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Virginia Redistricting PASSED!!

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Jonathan Turley says Virginia Democrats suffered a major setback after a rushed redistricting effort was blocked, calling it a costly and damaging misstep:

“Virginia was always the gold standard for avoiding gerrymandering. The state has strict rules and a commission in place to prevent it, making it very difficult to manipulate district lines. So to push this through, they tried a rushed effort ahead of the midterm elections. But the Supreme Court of Virginia said no—we’re not going to sign off on this. This was a face-planting of legendary proportions for Governor Spanberger. She had previously assured voters she was vehemently against gerrymandering, but once elected, she shifted and supported what became one of the most aggressive redistricting efforts in the country. This resulted in a major setback for Democrats. They spent a fortune—about $64 million—to get this passed, and in the process alienated a large portion of the state.”
 
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The Dems’ proposed map for Virginia was not just unconstitutional, I’d argue it was an act of insurrection.

The Dems tried to let the brainwashed DC liberal sheep rule the entire state, as part of the Democrats’ broader plan to subvert our elections and remove Trump.

This gerrymandering attempt was a continuation of the treasonous coup against Trump, and a continuation of the war the Dems are waging on the American People.

This is what irregular political warfare looks like.
 
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Check out today’s times article re potential responses. As I mentioned, a good lawyer can always come up with some sort of plan. The one mentioned is pretty wild.
1. Pass bill lowering mandatory retirement age for judges.
2. Replace scova justices
3. Bring new lawsuit saying even if you accepted old scova decision, you can’t use old districts from redistricting commission (though they’ve been used once already) because the amendment process that brought about the old redistricting commission didn’t comply with certain public notice postings in courthouses. (Note, the lower court in the current case actually held this, but scova ignored it as an issue and didn’t address in its opinion.
4. Setting aside mootness (see #2), and fact that existing districts have been seated in the us house, that means districts have to be redrawn by districts.
5. Legislature redraws districts.

Voila!
 
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A bit of an end of the day update.

1. A local news site has reported that ag jones may ask scova to stay the decision while he pursues an appeal to scotus.
2. I’m no va lawyer but I’m a bit mystified by that in that staying things would in essence leave us where we otherwise were, which is the clerk was enjoined from certifying the vote.

edit - apparently he sought a stay of the mandate, which might actually make some procedural sense

3. As to a scotus appeal, I have no idea what the federal basis would be but I suppose any decent constitutional lawyer can come up with a theory.
4. Perhaps it may relate to one hinted at by the dissent- that somehow the federal Election Day definition is controlling under state law and that it means only the day rather than when an early vote commences.
5. Not sure I buy that preemption theory generally, but it strikes me as risky in two fronts — first that the court is considering that term already, in the nrcc case, and second that if the principle were pressed it might gut early voting entirely (which I don’t think is an outcome that would be popular generally).
6. Finally, I note that ag Jones’s comments about scova were rather…impolitic, for a guy with a va bar license and future business before the court. I am beginning to wonder whether he is something of a dolt, consistent with his prior two bullets comments.
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What are your thoughts on what's going on in Florida?
 
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What are your thoughts on what's going on in Florida?
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It sucks. It sounds like it violates the state constitution.

as I understand the desantis argument, it’s something g to the effect that because some other part of the law was struck down, and there was no severability clause, the “no politics” standard is similarly invalid. As is typical with this stuff sounds dubious but not completely detached from some plausibly normal legal principles.

edit - did a little poking around re Fla and indeed the arguments highlight the paradoxical/catch 22 part of alitos opinion that I was troubled by. Desantis argues Fla law required considering minority representation when drawing districts, that la has effectively prohibited that, and further that the race mandate and politics prohibition were inextricably intertwined, which means the politics prohibition is likewise illegal. As noted, sounds dubious as it looks like the “normal” presumptions around legislative severability are are that the rest of an enactment remains valid. (At a certain level that strikes me as a little odd as a matter of legislative reality, but very practical and consistent with judicial restraint as courts would otherwise likely have to write on blank paper in considering a remedy. I also wonder whether such a rule “should” apply to constitutional provisions enacted by referenda. ).

Even assuming that la did what desantis asserts, d’s naturally argue the contrary re severability and therefore that politics is still prohibited. Again, so far so good. But recall alitos note regarding the correlation between race and party voting, and how his use of that would make it next to impossible to prove an intent case which he says is what remains. So now, I suspect desanto will respond with the same chicken/egg argument - ie, that the old maps aren’t actually race, but politics. Round and round we go
 
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TigerGrowls said:
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The Dems’ proposed map for Virginia was not just unconstitutional, I’d argue it was an act of insurrection.

The Dems tried to let the brainwashed DC liberal sheep rule the entire state, as part of the Democrats’ broader plan to subvert our elections and remove Trump.

This gerrymandering attempt was a continuation of the treasonous coup against Trump, and a continuation of the war the Dems are waging on the American People.

This is what irregular political warfare looks like.
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WTF do you call North Carolina's congressional map?
 
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There are many millions of immigrants who have been living here, working here, paying taxes here, and raising kids here, for decades. The Republicans not only don't want to give them a path to citizenship, they want to deport them. The more forcefully, the better.
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And, many millions who don't pay taxes. I was in Los Angeles about 3 years ago in Old historic Chinatown. (Which is now almost all Vietnamese) and virtually all of the stores said up front that if you paid cash, you wouldn't be charged the sales tax. This was about 3/4 of a mile from the Los Angeles county courthouse. The elected officials obviously knew of the tax fraud, but they are happy to allow non- citizens to get away with not paying taxes. If these were white people, they would be vigorously prosecuted. Chat gpt , which has a liberal bias, says that 25 to 50% of the illegals don't pay taxes.
 
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And, many millions who don't pay taxes. I was in Los Angeles about 3 years ago in Old historic Chinatown. (Which is now almost all Vietnamese) and virtually all of the stores said up front that if you paid cash, you wouldn't be charged the sales tax. This was about 3/4 of a mile from the Los Angeles county courthouse. The elected officials obviously knew of the tax fraud, but they are happy to allow non- citizens to get away with not paying taxes. If these were white people, they would be vigorously prosecuted. Chat gpt , which has a liberal bias, says that 25 to 50% of the illegals don't pay taxes.
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that's an interesting variation on the usual theme, which is the cash price is lower because they don't have to pass on the card processing fees. (Oddly enough, this phenomenon actually came up in a drug pricing regulation!!!)
 
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For those (likely very few) interested in actual reading, the d’s’ application for a stay from scotus. Not super compelling imo from first pass in making the case there’s a federal issue.

I continue to believe as well that some of the arguments about Election Day could actually present a little risk to early voting that could leak out in the mail ballot case. They also argue that the state courts interpretation is so egregiously wrong that it amounts to usurpation of the state legislative power in violation of the constitution. While again I’m pretty dubious of that, I also think that might raise some risks in leaving windows open for, say, the Florida supremes to interpret Their laws around political gerrymandering restrictions.

we’ll see I guess, and I suspect the r response on Thursday is going to have a very different gloss on the facts, but I’ll be surprised if there were more than one dissenter at most.
 
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that's an interesting variation on the usual theme, which is the cash price is lower because they don't have to pass on the card processing fees. (Oddly enough, this phenomenon actually came up in a drug pricing regulation!!!)
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The amount "saved" on income taxes is obviously a lot more than the credit card processing fees.
 
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The New York Times is reporting that Hakeem Jeffries met with Virginia Democrats to discuss ignoring the Virginia Supreme Court and redrawing the maps anyway. Which means in violation of the courts order.

This is a story published based on five anonymous sources who all leaked details about the call.

Now, why would Democrats do that to themselves because normal people would look at the story and think wow this is literally the Democrats trying to dismantle “democracy.”

Of course it’s not because The New York Times doesn’t do anything that doesn’t benefit the Democrats. First of all this article ran next to an opinion piece that pretty much cheers on the Democrats, and their attempts to dismantle the Supreme Court and to pack it.

This also ties into their new push with demand justice an NGO that is owned by Arabella Advisors (which changed their name after an investigation into their practices).

So April you have Kamala Harris bragging that Demand Justice stands ready to oppose anyone Trump tries to nominate to the Supreme Court.

James Carville then clearly signals on a podcast when democrats win the first thing they plan on doing is packing the court.

And now you have this supposed leak from The New York Times.

And that is how Democrats control the narrative when they plan on doing something that is completely unconstitutional and a naked power grab so that by the time they actually do it, they’re liberal media has already prepped people to accept it.

They already have consultants and focus groups right now testing out what kind of verbiage to use when they make this push.
 
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The New York Times is reporting that Hakeem Jeffries met with Virginia Democrats to discuss ignoring the Virginia Supreme Court and redrawing the maps anyway. Which means in violation of the courts order.

This is a story published based on five anonymous sources who all leaked details about the call.

Now, why would Democrats do that to themselves because normal people would look at the story and think wow this is literally the Democrats trying to dismantle “democracy.”

Of course it’s not because The New York Times doesn’t do anything that doesn’t benefit the Democrats. First of all this article ran next to an opinion piece that pretty much cheers on the Democrats, and their attempts to dismantle the Supreme Court and to pack it.

This also ties into their new push with demand justice an NGO that is owned by Arabella Advisors (which changed their name after an investigation into their practices).

So April you have Kamala Harris bragging that Demand Justice stands ready to oppose anyone Trump tries to nominate to the Supreme Court.

James Carville then clearly signals on a podcast when democrats win the first thing they plan on doing is packing the court.

And now you have this supposed leak from The New York Times.

And that is how Democrats control the narrative when they plan on doing something that is completely unconstitutional and a naked power grab so that by the time they actually do it, they’re liberal media has already prepped people to accept it.

They already have consultants and focus groups right now testing out what kind of verbiage to use when they make this push.
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Who gives a flying fck. The supreme court is executing a coup in real time.
 
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magaboy said:
'We are in a moment of constitutional crisis' | Courthouse News Service https://share.google/SQPUpxSijJsdsvDUJ

And I'm not even pretending to care what you think about January 6th.
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This is a bs opinion piece about the Maryland Man..lol!!! I wouldn't hitch my wagon to that donkey. They brought the loser back to the US anyways and he either has or will be deported. The judicial Coup by the Marxist judges won't stop Trump in the end.
 
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This is a bs opinion piece about the Maryland Man..lol!!! I wouldn't hitch my wagon to that donkey. They brought the loser back to the US anyways and he either has or will be deported. The judicial Coup by the Marxist judges won't stop Trump in the end.
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IT proves with every post that IT is in fact a BOY. IT doesn't resemble a MAN at all.

IT's been a a paying member less than a month, but IT has ideas and thoughts.
 
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Hey, stop that. What are you doing? I'm a human being god dammit!
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Yes, you are a human being. I don't deny that. Also one that likes to say GD (GOD in my opinion should be in all caps-but I'm sure you don't believe in that), but I digress.

I was just pointing out you are a BOY, not a MAN.

I called you IT, because no one can assume these days due to you folks running around, and you would likely be triggered if I didn't call you one of the 57/67/87 genders y'all made up.
 
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Yes, you are a human being. I don't deny that. Also one that likes to say GD (GOD in my opinion should be in all caps-but I'm sure you don't believe in that), but I digress.

I was just pointing out you are a BOY, not a MAN.

I called you IT, because no one can assume these days due to you folks running around, and you would likely be triggered if I didn't call you one of the 57/67/87 genders y'all made up.
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Well that all makes sense. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
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How did this work out for you OP 😂😂😂

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I love that the libs were too stupid to spell their own state or 'senator' correctly in their attempted appeal to scotus. Now we get to watch them try and disband their own state supreme court and pack it with far leftists who will rubber stamp whatever illegal policy the dem legislature tries to force through.

The dems are floundering (bigly).
 
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I am pretty sure that the va dems have packed it in.
1. Yesterday’s motion for stay at scotus was just not that compelling.
2. Spanberger commented yesterday that she does not support retiring justices. (Very typical for her actually - the relatively safe thing to do, her career is one of staying below the radar, and I do think she has bigger aspirations in the long term).
3. Saw a piece this am quoting Jeffries et al to the effect of “we’re full steam ahead and are focusing on affordability”. Translation: redistricting will be what it is, and we’ll just have to focus on the actual election instead. (To be clear, good on them if I am reading this right.).
4. And…voila!!! When I checked cnn early this morning before moving my apt today in nova, the first four stories were all “average joe” stories of affordability. The troops have officially received the message.

personally, while I’m sad the other states are following through on the redistricting nonsense, I’m happy someone seems to have decided to focus on an actual issue and play their hand (which may well be a winning one notwithstanding redistricting).
 
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