Virginia Redistricting PASSED!!

FLaw47

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I tend to agree with you that as bare-knuckle politics goes this is not beyond the pale. On the other hand, it is way worse than what Ohio has done in that Ohio has five Democratic seats out of 15 all together. If you do the analysis that some people did upthread about if you only have 40% of the voters or something like that, that you can justify zero members of the minority party. This is not that bad in that analysis either.

I would also mention that cuccinelli goes through four arguments that he thinks are legitimate. On the surface, they all sound legitimate to me but I realize he is not an objective source. Even if his arguments are sound, the odds are the Virginia supreme Court will find a way to evade what Virginia law is regarding the enactment of constitutional amendments.

I wasn't explicit about what Ohio had done. They banned partisan gerrymandering, their Supreme Court ruled the maps unconstitutional, and the state legislature just ignored them. That's what's worse.
 

dpic73

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It doesn't work that way. Just like Hispanics supporting ice.
Oh please Growls, Trump has been doing everything in his power to erase them in his second term. Why would they ever trust Republicans again?

From the anti-DEI campaign, rolling back anti-discrimination orders, cuts to healthcare, Cuts to HBCU/Pell grants, the erasure of black history from museums and federal websites to defunding education and now this, blacks have been significantly harmed under Trump's watch and their votes will reflect it.
 
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I wasn't explicit about what Ohio had done. They banned partisan gerrymandering, their Supreme Court ruled the maps unconstitutional, and the state legislature just ignored them. That's what's worse.
Disenfranchising huge numbers of voters is worse. Also, the Ohio legislature did ignore the Ohio Supreme Court (4-3 decision) but the federal courts upheld what the legislature did. A later Supreme court decision (moore v harper) according to AI -- I haven't double checked) said that the Ohio Supreme court role in dealing with FEDERAL elections violated the US elections clause that holds that State Legislatures control redistricting for federal elections under the US Constitution. So, ultimately, the state legislature was vindicated.
 
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DailyBuck7

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good luck ever getting another black vote.
You live in a Left Wing fantasy bubble. Many blacks are offended by the Dems extremely aggressive social issues interventions and stupidity. Trump won increasing numbers of black votes in the last election. I would mention that this applies to many foreigners/immigrants. It is funny in that I was in Vietnam last year and people were selling maga shirts on the street.
 

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You live in a Left Wing fantasy bubble. Many blacks are offended by the Dems extremely aggressive social issues interventions and stupidity. Trump won increasing numbers of black votes in the last election. I would mention that this applies to many foreigners/immigrants. It is funny in that I was in Vietnam last year and people were selling maga shirts on the street.
You live in a Right Wing fantasy bubble that informs you that everything that happened in November 2024 is unchanged. LMAO that you believe he's done anything but hurt them since. Times have changed Bubba - get with them. Your day after election talking points no longer apply.

"Today, however, new polling among Black Americans suggests the love is gone. Trumpโ€™s favorability has plummeted from 30 percent a year ago to as low as 13 percent last month. His job approval has fallen to 15 percent, less than half of what it was at that White House celebration. His current ratings are about what they were before he lost the 2020 presidential election."

 
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DailyBuck7

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I wasn't explicit about what Ohio had done. They banned partisan gerrymandering, their Supreme Court ruled the maps unconstitutional, and the state legislature just ignored them. That's what's worse.

You live in a Right Wing fantasy bubble that informs you that everything that happened in November 2024 is unchanged. LMAO that you believe he's done anything but hurt them since. Times have changed Bubba - get with them. Your day after election talking points no longer apply.

"Today, however, new polling among Black Americans suggests the love is gone. Trumpโ€™s favorability has plummeted from 30 percent a year ago to as low as 13 percent last month. His job approval has fallen to 15 percent, less than half of what it was at that White House celebration. His current ratings are about what they were before he lost the 2020 presidential election."

He is unpopular because of the war and its aftermath. This has nothing to do with redistricting. One can confidently rely on the clueless dems to screw up and also to this point Trump has not done what he said and has major unforced errors. Unfortunately the mid-terms and the next election will probably be mostly who will screw up less -- not who will help more.
 

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It's big!!!



The Hammer Has Fallenโ€ฆAnd the Racial Gerrymandering Cartel Is in Full Psychological Meltdown.

April 29, 2026.

In a 6-3 surgical strike of pure constitutional ferocity, the Supreme Court has just executed Louisiana v. Callais with the cold, lethal precision of a scalpel through the heart.

Justice Alitoโ€™s majority opinion didnโ€™t merely tweak a map. It drove a stake straight through one of the Leftโ€™s most insidious weapons:

the deliberate, race-predominant carving of congressional districts under the fraudulent banner of the Voting Rights Act. The second majority-Black โ€œopportunity districtโ€ in Louisiana? Obliterated. Struck down. Ordered redrawn immediately.

This is not some incremental procedural win.

This is redistricting war mode officially detonated across the entire South.

The Fourteenth Amendmentโ€™s command of colorblind equal protection has roared back to life with teeth.

The psychological poison the race-industrial complex has been pumping into the body politic for decadesโ€ฆthe toxic lie that Black voters are perpetual wards of the state who can only โ€œwinโ€ when segregated by melanin quotaโ€ฆhas just been exposed and eviscerated in open court.

I have just published the full, unflinching dissection on Substack.

What you are about to read is the complete constitutional anatomy of the kill shot:

Alitoโ€™s masterclass in strict scrutiny, the concurrence from Thomas and Gorsuch that goes for the jugular of the entire race-conscious edifice, the psychological projection of the dissenting Left, and the strategic nuclear advantage this ruling now hands every Republican legislature from Baton Rouge to Atlanta to Columbia.

No mercy. No illusions.

Just raw, sophisticated truth about how this decision cabined the VRAโ€™s most poisonous abuse while leaving the Republicโ€™s foundational principle intact: the right to vote shall not be abridged on account of raceโ€ฆnot because of it.

The counteroffensive has begun.

The venom belongs to them. The victory belongs to the colorblind Constitution.
 
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FLaw47

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Disenfranchising huge numbers of voters is worse. Also, the Ohio legislature did ignore the Ohio Supreme Court (4-3 decision) but the federal courts upheld what the legislature did. A later Supreme court decision (moore v harper) according to AI -- I haven't double checked) said that the Ohio Supreme court role in dealing with FEDERAL elections violated the US elections clause that holds that State Legislatures control redistricting for federal elections under the US Constitution. So, ultimately, the state legislature was vindicated.

Moore V Harper did, and I'm not exaggerating, the exact opposite of what you're claiming though it did provide enough of a stall for a new Ohio Supreme Court to be seated.
 
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You live in a Right Wing fantasy bubble that informs you that everything that happened in November 2024 is unchanged. LMAO that you believe he's done anything but hurt them since. Times have changed Bubba - get with them. Your day after election talking points no longer apply.

"Today, however, new polling among Black Americans suggests the love is gone. Trumpโ€™s favorability has plummeted from 30 percent a year ago to as low as 13 percent last month. His job approval has fallen to 15 percent, less than half of what it was at that White House celebration. His current ratings are about what they were before he lost the 2020 presidential election."

I have little doubt favorability has dropped, but I doubt itโ€™s driven primarily by the things noted above. A little of it is normal incumbent effect, most of it is basic pocketbook stuff, and a little is the stuff you noted. In 24 I think he took about12%, which was up from a historic number around 8 or 9.

to be sure, thisโ€™ll hurt rโ€™s in midterms, but how much remains to be seen given that 26 maps will still largely reflect some racial gerrymandering through packing.
 

dpic73

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I have little doubt favorability has dropped, but I doubt itโ€™s driven primarily by the things noted above. A little of it is normal incumbent effect, most of it is basic pocketbook stuff, and a little is the stuff you noted. In 24 I think he took about12%, which was up from a historic number around 8 or 9.

to be sure, thisโ€™ll hurt rโ€™s in midterms, but how much remains to be seen given that 26 maps will still largely reflect some racial gerrymandering through packing.
Did you or @DailyBuck7 read the article because it sounds like you think I'm making it up. I also asked AI.

Recent Polling Trends
Recent reports from Pew Research Center and Gallup highlight a downward trend across several key indicators:
  • YouGov Feb 2026 8% Reflects a low among Black respondents
  • PRRI Feb 2026 15% Down from a peak of 19% in early 2025
  • Decision Desk HQ Feb 2026 25% Polling average; noted a 10-point decline
  • Economist/YouGov Aug 2025 11% Noted a 25-point drop in net approval since May 2025
Analysis of the Decline

๐Ÿ“ Key Insight: While Trump achieved a historic share of the Black vote in the 2024 election (approximately 15-16%), analysts suggest this support has eroded due to perceived unfulfilled economic promises and lack of specific policy wins for Black communities during his second term.

Economic Dissatisfaction
: Rising gas prices and general inflation have been cited as primary drivers for his plummeting numbers.

Social & Policy Issues: His administration's moves against DEI programs and rhetoric on Truth Social have also been linked to widespread disapproval, which currently sits at roughly 83% among Black American


The better question might be what has he done to gain their support?
 

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Did you or @DailyBuck7 read the article because it sounds like you think I'm making it up. I also asked AI.

Recent Polling Trends
Recent reports from Pew Research Center and Gallup highlight a downward trend across several key indicators:
  • YouGov Feb 2026 8% Reflects a low among Black respondents
  • PRRI Feb 2026 15% Down from a peak of 19% in early 2025
  • Decision Desk HQ Feb 2026 25% Polling average; noted a 10-point decline
  • Economist/YouGov Aug 2025 11% Noted a 25-point drop in net approval since May 2025
Analysis of the Decline

๐Ÿ“ Key Insight: While Trump achieved a historic share of the Black vote in the 2024 election (approximately 15-16%), analysts suggest this support has eroded due to perceived unfulfilled economic promises and lack of specific policy wins for Black communities during his second term.

Economic Dissatisfaction
: Rising gas prices and general inflation have been cited as primary drivers for his plummeting numbers.

Social & Policy Issues: His administration's moves against DEI programs and rhetoric on Truth Social have also been linked to widespread disapproval, which currently sits at roughly 83% among Black American


The better question might be what has he done to gain their support?
No I donโ€™t think that at all. As I noted, economic promises
 
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FLaw47

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I didn't read the case. As I said, I was going by the summary of chat gpt

So what happened is SCOTUS rejected Independent Legislature Theory but (for reasons I find unconvincing) sent the Ohio case back down for "further consideration" which gave the Ohio Supreme Court enough time to get more Republicans on it and change their minds.
 

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Heโ€™s a solid election lawyer, obviously, but always a little weird when the lawyer talks like heโ€™s actually the client.

I will also say, kudos on the bravado of displaying a โ€œreceiptโ€ from a court that was 7-0 d appointments, when the current court is 6-1 r appointments. Not that Iโ€™m that big a believer in political judges.
 
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Compactness is not intrinsically subjective and although in certain circumstances it would be difficult to apply it does have real meaning. What it is designed to prohibit is the Philip Burton California, democratic,method of creating art and crazily drawn up gerrymandered districts. It would have to be part of any general law trying to stop the gerrymandering craziness.
Well, at least you are consistent. Kinda like Hermy McFluffins. Everything RWNJ's do is just perfect, and everything Democrats to is just plain wrong. Carry on with that view. I'm sure you'll be a hit at neighborhood cocktail parties.
 

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Well, at least you are consistent. Kinda like Hermy McFluffins. Everything RWNJ's do is just perfect, and everything Democrats to is just plain wrong. Carry on with that view. I'm sure you'll be a hit at neighborhood cocktail parties.

Democrats have normalized violence. They are the party of REDRUM. The party of authoritarian rule. lol....

I'm telling you; you are the stupidest individual here. So glad you don't litigate.

Meanwhile......

Spanbergerโ€™s bad day in court​


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...nberger-bad-day-court-virginia-redistricting/
 
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