs with Stansbury -- and geezer is here telling us he's the next Lawrence Roberts.
Zuppardo signs with Stansbury -- and geezer is here telling us he's the next Lawrence Roberts.
Nothing to do with Stansbury but Ray aint Jay Ladner either in running an offense. We all know we will see next year so let's see who was right. So far you guys who were adamant we needed change are showing your brilliance. Be careful what you wish for, you got it and now an NIT bid is your ceiling.
Apparently it was our ceiling before ray too. 2 nba 1st rounders, another 5-star receuit, and an nba developmental pg and we not the nit. What would an ncaa tourney required? 3 1st rounders?
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