When does Cal start feeling some heat?

BourbonBalz

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It’s this way. Cal isn’t going anywhere. Cal isn’t likely to change a damn thing. I wouldn’t call those facts, but rather high probability conjectures. Wisdom to know what you can’t change. Trashing him accomplishes nothing except maybe providing him entertainment. If you trash the program, I’m gonna push back. Just like I do a U6 fan.

Now for a fact. THIS OUR DAMN TEAM!!! This is what we got. You are either with them or against them. Discuss what they need to do to changes their fundamental skill skill. That’s what Cal is doing and apparently succeeding. Support the team or just admit you have given up on them.
And you don’t see it as a problem when he refuses to make any adjustments or changes when what he’s doing is no longer working? Seriously? Some adjustments are what most of us are asking for. Change up the recruiting process a bit. Get some shooters. Stop refusing to recruit extremely skilled players simply because they aren’t world class athletes. Run a modern offense. Mix up defenses. Press more often (it got us back in the game today) when you’ve got the athletes and depth to do it. Adjustments are all we want. You know what the definition of insanity is, right.
 

kybassfan

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You also wanted to keep Tubby around so your judgement might not be the best.

You mean I supported the program. I wasn’t stupid enough to tell them what to do. I knew that was a completely stupid and useless effort.
 
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It’s this way. Cal isn’t going anywhere. Cal isn’t likely to change a damn thing. I wouldn’t call those facts, but rather high probability conjectures. Wisdom to know what you can’t change. Trashing him accomplishes nothing except maybe providing him entertainment. If you trash the program, I’m gonna push back. Just like I do a U6 fan.

Now for a fact. THIS OUR DAMN TEAM!!! This is what we got. You are either with them or against them. Discuss what they need to do to changes their fundamental skill skill. That’s what Cal is doing and apparently succeeding. Support the team or just admit you have given up on them.
Pretty sure I clearly stated I would always be a UK fan, regardless, and it would appear nearly everyone else is saying the exact same thing, and I for one haven't given up, but I digress.

I see no one here trashing our program, rather they're expressing displeasure with the way the program is being ran, as well as displeasure at how our coach is going about running the program.

That's exactly what a fan message board is for Bass, it will never be sunshine and roses on ANY sports board when your storied program is 1-4 and can't beat mid majors at home.
 

kybassfan

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And you don’t see it as a problem when he refuses to make any adjustments or changes when what he’s doing is no longer working? Seriously? Some adjustments are what most of us are asking for. Change up the recruiting process a bit. Get some shooters. Stop refusing to recruit extremely skilled players simply because they aren’t world class athletes. Run a modern offense. Mix up defenses. Press more often (it got us back in the game today) when you’ve got the athletes and depth to do it. Adjustments are all we want. You know what the definition of insanity is, right.

I think you are on step 467846. The team is on step 4. Insanity is trying to get a baby to run a marathon. Cal is working on fundamentals. You want to mix things up and just today we started to get spacing better on offense. Trying to run before you crawl is just plain stupid.

These kids come out of AAU not knowing crap. You’d think after more than 10 ten years some people might get a clue? What was ityou said about insanity?

I won’t even get into conditioning. We have no lungs. We are weak when body strength would help us. We get tired and start reaching on defense. And you want to mix things up? What the hell basketball team have you been watching.
 

kybassfan

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Pretty sure I clearly stated I would always be a UK fan, regardless, and it would appear nearly everyone else is saying the exact same thing, and I for one haven't given up, but I digress.

I see no one here trashing our program, rather they're expressing displeasure with the way the program is being ran, as well as displeasure at how our coach is going about running the program.

That's exactly what a fan message board is for Bass, it will never be sunshine and roses on ANY sports board when your storied program is 1-4 and can't beat mid majors at home.

And what exactly is all the wailing, chest beating and crying accomplishing. This is what we got. You can dump crap on them or try to lift them up.

I know, it’s your god given right to use a big bucket. Don’t expect me to just be a pansy and let you shovel **** on my cats.
 

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Not a thing. I wasn’t stupid then. I am not stupid now. The negatory nellies are then ones beating their heads against a wall like idiots.
Totally agree. Not a thing. Glad we finally found common ground. Not saying you’re stupid now, but at least we agree. That’s a start. Right, ole pal?
 

kybassfan

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Totally agree. Not a thing. Glad we finally found common ground. Not saying you’re stupid now, but at least we agree. That’s a start. Right, ole pal?

I see what you are trying to do. So basically you are saying stabbing your favorite program in the back is smart. Supporting them is stupid.

Good luck with that dog. It don’t hunt.
 

RunninRichie

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""I told them, Adversity is going to make you tougher. It's what it is," Kentucky coach John Calipari said after the game. "This comes at you, especially at Kentucky. Losing games in a row here is like a natural disaster. And you know what? I'm not buying it, I don't listen to it, I never have. Whether we're winning games or losing games, my focus is on how do I help these guys get better?"

That's an honorable statement for a social worker making $35K a year. For a basketball coach making $10 million,...not so much.
more proof he only cares about the draft
 

Eastkybball

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We all know about his contract...but this is utterly unacceptable for KY basketball.

You think ‘Bama fans would put up with Saban losing to UAB and his teams looking like an unorganized mess? Of course not.
It might have something to do with Cals White Privileges.
 
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Cal isn't matching his 1st five years. Either in recruiting or FF's. In his time here, UCONN has 2 titles directly at UK's expense. Frauds in durham 2 titles. Nova 2 titles, UNC 1 title.
None of those schools, with excpetion of dook, is using this current trainwreck set up.
I don't understand why folks think UK can't find another good coach. UK has 8 titles with 5 coaches. Make the move. It's time.
And Dook couldn’t make it past the E8 with their super teams they had the last couple years
 
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I see what you are trying to do. So basically you are saying stabbing your favorite program in the back is smart. Supporting them is stupid.

Good luck with that dog. It don’t hunt.
You have no clue what I was saying or thinking. And you damn sure don’t know anything about a hunting dog. My advice to you, and it’s not well intended, but nonetheless, stick to what you know. You are a wildcat fan I’m sure, but a Kentucky country boy you ain’t. You aren’t gonna win many disputes with your ****** takes. But keep it coming if you can’t accept that reality, you will be made a fool of twice over.
 

kybassfan

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You have no clue what I was saying or thinking. And you damn sure don’t know anything about a hunting dog. My advice to you, and it’s not well intended, but nonetheless, stick to what you know. You are a wildcat fan I’m sure, but a Kentucky country boy you ain’t. You aren’t gonna win many disputes with your ****** takes. But keep it coming if you can’t accept that reality, you will be made a fool of twice over.

See, you are wrong on every single word. Every one but you believe what you say. That’s what happens when you blubber about things where you have no knowledge and no data. As for me, I’m defending my team. It’s not a matter of winning disputes. It’s not like anything said here will have an impact. I’m not about to let a slavering mob tell me what to think or whether I’m right or wrong. I support my team.
 

KyFaninNC

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You mean I supported the program. I wasn’t stupid enough to tell them what to do. I knew that was a completely stupid and useless effort.
No, you think you are supporting the program. In reality you are supporting a slide downward, just like you did with Tubby. Coaches need to be held accountable, but you wave your pom poms all the time.
 

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See, you are wrong on every single word. Every one but you believe what you say. That’s what happens when you blubber about things where you have no knowledge and no data. As for me, I’m defending my team. It’s not a matter of winning disputes. It’s not like anything said here will have an impact. I’m not about to let a slavering mob tell me what to think or whether I’m right or wrong. I support my team.
Well enlighten me on my lack knowledge and data your heinous. I will respectfully read and respond. As you are the Guinness of this board. Tia.
 

Baller Cal

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There are plenty of coaches out there who could do better than starting the season 1-4 at a program like UK. in fact, there are plenty of coaches out there at far lesser programs doing better than that now. They are doing better for several reasons:

1. They actually know how to coach
2. They recruit players that can actually shoot
3. They don't have to completely rebuild their roster after every season because they don't recruit all one and done type players.

This isn't difficult, man. Some people are sitting around wondering how Cal can fix the problems when the truth of the matter is, Cal IS the problem. Cal is the guy who recruits players that can't shoot. Cal is the guy who runs a street ball offense. Cal is the guy who can't retain players because he's been pushing them out the door since the day he has been here. Cal created this monster and now it is eating him.

Name some of those far lesser programs that have LEGITIMATE hope in March almost every year. Having hope in March once every three or four years would utterly suck.
 

kybassfan

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Why do you keep ignoring my respectful question?

What type of offense do we run and what schemes and plays have stood out to you this season?

@kybassfan

I’ve posted this many times. First, and you know this, I could give a damn about offense when our defense is so sad.

What has stood out to me thus season on offense is not what they run. They are so fundamentally unsound that any offense they run will be ineffective. The spacing is atrocious. The pass decision making is horrible due to the fact that they have no experience playing a good defense. The shot selection is bad. They dribble into traffic with no plan b. I can go on and on.

You ask what he’s running? I ask where are the fundamentals to execute anything. But it really doesn’t matter. The defense was hemorrhaging till the second half. They were on a pace to run about 120 on us in the first ten minutes.

Thanks at least for talking about some relevant basketball.
 

kybassfan

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What? UK did fine with the traditional model in fact it won 7 titles and went to 13 final fours. OnD has won 1 title and went to 4 final fours.

I think you’ll find our frequency of success has been at or better than any point in our history. If you disregard the 6 years, 56 - 58 and 96 - 98 where we won 4 titles, Cal’s track record is atypically high.
 
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Could one of you geniuses tell me a better coach that is willing to come here? Can’t think of one, especially when they know they will have to put up with this *ish.
Cal had prestige to burn that would have allowed him to build a great team year in year out at this program but he .made UK The forerunner to the D league. I think he knows he’s more of a ringleader sort of like a carny or strip club DJ than an actual Xs and Os ball coach. He’s basically a ******* pimp.
 

kybassfan

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Exactly what a puffball would say. You won’t because you can’t. You think you can intimidate me and everyone else you disagree with. Well keep looking foolish trying, it’s entertaining.

You still ain’t getting my personal info.
 

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You still ain’t getting my personal info.
Why would I want your personal info? Hell, I know too much about you as it stands. Where did that come from? You misunderstood my post, which doesn’t surprise me, but no, I really don’t want to know your bowels schedule or anything related. Jeez.
 
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TankedCat

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We all know about his contract...but this is utterly unacceptable for KY basketball.

You think ‘Bama fans would put up with Saban losing to UAB and his teams looking like an unorganized mess? Of course not.
Apparently Auburn isn't too keen on it either.
 

KYCAT78

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He should be smoking knowing we are losing 5-6 players from this squad. Not much confidence this won't happen again next year.
If we lose 5 or 6 players from this shite show then the Coach needs to be gone as well. It would be clearly evident we need to change the nindset of players coming to our University.
 

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We’ll see what the rest of this season holds... But if We don’t even make this post season and 4 guys go Pro and a couple other transfer , the fans complaints will grow exponentially and more importantly boosters that support UK will force Barnharts hand to sit Cal down and remind him that he’s paid to run a WINNING program, not an NBA daycare program. Change his approach or go to the NBA.

Cal walks away amicably IMO. End of 2021-2022 will be his last, is my bet. He doesn’t know how to fix it. He painted himself into a corner.

Cal isn’t a good coach. He only looks good when we have THE best players at a couple positions. When he doesn’t have that guy he looks like a Bafoon screaming on the sideline. And we lose.
 

TankedCat

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at the moment, I don't think we lose more than 1 or 2 guys to professional. Transfers who knows.

I don't have any reason to believe that based on past performances but I have to believe that alot of our guys leave based on a combination of their potential AND what they accomplished on the court for UK. We've seen guys on teams that went to the final four that weren't considered NBA players leave due to the exposure that overachieving did for them. That has to be a double edged sword. If you underachieve then you are putting a ceiling on your potential and as a result you have limited options.

I can't imagine a situation where players on a bad team see a market for them with a high probability of being successful at the next level.

Yes, we'll have guys test the market, that's all part of Cal's master plan, but the market should tell a kid that is a turnover machine, can't space and contributed to a record setting (in a bad way) season for Kentucky that they need to stay put and prove themselves as a team player.

of course that is a common sense pragmatic viewpoint and the last few years we haven't seen much of that from Cal or the kids.
 

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at the moment, I don't think we lose more than 1 or 2 guys to professional. Transfers who knows.

I don't have any reason to believe that based on past performances but I have to believe that alot of our guys leave based on a combination of their potential AND what they accomplished on the court for UK. We've seen guys on teams that went to the final four that weren't considered NBA players leave due to the exposure that overachieving did for them. That has to be a double edged sword. If you underachieve then you are putting a ceiling on your potential and as a result you have limited options.

I can't imagine a situation where players on a bad team see a market for them with a high probability of being successful at the next level.

Yes, we'll have guys test the market, that's all part of Cal's master plan, but the market should tell a kid that is a turnover machine, can't space and contributed to a record setting (in a bad way) season for Kentucky that they need to stay put and prove themselves as a team player.

of course that is a common sense pragmatic viewpoint and the last few years we haven't seen much of that from Cal or the kids.
I don’t have money to bet, but if I did, I’d bet on having half or more of our roster leave one way or the other after this year. That’s apparently the goal, and Cal will see to it that it happens. I know, at this point how dumb that sounds, but wait and see, I’ll gladly eat crow if I’m wrong.