Yikes, I’m not aware of that. I really don’t know. I was simply stating they seem to share similar views.
Who was the shooter?
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I appreciate you more the last few days. Just thought I’d say that out loud.
Idk any conservatives that talk like that, “hey, fascists!” Or the Bella Ciao thing. That’s a pretty deep cut isn’t it? Again I don’t know. I’m trying to read about it now.
The difference seems to specifically be around Israel. You'll notice Netanyahu had multiple comments after CK was killed. NF group are pretty full throated antisemitic is my understanding.
I prefaced my comment with, could be wrong. I was just making a comment that they seem to have similar views. I don’t spend my time following NF and CK fanboys accounts.
Yes they’re wildly anti-Israel. That’s why I brought it up. Charlie has been very critical of Israel recently. Which was a change in his position as I understand. Please don’t take this as gospel. I have no idea as I don’t follow this stuff religiously.
No. The Groyper Wars started as far back as 2019. Israel is part of the equation, but this thing has been fomenting for a long time before the events of October 7 and its resulting fallout.
Abstract
Since mid-October, Charlie Kirk’s Culture War college tour has been increasingly haunted by the Groyper and nicker Groyper Q&A trolls. These offline trolls use the Q&A-sessions that are part of the Culture War show format to frame Charlie Kirk as a fake, 'anti-white' conservative. A new chapter in the alt-right's cultural war re-emerges in full force.
| Original language | English |
|---|---|
| Journal | Diggit Magazine |
| Publication status | Published - 2019 |
Sure. I’ll retract as I said I would. He does not appear to be trans.
Are you still gonna *get* the dems for calling conservatives nazis when the guy who shot your soi boi hero turns out to be an actual conservative anti-semite who killed said soi boi for his support of Israel?
I think people are looking for answers as to why he was radicalized so it doesn't happen again. What was his motive? This guy was clearly motivated by the anti-facist movement. You don't accidentally engrave that on your shell casings. It also appears as if he may have had help and if so it's important to see who he was hanging out with so that those people can be held accountable and to make sure they don't go on to commit further atrocities.
Yes, the blame game is not nice, but it's important to get to the "why" and "who".
But certainly an anti-fascist. No denying that. It's right there on the shell casing.
And anyone with a brain can link anti-facsist with the left. They have spent years calling the right fascists.
I am fine with that idea, and I always think we should always all step back and level set ourselves. But for an example, if a Clemson fan got upset after last years loss to SC and took it too far and ran over Shane Beamer leaving the stadium (I realize this is not a perfect example, so hoping people engage in the idea not the exact example), I would certainly want to understand what could lead to that like you're saying. Was he drunk, was he being taunted, etc, and I would certainly want to check myself, make sure I'm not taking my fandom too far where it overrides my basic humanity. But I wouldn't then say "man, Clemson fans are entirely too violent, all of them should be rounded up" etc etc etc. All I was saying is that every "team" has people that go over the deep end and do horrible things.
I think people with more knowledge of the online culture he was in have indicated those seem to be pretty related to "meme culture" and the people it seems he was involved with aren't anti-fascist in the more literal sense.
Exactly
A little familiarity with the gun and some sighting in at the range and shoot practice
easy shoot as long as the shooters nerves are steady
I ain’t judging the lack of knowledge. I don’t want any of that world in mine either. Though I’m also not looking specifically for a way I can blame either side.
sadly predictable about-face from everyone's favorite drama queen
also lol I guess Trump's moving through the stages of grief pretty quickly here...
I’ve read (I can only share what I’ve read as I’m not in these circles) that the groypers have called Kirk a liberal in disguise and a fascist.
the other reality is that there are likely an equal number of people who feel the world would be a better place without representatives Omar, pressly tlaib, etc. Are those who are so happy about someone killing Kirk - because they disagree with his views - ok with someone who disagrees with the others killing them also? This is a slippery slope.
kid probably can't define fascist...but that's the word used by Biden, Sanders, AOC and others.....who also likely can't define the word.
Trump dictate something he's a fascist...Biden dictates something, it's good policy.
but wasn't a lot of the so called fascism claimed by the left in reference to Trump/Kirk position on transgenderism?
but isn't at least part of the problem that we have a lot of people - both on the right and the left - who live on the edge mentally. When their leaders call opponents fascists, Nazis, threats to democracy etc, some of those people take it to heart and truly believe that someone else is going to destroy the country and their well being. Then eliminating that threat becomes more reasonable in their minds.
We need to get away from all this name calling and inciteful language...and it's both sides. You want to make a political point make it with facts and have both sides respond. Murdering someone is not an acceptable response and taking comfort in someones death is even less acceptable.
Is it ok to take the life of someone who has views different than yours?
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