Venezuela Operation Underway

[fatpiggy]

Do you truly believe Venezuela had the option to say no?

It was kind of like the vaccine passports. You didn't have to take the shot. But you might lose your job, not be able to shop for groceries, and in general shunned from society.

Whatever you want to call it, I don't think it's taking.

The US struck a deal which is mutually beneficial to both countries.

 

[fatpiggy]

 

[pjhawk]

So, we just invade a country and take over their natural resources?

These fruitcakes are now endorsing full imperial plunder, in "partnership" with the same essentially mafia organization that has been controlling that country for decades.

Absolutely no way there will be any blow back for this idiocy in the future! Always works out!

I can imagine what the Venezuelans who thought removing Maduro would bring positive change for their country are thinking.

 

[pjhawk]

What part of partnership says “taking”?

It was a joint investment.

You clown.

 

[firegiver]

Yay murder for profit. And in 50 years folks will be asking: why do the Venezuelans hate us?

Rinse cycle and repeat. Are your days better now?
This administration is a disgrace.

I feel bad for MAGA, they don't know what winning looks like anymore.

 

[Roswelllion]

Yay murder for profit. And in 50 years folks will be asking: why do the Venezuelans hate us?

Rinse cycle and repeat. Are your days better now?
This administration is a disgrace.

I feel bad for MAGA, they don't know what winning looks like anymore.

Yea life in Venezuela is so good they will regret this.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

 

[THE_DEVIL]

 

[fatpiggy]

Yea life in Venezuela is so good they will regret this.

Exactly.

He would rather they rot in their socialist misery.

 

[lucas80]

So, we just invade a country and take over their natural resources?

Well, we're also keeping Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria Corina Machado out of Venezuela. Weird that the woman we claim won the election that preceded our military intervention is being kept from returning to Venezuela and we're keeping Maduro's corrupt #2 in charge.

 

[pjhawk]

Exactly.

He would rather they rot in their socialist misery.

What has changed for the people of Venezuela? Other than removing Maduro, It's the same thugs running the country. Same system. Same economy.

 

[RichOne420]

Yea life in Venezuela is so good they will regret this.

Says the person that has never been to said country. It is ok to admit you have no clue than to use blind opinions to form an opinion.

 

[lucas80]

It doesn't sound like there is much of a plan. Typical Trump. The big oil companies aren't jumping in. The deal, such as it is, can be voided by future leader on either side. The guy on point for this plan is under investigation in multiple countries.

 

[firegiver]

Yea life in Venezuela is so good they will regret this.

same logic that allowed Americans to genocide the natives here. Its for their own good, steal there kids from them and cut there hair and don't let them speak there own language.

No wonder MAGA don't want to teach American history accurately. Feelings like accountability and empathy get in the way of profit.

 

[Roswelllion]

same logic that allowed Americans to genocide the natives here. Its for their own good, steal there kids from them and cut there hair and don't let them speak there own language.

No wonder MAGA don't want to teach American history accurately. Feelings like accountability and empathy get in the way of profit.

someone sane please explain this to me. So we strike a deal with Venezuela, as i read it our oil companies or the government will invest upwords of $100 billion dollars to restart the V oil business.

1. A good chunk of this money will be in hiring Venezuelan workers at good paying jobs.
2. Then the US either gets access or can pay at cost for 55% of the oil field production. The other 45% goes to Venezuela.
3. Our oil companies were in V and had done this all in the past before H. Chavez.
4 Chavez and Maduro had decimated the V oil business. The 45% they get will be far more than they were doing.

This truly is a win/win for the US and Ven. You can argue specifics but suggesting this is similar to how the Native Americans were treated is bizarre and takes either TDS or just plain anti Americanism to a whole new level.

 

[firegiver]

someone sane please explain this to me. So we strike a deal with Venezuela, as i read it our oil companies or the government will invest upwords of $100 billion dollars to restart the V oil business.

1. A good chunk of this money will be in hiring Venezuelan workers at good paying jobs.
2. Then the US either gets access or can pay at cost for 55% of the oil field production. The other 45% goes to Venezuela.
3. Our oil companies were in V and had done this all in the past before H. Chavez.
4 Chavez and Maduro had decimated the V oil business. The 45% they get will be far more than they were doing.

This truly is a win/win for the US and Ven. You can argue specifics but suggesting this is similar to how the Native Americans were treated is bizarre and takes either TDS or just plain anti Americanism to a whole new level.

You invaded another country and killed their leaders and walk away saying: this is a good deal for everyone. SMH. If its such a good deal and the economic opportunities are so vast im sure we should be shipping all our unemployed to Venezuela to labor camps.

 

[Roswelllion]

You invaded another country and killed their leaders and walk away saying: this is a good deal for everyone. SMH. If its such a good deal and the economic opportunities are so vast im sure we should be shipping all our unemployed to Venezuela to labor camps.

Oh boy, "Invaded another country and killed their leaders". What country are you talking about? Maduro is in a jail in NYC. "Venezuelan labor camps" I thought you were saying the Venezuelan's have things great and do not our financial investment. Labor camps don't sound so nice. the economic investments are great for Venezuelan workers and not as a place to send our workers. Do you understand what win-win means?

 

[firegiver]

Oh boy, "Invaded another country and killed their leaders". What country are you talking about? Maduro is in a jail in NYC. "Venezuelan labor camps" I thought you were saying the Venezuelan's have things great and do not our financial investment. Labor camps don't sound so nice. the economic investments are great for Venezuelan workers and not as a place to send our workers. Do you understand what win-win means?

Listen, ill make an example in history and you can relate it to whats happened in Venezuela.

The 1953 coup in Iran removed Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh from power and restored Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as Iran’s leader. It took place in August 1953 and involved a U.S.- and U.K.-backed covert operation.

Background​

• The coup was a response to Mosaddegh's nationalization of Iran's oil industry in 1951, which threatened British interests.
• Initially, the U.S. under President Harry Truman was reluctant to intervene, but this changed with the election of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who supported the coup.

Consequences​

• The coup resulted in the establishment of a dictatorship under the Shah, which lasted until the Iranian Revolution in 1979.
• It is widely regarded as a pivotal moment that intensified anti-American sentiment in Iran and contributed to the rise of Islamic militancy in the region.

The 1953 coup remains a critical event in understanding U.S.-Iran relations and the historical context of Middle Eastern politics.


You could make the SAME ARGUMENT you are making now about Venezuela for the Iran coup.
Do you understand now, that I'm pointing out in this thread we keep making the same choices and pretending like we don't understand what the result could be.
Also, this is all by force, not a negotiation, we are behaving like terrorists.

 

[fatpiggy]

 

[Roswelllion]

Listen, ill make an example in history and you can relate it to whats happened in Venezuela.

The 1953 coup in Iran removed Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh from power and restored Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as Iran’s leader. It took place in August 1953 and involved a U.S.- and U.K.-backed covert operation.

Background​

• The coup was a response to Mosaddegh's nationalization of Iran's oil industry in 1951, which threatened British interests.
• Initially, the U.S. under President Harry Truman was reluctant to intervene, but this changed with the election of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who supported the coup.

Consequences​

• The coup resulted in the establishment of a dictatorship under the Shah, which lasted until the Iranian Revolution in 1979.
• It is widely regarded as a pivotal moment that intensified anti-American sentiment in Iran and contributed to the rise of Islamic militancy in the region.

The 1953 coup remains a critical event in understanding U.S.-Iran relations and the historical context of Middle Eastern politics.


You could make the SAME ARGUMENT you are making now about Venezuela for the Iran coup.
Do you understand now, that I'm pointing out in this thread we keep making the same choices and pretending like we don't understand what the result could be.
Also, this is all by force, not a negotiation, we are behaving like terrorists.

Well that is actually interesting stuff. I harbor no illusions that there will remain a group of Venezuelan's [happening already] that feel they are being invaded. [after all they have been socialist/communist for 20+ years. ] However what you didn't say was, although Pahlavi was a dictator in those 26 YEARS Iran was clearly the mid east leader in standard of living, freedom of expression and basic human rights.
Also in the 20+ years of Chavez and Maduro Venezuela went from the richest South American country to the poorest, so i contend this can be good for both countries right now and still in 15-20 years the socialists/communists take control back and throw us out. The only difference is in Venezuela it is mostly an economic argument where is the mid east it is a religous/ideaology argument which is much harder to reconcile

 

[firegiver]

Well that is actually interesting stuff. I harbor no illusions that there will remain a group of Venezuelan's [happening already] that feel they are being invaded. [after all they have been socialist/communist for 20+ years. ] However what you didn't say was, although Pahlavi was a dictator in those 26 YEARS Iran was clearly the mid east leader in standard of living, freedom of expression and basic human rights.
Also in the 20+ years of Chavez and Maduro Venezuela went from the richest South American country to the poorest, so i contend this can be good for both countries right now and still in 15-20 years the socialists/communists take control back and throw us out. The only difference is in Venezuela it is mostly an economic argument where is the mid east it is a religous/ideaology argument which is much harder to reconcile

The leading causes of the Iranian Revolution in 1979 included widespread dissatisfaction with the Shah's autocratic rule, economic mismanagement, and resentment towards foreign influence, particularly from the West. Additionally, the revolution was fueled by a unifying response to social injustices and the Shah's oppressive policies.