What's the expectation?

bucsrule8872

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That`s why Willis is so important for Kentucky. Without him, your strategy works. But, if you add another shooter, it opens up driving lanes for Ulis to score and for lobs since teams can`t just put a wall Inside.

This.

Everything hinges on a healthy Willis right now. Our guards need his shooting threat to open things up for them.
 
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Elliott Tim

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CBS Sports said Kentucky has the best and most talented backcourt in the country. With that kind of talent at guard, how far should UK go in the tournament?
Depends on the bigs catching fire as rebounders and one of them picking up the scoring slack. Can't afford to have any of them disappear.
 

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Poythress will play way better with Willis back. Willis opens up the entire floor, which in turn let's Poythress have breathing room. Defenders won't be able to just crowd down low which hurts Poythress. Skal comes into picture too. If he hits his shots, Poythress or Lee can work better. See Florida game.
 

LadyCaytIL

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Another moronic question by CUT-NETS. It's so obvious what you're doing, that I hope people don't even respond. If the consensus is the Elite 8, and if UK doesn't make it that far, you're going to come back claiming how poorly Cal did with the best backcourt in the country, blah blah blah. And if they make it further, we just won't hear from you. You really are the worst kind of *******.

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remember his thread "if UL lands Mulder look out" ? We waited 6 months between landing Mulder and finding out he wasnt what we had hoped........ and no excited posts about UK landing Mulder.......... Hmmmmmmmmmmm
 
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LadyCaytIL

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by the way, my expectations or nothing more than our guys playing their hardest and letting the chips fall where they may. We have the best back court we've had in my memory but we also have the worst front court I've seen at UK since our post season ban years.
 
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CUT-NETS

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Our guards are really really talented. Why are so many discounting what Cal can do in the tournament with guards like this? All season long posters are citing Cal being a Hall of Fame coach, multiple final fours, a national title, etc etc. All-of-a-sudden here he is with arguably the best back court he's ever had and nobody is expecting him to make the final four? Which is it? Is Cal a great coach or not? If he is, why such low expectations?
 
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Our guards are really really talented. Why are so many discounting what Cal can do in the tournament with guards like this? All season long posters are citing Cal being a Hall of Fame coach, multiple final fours, a national title, etc etc. All-of-a-sudden here he is with arguably the best back court he's ever had and nobody is expecting him to make the final four? Which is it? Is Cal a great coach or not? If he is, why such low expectations?
If only we could have a Cal like clone as a football coach.....

You are undeniably the biggest football only piece of crap that posts here.
 

GLR5555

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Give me til the second week of April. I will have better clarity then.
 

LadyCaytIL

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Our guards are really really talented. Why are so many discounting what Cal can do in the tournament with guards like this? All season long posters are citing Cal being a Hall of Fame coach, multiple final fours, a national title, etc etc. All-of-a-sudden here he is with arguably the best back court he's ever had and nobody is expecting him to make the final four? Which is it? Is Cal a great coach or not? If he is, why such low expectations?

[roll] You have been on tilt ever since the UL post season ban. Keep it up.... your UL fanhood is showing
 

MakinMusic_rivals

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The missing component for a final four is no one to push people around in the middle. No significant rebounding or put back ability. All his other teams had great players out front and down low. It's not like the gap between these guards and all the others before is that big. All those guys were fantastic guards.
 

LadyCaytIL

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CBS Sports said Kentucky has the best and most talented backcourt in the country. With that kind of talent at guard, how far should UK go in the tournament?

Will UL and Pitino meet your expectations in the tournament this year? OoooooHH Oops. Too soon?


Now I'm just waiting for Zaytovencat to come protect his buddy.
 

kyjeff1

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Our guards are really really talented. Why are so many discounting what Cal can do in the tournament with guards like this? All season long posters are citing Cal being a Hall of Fame coach, multiple final fours, a national title, etc etc. All-of-a-sudden here he is with arguably the best back court he's ever had and nobody is expecting him to make the final four? Which is it? Is Cal a great coach or not? If he is, why such low expectations?
Low expectations? We haven't seen the brackets yet.
What you are seeing is realistic expectations. The experts say that there are 6 or 7 teams that have a realistic shot at winning the title and out of those 7 we are 6th in line. If we meet up with the one or two of the 5 teams ranked ahead of us than all bets are off.
Even you know that our team is vulnerable to teams with big talented front lines. Tyler and Murray can only do so much. But just because we're Kentucky and, Cal is a great coach doesn't mean we are the best team in the field. This team has flaws and if we run into North Carolina or Michigan State you can't put it on Cal if we lose.
Also, you are wanting us to make a prediction right now before the brackets are even out. How is that fair?
If I had to make a guess right now I would say we are E8 good with a legit shot at the FF depending on who our E8 opponent is.
 
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Uh.......I. Like a lot of other TRUE UK fans expect a Title every season. When the year begins its National Champs of Bust
 

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They keep playing until they lose a game. We have great guard play but our interior is rough. The right matchups UK is in the final four. The wrong matchup and we could lose the second day. In this life there is nothing guaranteed. I think Cal and the players do their best. This year is a data point in what has been a high quality era of UK basketball. After Tubby and Gillispie I am happy we have Calipari. I am trying to figure out why anyone wouldn't want him as their team's coach if you look at UK's record. Only Duke is better during Cal's time.
 

TeoJ

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Our guards are really really talented. Why are so many discounting what Cal can do in the tournament with guards like this? All season long posters are citing Cal being a Hall of Fame coach, multiple final fours, a national title, etc etc. All-of-a-sudden here he is with arguably the best back court he's ever had and nobody is expecting him to make the final four? Which is it? Is Cal a great coach or not? If he is, why such low expectations?




Kind of like you as a poster,some think you are bad,some think you are really bad.It is hard to pick.
 
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LadyCaytIL

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Guys on a serious note. How far would UL of gone in the tournament this year? I am thinking they'd be done in the round of 32. They were so over rated this year it was laughable. without massive home cooking, they'd of had 12 losses on the year
 

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Guys on a serious note. How far would UL of gone in the tournament this year? I am thinking they'd be done in the round of 32. They were so over rated this year it was laughable. without massive home cooking, they'd of had 12 losses on the year

I actually tell my UL friends that they had a great chance at a final four this year. Tis fun watching them be filled with anger and grief...

 
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LadyCaytIL

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I actually tell my UL friends that they had a great chance at a final four this year. Tis fun watching them be filled with anger and grief...


They couldnt even beat us when we were playing poorly. They had no shot of a final four unless they cheated their way into it.
 

Montana81

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Tyler Ulis is arguably the greatest point guard in Kentucky basketball history. Jamal Murray is scoring at an unreal clip. There have been numerous threads on here discussing how they could potentially be the greatest backcourt in UK's history.

Unfortunately because our front court is not up to standard, it's gonna depend largely on matchups.

I think with a 3 or 4 seed, Cal's coaching along with Murray and Ulis is good enough to get us to the 2nd weekend.

Our front court seems to produce every other game. So if the sweet sixteen is that game then we'll make it to the E8. Unfortunately that's the point when you start running into times that have balance. I think that's the point that we won't likely be able to overcome our lack of rebounding.

It's also possible that happens a round earlier in the sweet sixteen if that's the game that Poythress, Lee and Skal decide to no show.

It's also possible Willis and Murray just go on a tear from 3 and carry is all the way to the title along with Ulis AA level play. But I don't think that's likely. They've already been burning it up during conference season. Think they're more likely to come back down to earth than get even hotter at this point.
 

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CBS Sports said Kentucky has the best and most talented backcourt in the country. With that kind of talent at guard, how far should UK go in the tournament?
THEY SHOULD BEAT EVERYBODY IN THE TOURNEY BY 37 POINTS ON THE WAY TO A CHAMIONSHIP AM I RIGHT CUT? ZAYTOVEN? WHO'S WITH ME?

ANY HALF DECENT COACH WOULD DO THAT EVERY SINGLE SEASON IF HE WAS STARTING ALL FIVE STARS. K ALREADY DOES IT.. HE'S ON HIS 25TH STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP.

IF CAL PULLS HIS HEAD OUT OF HIS *** THEN FINALLY HE'LL START WINNING IT EVERY YEAR AND HE AND K AND SELF WILL KEEP WINNING CO-CHAMPIONSHIPS EVERY YEAR BECAUSE NONE WILL BE ABLE TO STOP THE OTHER SINCE CHAMPIONSHIPS SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC WHEN YOU HAVE LOTS OF TALENT AND A HALF DECENT COACH.

KNOW WHAT I MEAN???!!?
 

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Unfortunately, the rest of our bench -- from one end to the other, if you get my drift -- is not nearly as capable and not nearly as reliable as our backcourt. If they all were so capable and dependable, we'd probably take down NCAA Championship Number 9. As it is, I will be surprised if we make it past the first round of the Sweet Sixteen.

Just MHO, of course.
 

LadyCaytIL

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THEY SHOULD BEAT EVERYBODY IN THE TOURNEY BY 37 POINTS ON THE WAY TO A CHAMIONSHIP AM I RIGHT CUT? ZAYTOVEN? WHO'S WITH ME?

ANY HALF DECENT COACH WOULD DO THAT EVERY SINGLE SEASON IF HE WAS STARTING ALL FIVE STARS. K ALREADY DOES IT.. HE'S ON HIS 25TH STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP.

IF CAL PULLS HIS HEAD OUT OF HIS *** THEN FINALLY HE'LL START WINNING IT EVERY YEAR AND HE AND K AND SELF WILL KEEP WINNING CO-CHAMPIONSHIPS EVERY YEAR BECAUSE NONE WILL BE ABLE TO STOP THE OTHER SINCE CHAMPIONSHIPS SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC WHEN YOU HAVE LOTS OF TALENT AND A HALF DECENT COACH.

KNOW WHAT I MEAN???!!?

YEAH YOU TELL EM! seriously though. He's a UL fan ..pretending to be a UK fan.. probably one of those goofs over the last few weeks that calls into KSR pretending to be a UK fan and Matt has to catch em. keep taking jabs at Pitino and UL when he posts and he may catch on that his agenda here isnt appreciated
 
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Dirk minniefield is hard to beat:sunglasses:but Tyler in that conversation is definitely there..
So if you remember Minniefield, you probably remember Rex Chapman and Ed Davender. Would you take Ulis and Murray over Rex Chapman and Ed Davender? Ulis and Murray average a few more points but they have to because Rex and Ed had a better supporting cast. I have been watching UK Baskerball since 1977 and i think Rex and Ed were the best combo we have had.
 
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Match ups ..... It is all about match ups in the NCAA. Cal has always had more balanced teams...with Ulis and Murray, you will always have a chance....
 

bloodguard13

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Our guards are really really talented. Why are so many discounting what Cal can do in the tournament with guards like this? All season long posters are citing Cal being a Hall of Fame coach, multiple final fours, a national title, etc etc. All-of-a-sudden here he is with arguably the best back court he's ever had and nobody is expecting him to make the final four? Which is it? Is Cal a great coach or not? If he is, why such low expectations?
Yeah, he is a terrible Coach. Any Coach could lose 7 of his 13 players to the NBA and still not only make the NCAA tournament but be 1 of 10 teams that most experts think could win. Oh....wait, he is the ONLY Coach to do that, not K, Roy Williams,Pitino,Izzo, Bill Self, Dean Smith, Adolf Rupp, or even The Wirard of Westwood could do that. Wow, we are pretty lucky to have this guy!
 

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So if you remember Minniefield, you probably remember Rex Chapman and Ed Davender. Would you take Ulis and Murray over Rex Chapman and Ed Davender? Ulis and Murray average a few more points but they have to because Rex and Ed had a better supporting cast. I have been watching UK Baskerball since 1977 and i think Rex and Ed were the best combo we have had.
Actually I'm only 35 and never got to see dirk play in person. My dad started me on UK basketball when I was 6 and would school me on past players and present. Every game my brother and I would have to watch with him in the living room. He was a horse trainer, so pretty much all I know is farm/ horses and UK basketball.. Guess I'm pretty blessed ;)
 

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And yes Rex was the man... And got robbed by Dee Brown in the dunk contest too:thumbsdown: wish the NBA was like that now.. I grew up in the greatest era of basketball I must say..
 
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26MichaelUK

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Unfortunately, the rest of our bench -- from one end to the other, if you get my drift -- is not nearly as capable and not nearly as reliable as our backcourt. If they all were so capable and dependable, we'd probably take down NCAA Championship Number 9. As it is, I will be surprised if we make it past the first round of the Sweet Sixteen.

Just MHO, of course.
The first round of the sweet 16?
 
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26MichaelUK

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They keep playing until they lose a game. We have great guard play but our interior is rough. The right matchups UK is in the final four. The wrong matchup and we could lose the second day. In this life there is nothing guaranteed. I think Cal and the players do their best. This year is a data point in what has been a high quality era of UK basketball. After Tubby and Gillispie I am happy we have Calipari. I am trying to figure out why anyone wouldn't want him as their team's coach if you look at UK's record. Only Duke is better during Cal's time.
Iknow Duke has 2 titles to our 1 but we've been to 4 final fours, Duke 2. They've been beaten by a 15 seed and a 13 I believe in the first round, we have the one nit. We have by far the most regular season wins during the Cal era, and by far the most tournament wins. Titles are huge but not everything. We've been the best. We've playeo our seed or bette every single year we've been in the tournament under Cal.
 

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So if you remember Minniefield, you probably remember Rex Chapman and Ed Davender. Would you take Ulis and Murray over Rex Chapman and Ed Davender? Ulis and Murray average a few more points but they have to because Rex and Ed had a better supporting cast. I have been watching UK Baskerball since 1977 and i think Rex and Ed were the best combo we have had.

If been watching since 78 and I disagree.
Ulis is a magician with the rock and Murray is a stone cold killer.
 

Montana81

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Iknow Duke has 2 titles to our 1 but we've been to 4 final fours, Duke 2. They've been beaten by a 15 seed and a 13 I believe in the first round, we have the one nit. We have by far the most regular season wins during the Cal era, and by far the most tournament wins. Titles are huge but not everything. We've been the best. We've playeo our seed or bette every single year we've been in the tournament under Cal.

Except 2010. 1 seed and lost in the E8.

If you add 1 for how many games you play over your seed and subtract for under we're way better than everyone else during that time frame though.
 
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Cowtown Cat

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Are we talking about strictly PG and SG combos or what? DA and Mercer were a hell of a combo. They were a SG and SF combo, though, of course.