Seems as if a lot of Jersey kids being offered. What would be the attraction to picking them? Like RU, they aren't a traditional power.
Wake Forest?
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They are likely the third or fourth option for kids in their own state (looks like only 3 of their 22 recruits signed in the 2018 class came from NC)...they get just as many kids from Maryland, DC, CT, and NJ...maybe they feel they can compete for the same level recruits better with Maryland and a Rutgers for northeast kids that want to play in slightly warmer weather...it's also a really good academic school...a co worker whose son plays lacrosse at Rutgers has another son who just graduated from Wake...
The head coach and assistant coach (Clawson and Higgins) have strong northeast ties -- Lehigh and Fordham -- as well as all the other Atlantic coast states. When he was at Lehigh, Higgins did a superb job recruiting Florida and Atlanta areas.
As time goes by and they sense the ease of how our talent runs for the border they all eventually come to pillage.
Dave, you were missed last night at my sisters Kentucky Derby party. Louie, Mazanek, Saunder, O'Reilly and Acosta showed up. We had a lot of laughs talking about our old poker games.
PS- there were 2 pools, one picking a horse out of a hat, and another picking for $5 any horse you want.
I pulled Justify out the hat, and had Justify (and Bolt d'oro) in the other pool. Won about $150.
Mint Juleps were good and some excitement when Robin Hoffman's Southwest Mac & Cheese caught fire in my sisters broiler, lol.
Good academic reputation, yes. Winning tradition? No. Tiny stadium. Small, unappealing Campus (if you ask me). Winston Salem going under major redevelopment right now but is a shadow of its former self. I don’t see it
WF stinks.
It's basically a school to attend if UNC, NC St or Duke doesn't offer
It's basically a school to attend if UNC, NC St or Duke doesn't offer
Wake Forest’s campus is beautiful. Went there for basketball camp as a kid, right after Tim Duncan graduated. Not the basketball school they once were. They were a much better option for college than say NC State where all the Duke/UNC rejects had to go.
umm......... no.
might be way behind in athletics...... and might be behind Duke in appeal........ but, it's a great school and well respected (probably ahead of UNC and way ahead of NCSt).......
Dave Cohen says hello. Boy did he get a raw deal at Rutgers.
He looks very happy in his bio picture too.
http://www.wakeforestsports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/dave_cohen_880582.html
The Demon Deacons recorded 3.15 sacks per game during the 2016 season, 11th-most in the NCAA, while the Deacs’ 41 sacks on the season are the second-most in program history.
In 2013, Cohen coordinated a Rutgers defense that ranked third in the nation in run defense.
With all due respect I’m calling major BS on this post. Wud love to read any info to support the post.
US News Ranking is garbage. This is a comprehensive ranking. WFU is ahead of NC State, but behind UNC.
http://cwur.org/2017/usa.php
But for engineering and science NC State hands down over WFU.
Your list says Arizona State is ranked higher than Rice and Georgetown. Stopped reading there
My son played in a season opening baseball tournament this past February against Wake Forest and Gardner Webb at WF. My first visit and I had always heard it was a beautiful campus. I found it crowded, small and not all that attractive.
"My" list is not my list. But it is more rigorous and less subjective than the USNAWR list.
Ranking of universities is fraught with more inaccuracies than rankings of high school athletes.
Center for World University Rankings
This Saudi Arabia-based consulting organization has published yearly rankings of world universities since 2012. Rankings are based on quality of education, alumni employment, quality of faculty, number of publications, number of publications in high-quality journals, citations, scientific impact and number of patents.
CRA Statement on US News and World Report Rankings of Computer Science Universities
https://cra.org/cra-statement-us-news-world-report-rankings-computer-science-universities/
"The methodology used — rankings based on journal publications collected by Web of Science — ignores conference publications and as a consequence does not accurately reflect how research is disseminated in the CS community or how faculty receive recognition or have impact. Furthermore, the list of venues is not public. So while some may debate the soundness of any bibliometric-based rankings, there will be no debate about the flaws in the rankings USN&WR has published; the methodology makes inferences from the wrong data without transparency and, consequently, it arrives at an absurd ranking.
Another important factor in USN&WR rankings is reputation. However, reputational rankings in a large, mostly disconnected community, arguably are problematic. It is unreasonable to expect that departments half-way around the world will have anything close to an accurate assessment of each other, given that they are speaking a different language, have different value systems, different levels of resources, and different goals.
Anyone with knowledge of CS research will see these rankings for what they are — nonsense — and ignore them. But others may be seriously misled."
Not surprising. Larger, more comprehensive Universities will rank higher on the CWUR ranking because there will be more and more impactful publications and patents out of the larger Universities.
USNAWR ranking depends a lot on reputation, which, as stated above by one organization is a risky way of doing rankings.
For example, a student wishing to major in ceramic engineering would be wise to choose Alfred University in upstate New York over any Ivy, Stanford or Carnegie Mellon. Alfred University is world renowned in ceramic science and engineering, while the Ivies and other schools are not
Similar situation for football players and other athletes selecting a university. In one respect, it is admirable for all of the best players to want to play for storied, perennially ranked programs. But what is the reality? Do athletes get to choose their major? Do they have a life after football program? Will they see the field?
The "best" Universities ultimately is a subjective thing, depending on each student's needs and desires for what they want in a college education. Too many kids are chasing ivies and Stanford and Carnegie Mellon when they should be choosing the best place for them and their intended major, if they know it. @RU848789 may have something to say about this too?
Wake Forest campus isn’t very big, but it is beautiful. Not sure how it can be labeled unappealing.
However, I do think W-S is a dump compared to Charlotte and Raleigh.
Perhaps kids in NC are less interested in the academic credentials of their college choices to play football than kids in NJ. NJ schools are academically better, which may lead to NJ HS grads more interested in academics in their college choice process.
The people in this thread slagging on an excellent school like Wake Forest are hilarious.
Love statements like this, when there are many screaming about our current coach.
What has Clawson done to merit such praise?
Fordham (4 seasons) 29-29/16-17
Richmond (4 seasons) 29-20/18-14
Bowling Green (5 seasons) 32-30/24-17
Wake Forest:
2014: 3-9/ 1-7 (one win was against Gardner-Webb, lost to a 4-7 Louisiana-Monroe)
2015: 3-9/1-7 (one win against Elon, lost to 4-8 Syrapuke)
2016: 7-6/3-5 (Hey, it takes a few years to show turnaround and progress, except at Rutgers where we demand it now; with Tulane, Delaware,Duke and Virginia on the schedule, 4 wins was a given)
2017: 8-5/4-4 (Good season--what took so long?)
Knight, I like your list since it has Pitt ranked #43 and Penn State ranked #58.:sunglasses:
LOL
Schools like Wake Forest, Georgetown, Notre Dame etc are excellent (for the most part undergraduate) academic schools.
None are Association of American Universities (AAU-Research Universities).
AAU member Universities-60 Universities in the United States-are on the leading edge of innovation, scholarship and solutions that contribute to scientific progress, and economic development. The 60 AAU Universities in the US award one-half of all doctoral degrees and 55% of those are in science and engineering.
The two AAU member schools in North Carolina are Duke and UNC.
Different lists sometimes compare apples and oranges.
I agree with your comments on the USN ranking of National Universities.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
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They brag about the great education they got at RU and then go on to show us that they haven't got a clue how to research a subject or analyze information.
Think that part of the problem is the plethora of rankings and how each school will use the ranking that ranks highest to their advantage. Still maintain USNAWR is suspect, but one could make an argument for the ranking I cited above that it only focuses on research and not the quality of undergraduate education--which there is no definitive way to measure.
Indeed. Wake's campus and overall profile is very much like a SLAC. It's a beautiful place though and that intimacy appeals to many.
But regardless of all that, comparing WF to a high school as someone did aboce is absurd. It's a great school, period.
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Wake Forest is a great school.
It is just another chance for NJ High School players to get a free ride at a great school.
That being said for Football, the only reason anyone would pick WF over Rutgers for football is if they were just too scared to play in our Division.
It is just another chance for NJ High School players to get a free ride at a great school.
That being said for Football, the only reason anyone would pick WF over Rutgers for football is if they were just too scared to play in our Division.
This is from an e-mail I received from an esteemed professor at one of the top 5 universities in the United States:
"The other thing to remember about rankings is that they are mostly about research, not about undergraduate teaching. No matter where you go, you will have some fantastic teachers and some terrible ones. Your most important teachers will be the grad students who run your discussion and lab sections, not the big-name professor who teaches the class of 500 students. "
"The other thing to remember about rankings is that they are mostly about research, not about undergraduate teaching. No matter where you go, you will have some fantastic teachers and some terrible ones. Your most important teachers will be the grad students who run your discussion and lab sections, not the big-name professor who teaches the class of 500 students. "
Fair enough..... I was thrown-off a bit by "attend" vs "accepting an offer".... but, I agree WF success in any key sport pales in comparison to any of those other schools from the area......
I have no dog in this fight... but, surprised by how little (some) people seem to feel about the "quality" of WF in general.......
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